Rumors, half truths, lies and facts.......oh my.

[BooScout]

I see quite a few posts here that are all but declaring an Obama Victory for the White House. Folks this is just starting.

In 1992 the other Clinton didn't win a primary until he got to Georgia......and before he got there a hell of a lot of mud had been slung.

I'm thinking people had better strap in and hang on because something tells me things are going to get very interesting (and quite likely very ugly) over the coming weeks. Rumors and half truths are going to fly about the candidates from all sides. Deals are going to be struck and souls are going to be sold. From what I am reading this is already happening.

My biggest hope is that whoever comes out the winner in the end will unite the Democrats nationwide and at least make an effort at repairing the damage that the son of a bitch currently in the White House has done to America and the rest of the world.

Super Tuesday is a month off...........let's try and not kill each other before then shall we?

[Lex]

1. There is a loooong way to go for the candidates.

It'll be a bumpy ride here at DU too.

[midnight]

2. Good advice and good information. How far away was the

Georgia primary from the Iowa?

[BooScout]

3. Clinton lost....

(I thnk) 5 primaries before he won Georgia.

[HeraldSquare212]

4. self-delete - incomplete reasoning

[Mike03]

5. I imagine everyone knows this, but what is the harm in just

appreciating what happened last night?

Obama, Edwards and Clinton made remarkable speeches that reminded me why I should not completely abandon hope politically.

Huckabee made an ass of himself.

A state that is something like 95% Caucasion said to the world that they hope an African American man becomes the leader of the free world.

What is to complain about?

Yes, the battle is to come, but for god's sake, can we please just take a moment... a second... four days... to just be proud of what happened last night???

[BooScout]

6. Uh did someone poop in your wheaties?

Pardon me but I didn't know that you were the self appointed post police. :eyes:

[TheMadMonk]

10. Someone obviously shat in yours.

Positive happenings and you feel the need to piss and moan and tell us all what we already knows.

The Republicans will do what the republicans have done for years and dish dirt both real and manufactured.

And for a large part the Democratics won't be all that much better. "Rogue operatives and slips of the tongue will put the dirt (or a hint of it) out and then with an apology, a distancing step backwards and possibly a staffer "let go", they wait for the RW smear machine finish the task.

[BooScout]

11. Get a grip .....and read a few posts on here.....

A lot of the posts on this forum are nasty and negative and full of attacks based on a lot of bullshit.

....Obama the backstabber.
Clinton surrogate calls Obamaa "Boy"

and then open some threads.........a deal with Richardson, race cards, a deal with Edwards, a deal with Clinton, a Deal with Obama.

I am sick of the shit coming from all sides.....Pardon me if you are dancing a happy dance. I'll post whatever the fuck I want. Take a chill pill.

[TheMadMonk]

12. Mate, I've read more than a few posts...

...damned near enough for me to want to go bursar and totally librarian poo on damned near the whole lot of you.

Democratics' worst enemies are not Republicans, but each other. Just coming out and saying "The shit is just beginning" adds nothing to the conversation without coming out and saying exactly why?

You obviously agree (at least in part) with my observation: "And for a large part the Democratics won't be all that much better. "Rogue operatives and slips of the tongue will put the dirt (or a hint of it) out and then with an apology, a distancing step backwards and possibly a staffer "let go", they wait for the RW smear machine finish the task."


It is my not at all humble opinion that the "average American" deserves the fucking government he gives himself. The problem is that we, in the rest of the world, FUCKING WELL DON'T DESERVE what said "average American" inflicts upon us with his greed, bigotry and xenophobia.


Obama's not gay friendly enough for (generic DU) you? So fucking what? He's still a damned sight better than the alternative on the other side of the aisle. He's not exactly the guy who you'd want to vote for? Again, so fucking what? He most definitely opposes an arsehole you certainly should want to vote against.

Hillary "speaks" to you in a way that makes you feel privileged/superior? WOAH! BACK UP! She's also speaking to the bit of you that puts others beneath you. She speaks loudest to those who have never had to depend on "government handouts" and thus feel that they should not be required to contribute to those who have needed that safety net.

Kucinich is too idealistic and out of touch with the real world? Is he really? I see a bloke who acknowledges the real real world and promotes that which is guaranteed to ensure that the world will still be there for our children to enjoy rather than endure. Everyone else seems hell bent on either, squeezing out the last cent of profit; or at best shooting for the minimum possible compromise with reality.

Edwards? I don't know. My biggest worry is that he hasn't really managed to piss anyone off significantly. He's everyone's second choice candidate. And in politics, if you don't have enemies, you obviously aren't doing enough. The danger here is that if the numbers do come in in his favour, he'll finally come down on the side which is most personally advantageous and that unfortunately is probably the one that is not advantageous to the majority. I might be doing the man a complete disservice, but when betting on human nature, it pays to bet that arseholery will prevail.


This is the true grist (at least IMHO) of a great deal of what gets said here ad nauseum and ad infinitum.

O.K. Acknowledged.

Now what the fuck are we going to do about it?

Bashing each other's candidates, except on ground of demonstrable malfeasance is utterly counterproductive. It divides our ranks and offer (at least the hope of) victory to our mutual enemies.

My personal thought, given the non-viability of the only true realist in the pack, is to ignore politics entirely.

Which candidate's children are going to be the ones most adversely affected by future wrong headed decisions?

THAT CANDIDATE is the one we should all get behind, regardless of how closely they come to fitting our personal political ideals, or how far they stray.

So simple. One simple question raised each time a piece of "controversial" legislation comes up: "How will this affect your children's generation?"

Who is most likely to feel a kick in the gut, every time that question gets asked of them?

Who thus will be most manipulable by the voice which speaks for all, rather than just the privileged few?

Hint: Who's children can not yet vote?

[damntexdem]

7. The importance of Iowa this year was in giving "surprises" --

although they were anticipated ones.

IA and NH surprises are important because they can derail "the inevitable candidate," so that the field gets to the later super primaries. That clearly happened to HRC in Iowa. That's not to say who might ultimately win. What's imporant is that it will continue as a horse race.

[Bitwit1234]

8. We all know that Obama's Lama's Traumas know

he'll never win the south and the midwest, California, and New York and Minnesota and Michigan and Wisconsin so what's left to win. The red states are never gonna vote for him...and we know how he won Iowa.

[OzarkDem]

9. Don't forget Carville and Matalin are campaigning on both sides

I assume there are back room deals are being brokered, possibly by both sides. Those in power realize they can't buy this Dem primary by supporting Hillary and Obama alone.

Primary season is a long process with many surprises along the way. Edwards showing last night proves that all the corporate money in the world isn't going to make a difference and that makes him very dangerous to DC insiders of both parties.

Its rather disconcerting given the shoddy, unprincipled leadership Dems currently have inside the DC bubble. They're very likely to cut some deals, even with the GOP.