Hillary and Edwards will hit 9/11 hard because national defense is Obama's achilles heel

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Hillary started this strategy today by saying "we have people plotting against us" and so did Edwards by saying he's a fighter and Obama is a "lover."

Competence is her strongest point. She's going to try to paint Obama as a lightweight and Edwards will pile on too. Should be an interesting debate.

[ccpup]

what's a "murkin"?

:evilgrin:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Right. In other words, it's race baiting.

Some people think that "Hussein" Obama is a dirty arab muslims, who was trained by Al Qaeda overseas, and therefore soft on security.

Therefore, they can play to these races and maybe catch up with Obama.

I suspect Edwards has more class, but Clinton doesn't. She's already started.

[ingac70]

4. Exactly. n/t.

[JuniperLea]

7. I hope to Goddess that Edwards has more class...

Hillary just shot herself in the foot.

[aquart]

14. So Obama is untouchable as well as inevitable?

In what areas ARE we allowed to criticize his rock star ass?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Try valid areas.

If you haven't got any valid reasons, then shut the fuck up.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

24. Well you can repeat "Donnie McClurkin" ad nauseum, for one. nt

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. Uh I was talking about experience, not race. Is this what we can look forward to?

Obama isn't playing the race card.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. That's right, he isn't.

Clinton is.

[ingac70]

2. Everybody is tired of...

those that try to surf to victory in the blood of 9-11 victims....

[YOY]

3. Look how well it's worked for Rudy!

Are you serious? You do realize fear mongering is not what good Dems do...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. Clinton and Edwards are stale

Obama is tough on Homeland Security.

[harmonicon]

25. homeland security? You have got to be kidding me.

Why should we lower ourselves to using this right-wing propaganda term? The only position I want anyone to have on "homeland security" is one of abolishing the term and idea from our government, politics and culture - it is poison.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

28. I agree with abolishing the 1940s German term but

We have to call it something - our country's home defense is as important but the people's rights are just as important. More important than prancing around Iraq mutilating 100s of 1000s of Iraqi people for oil.

[harmonicon]

31. don't we already have a defense department? nt.

[tritsofme]

6. I don't know what Edwards brings to the national security table that Obama doesn't.

Hillary has something of a leg up on both of them, but only slightly more substantial IMO.

[RL3AO]

8. Obama is already a step ahead of them.

From his speech last night:

And I'll be a president who ends this war in Iraq and finally brings our troops home...

(APPLAUSE)

... who restores our moral standing, who understands that 9/11 is not a way to scare up votes but a challenge that should unite America and the world against the common threats of the 21st century.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. Maybe they should invite Rudy "A people perverted" Giuliani to join them.

And then they can have a cirlce-jerk and shit on non-Christians together.

[Wizard777]

10. She's playing the fear card. Give me my way or terrosist will kill us all!

We've had enough of that shit from Bush.

[MADem]

11. I doubt that. Nahn Wun Wun is a GOP talking point.

The Dems talk about strong and sensible national security, but they don't play the fear or terrah card, any of them.

If they want to draw contrasts about approaches to national security, fine, but I can't see them wagging their fingers at Obama about Nahn Wun Wun. He had nothing to do with it--he was barely a national figure when that happened, and had no national role yet.

It would be as dumb as blaming Fred Thompson for the death of Abraham Lincoln--after all, Fred and John Wilkes Booth were both actors!

[emulatorloo]

12. Doubt this will be Edwards strategy -- see this quote:

AP story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3952703

<SNIP>

Saying he had faced two well-funded "celebrity candidates" in Iowa, Edwards said he is not the candidate of money, glitz or glamor, but instead "the people's candidate."

"I am the candidate who will fight with every fiber of my being, every single step of the way, for you, for your children and for your grandchildren," he said to cheers from an audience that included more campaign workers than ordinary voters, and many non-New Hampshire residents.

<SNIP>


---
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/edwards_new_strategy_against_obama_who_can_best_deliver_change_a_lover_or_a_fighter.php

<SNIP>

Today in New Hampshire he {Edwards} employed a contrast with Obama that we haven't heard before:

"I am not the candidate of glitz; I am not the candidate of glamor," Edwards said. "I am the candidate who will fight with every fiber of my being every step of the way."

Edwards' approach now is to cast yesterday's results as simply a Hillary loss and a victory for an abstract desire for change, rather than a victory for Obama, as well as casting the rest of the contest as a head-to-head battle between himself and Obama for that change mantle. Hillary has been airbrushed from the picture, in Edwards' telling.

And as the above references to "glitz" and "glamor" suggest, Edwards wants this contest with Obama to shape up as, "Who can best deliver change -- a lover or a fighter?"

<SNIP>]

[Terran]

13. A lack of defense experience is hardly an achilles heel

Most of our recent presidents, except for Poppy Bush, have been state governors with no national experience whatsoever, much less defense experience. Being in the US Senate for a few years is a lot more experience than any of them had, and Clinton and Obama are essentially equal in that regards (I don't view HRC's status as 'First Lady' as being "experience").

[lateo]

16. Please.

I'm no fan of Obama but Hillary has no room to talk in this area. Competence is her strongest point? If that is the case she is toast.

[lapfog_1]

17. Democrats should NOT stoop to the politics of fear. - n/t

[mmonk]

19. There's a difference between defense of a nation

and our defense industry and now new security industry and their lobbyists. I vote no more power to these industries, their think tanks, and all their garbage that got us where we are today.

[dailykoff]

20. Obama's achilles heel?

From a senator of NEW YORK WHO'S DONE NOTHING LIE ABOUT 911 FOR SIX YEARS?

Please.

[RC]

21. 9/11 is bu$h's baby. Hooking to that is suicide.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. They can go right ahead. Their response to 9-11 was to give Dumbya everything he wanted. nt

[harmonicon]

26. exactly

Let them remind the nation of their hawkish rhetoric regarding Iran before it was revealed they had no nuclear capacity, compared to Obama's stated willingness to negotiate with supposed "enemies". I personally don't think we need a president who's "security" credentials boil down to flying off at the handle. I'm not crazy about Obama either, but in this one regard, he beats HC and JO hands down.

[Zodiak]

27. There is very little that disgusts Democrats more than

fearmongering nowadays....after being cast as traitors by *Co for so long, those have become fighting words for us. Clinton is welcome to go there so she can end up in the dustbin with Ghouliani.

I'm all for the DLC darling hoisting herself on her own petard.

[PervezClinton]

29. She's a fearmongerer.

[sniffa]

30. so they're going to run the Ghouliani campaign?

good luck with that. :thumbsup: