"Real Progressives" know they've thrown us "Under the Bus." We Know...

[KoKo]

and Obama dissing us...lawsuits against the DNC and all the other crap thrown at us when Libby was Pardoned and Congress (who promised us Election Reform and to start Impeachment Investigations) has now left us out hanging on a limb.

When Pelosi complained about "Code Pink Campeouts" on her SF LAWN and said they were hanging "underwear on her trees and wearing "Impeach Cheney T-Shirts" while doing it...but she thought they might have too much freedom with her as Speaker...WE KNEW...THE Dem PARTY cares NOTHING about their ACTIVISTS!

The ones who kept the Voting Machine Fraud (Diebold/ESS..etc Machines) hidden while Net Roots Researchers and Professor Mark Crispin Miller and Bobby Kennedy, jr. railed on about how Gore and Kerry had the WINNING ELECTION SNATCHED OUT FROM UNDER THEM!

On and On...we are PROMISED but they DO NOT DELIVER...

AND...If we find a CANDIDATE WE CAN SUPPORT like Kucinich we are "laughed at" as picking an Unelectable!

Al Gore isn't running...Dennis Kucinich is still out there after Iowa.

Can anyone HERE ON DU, vote THEIR CONSCIENCE with a "WRITE IN CANDIDATE?" Would it be for the GOOD OF THE DEM PARTY to know we can STRIKE BACK if they Don't LISTEN once again? :shrug:

edited for typo's...and such..

[papau]

1. cutting ones throat rarely leads to a better life-Dropping out to harass Dems depends on if GOP $'s

being paid meets your required price to be a whore

[UndertheOcean]

2. We can vote our conscious , in fact we must , but the hard truth

is that our numbers (us 'real progressives , whatever that means)have not reached critical mass in American society.

And as long as the loudest ideas are the ones backed by cash , any hope for change is minuscule.

[KoKo]

4. When have Dem Progressives..."Cut their Throat?" They've ALWAYS COMPROMISED

and what candidates did it get us... Think about Carter and Clinton who promised so much...so much...and what happened? :shrug:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

3. As one with tire marks

I feel like Kucinich has backed up over me a couple of times.

He was my guy - you can research my posts and prove it if you feel like it.

So, why did Mr. Most Progressive say that he would consider a run with the most reactionary, Social Darwinsist, anarchist out there - Ron Paul?! What was that about? If it was sincere, it was insane. If it was not sincere, I don't even have a word to describe it.

And, now, why has he urged his followers to vote for one of the least Progressive ( in my opinion) candidates?

I am starting to wonder if it isn't all just a Kabuki theater with people playing their pre-ordained roles.

[KoKo]

5. Just remember Kucinich wants Iowa and NH to be "three way races" and

he doesn't want Hillary...so he goes with the "second, Obama" with hopes Edwards wins and the others get 2 and 3 and it keeps HIM ALIVE along with hopes for a longer race ...so that IW and NH aren't the DECIDERS! Kucinich was thrown out of it by MSCorporate Media who never liked him...he's an "unelectable Elf who wan'ts to IMPEACH CHENEY/BUSH! So Kucinich has to play a political game since they've declared him a "Loser" he needs to keep his message out longer that Iowa and NH.

That's what I think he was doing. And even the most ardent Hillary or Obama DU'ers wouldn't want IW and NH to end the race when so many states and DU'ers in those states haven't had a chance to caset a vote...would ya think? :shrug:

[saracat]

8. I will not forgive him for potentially negatively effecting an Edwards victory in Iowa.

His "message " is not so important to keep alive that it potentially foists us with HRC in the WH.Edwards is doing a great job and carrying the progressive message with courage.This was just self serving and mean spirited.I never expected it of Dennis.

[slipslidingaway]

21. A possible reason for Kucinich mentioning Ron Paul

"THE Single Most Important Issue Facing This Country- And None Of Them Will Touch It

Hyper-Militarism"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2577021


Kucinich and Paul part company when it comes to domestic issues, but they both believe our foreign policy needs a serious overhaul. Paul challenges the MIC unlike many in our own party.

:shrug:


Ron Paul on CNN yesterday speaking of our military spending, I'll vote for Dennis because I also agree with his domestic policies, yet realize we cannot continue to spend money overseas and at the same time provide for our citizens at home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ce0y6PqIU

[bonito]

6. Yes we can organize an independent party

That reflected the democratic party before they were bought out by foreign interest(aipac) colluding with the military industry complex for profit, treason.

They have ruined our economy, our standing in the world, taken the lives of our sons an daughters.

Oh sure they have set up homeland security for our protection and at the cost of our constitution.

One day they will be seen for their involvement in our foreign policy, but they are wrong as hitler ever was.

[mdmc]

7. we will have our day one day my friend

:patriot:solidarity

[bobbolink]

9. Maybe true... but how many will be DEAD by then?

Killed either in stoooopid wars, or from ugly, grinding poverty?

[morgan2]

10. vote for a third party

[Individualist]

11. I can and will vote my conscience

I'll write in DK.

[comradebillyboy]

12. ever consider DU is not very representative

of the Democratic party? maybe the 'progressives' should start their own party and see if they can get elected to any office. Don't just start at the top, where you only help repukes. Build your own party from the ground up, unlike the greens or naderites. Make a real party, be something more than republican enabling spoilers who snivel and whine cuz your guy can't get enough dem support to be nominated and then pout and help the puke candidate. here in New Mexico the repukes were bankrolling the green party in the last election to split the so called progressives off from the mainstream democrats. and the greens were happy to take their money, even knowing they were just being used.

[dysfunctional press]

22. we already HAVE a party- but it's been corrupted from within by blue-dogs and corporatists

what we really need to do is to take our party BACK.

unfortunately, we'll probably have to wait for the societal pendulum to swing back our way.

but it will. once enough shit has hit the fan, they'll look to us to clean up the mess- they always do.

[snot]

13. What do you think of this for a protest:

we encourage people to send to both good and bad reps letters along the lines of: I'm part of the vanishing middle class. I'm sending this check to you/< or your choice of a candidate more worth supporting> instead of buying my kids school supplies -- eating meat this month -- getting a mammogram even though I've noticed a new lump -- .

[Blue-Jay]

14. I wouldn't like people putting their nasty underpants in my trees either.

[pamela]

15. If Hillary is the nominee, I'm writing in Gore.

I definitely think it would be for the good of the party to strike if she is the nominee. I'd probably vote for Obama though, although his pandering to the right is starting to frustrate me.

Edwards is still the best choice, if we want a Progressive/Populist who can not only win the GE but strengthen the Democratic Party for years to come. That's important to me. I think Hillary will destroy the Democratic Party.

[Perry Logan]

16. I dream of a day when progressives do something besides screw things up for the Democrats.

This thread proves what I have long noted: progressives have completely forgotten who the real enemy is. In truth, they are scared shitless of The Big Bad Republicans, so they spend their entire careers striking blow after blow against their own party, thus helping strengthen the Republican cause.

They weaken the party with their divisive stunts...then yell at the Democrats when the party fails. It's like watching somebody punch himself in the face over and over and over.

[Tesha]

17. I dream of the day when Democrats do something besides screw things up for Progressives. (NT)

[Donnachaidh]

18. Hogwash!

*weaken the party* -- what complete TRIPE this is! The progressives keep the message on point. The democratic party has it's own version of sheep, and it's the progressives that keep them from goose-stepping along to the corporate whistle.

[Individualist]

23. I dream of the day when the subversive DLC is nothing more than a bad memory. nt

[bryant69]

19. I'm sure that at least one person will vote their conscience

I intend to vote my conscience; but I suspect my conscience is going to tell me something different than your conscience is going to tell you.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Le Taz Hot]

20. California will be solidly Democrat

but when Hillary gets shoved down our throats for the general (I fully expect this to happen), yeah, I'll be writing in a Democrat.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

24. 2008 -- my "tough love" year for the Dems.

Back in 2004, it just about killed me to vote for Kerry/Edwards in the general due to their bullshit about the IWR, but I completely understood the very real danger of allowing Bush and Co. another 4 years. I vowed then that 2008 would be my "tough love" year for the Dems -- I would be voting my concious, even if that meant writing in my Democratic choice in the general.

And I intend on honoring that promise to myself.