Bigger threat, Corporatism or Dominionism?

[Syrinx]

I would tend to say Corporatism (Fascism's kissing cousin), but Dominionism has been a useful idiot to the corporatists for a long while now, and may be feeling used. I'm hopeful that a messy and painful breakup is looming. Assuming that a breakup is imminent, which "philosophy" presents the greatest long-term threat to our country as a democratic republic, and a "free" country?

[tom_paine]

1. It will be difficult for the Dominionists to get Americans to swallow their evil without the

Corporatists and their knowledge of marketing, advertising, PR, and psychology to find a way to sell what is essentially Medevalism by "coming in the back door".

Dominionists, left to their own devices and without the assistance of the Rovain Corporatists, are snakes without heads. They have no delivery system and are reduced to Dobson/helps/Robertson medeval stupidity and naked cruelty.

However, in the wake of the coming Shocks to our system the Bushies are about to deliver, all bets are off. Together, they form the Lethal Union of Unscrupulous Lying Leaders and Gullible Conscienceless Unquestioning Followers that is the greatest threat to the American Experiment that we have ever not.

Not that these people haven't always existed, but they have never been put in mental harness, Nazi-style, on such a scale. Plus, the System of Checks and balances has never lain so completely prostrate and helpless to defend itself as it is now...

[Syrinx]

9. thanks tom_paine!

I've been following your posts since the earliest days of DU.

I was a year late joining up.

I joined about the time that I realized that we were being suckered.

Great luck to you. Keep getting the word out. I love you and all people like you!

[Perry Logan]

2. They've both got to be eradicated. That's for sure.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. Quite possibly dominionism, bcause...

without corporatism, you wouldn't have the computer, the phone or cable lines, or the electricity to post silly polls.

[Syrinx]

6. die corporate bastard :)

:hi:

[tom_paine]

18. TB, corporations are not corporatism, not by a long sight.

When business and corporations serve the people (and make a profit, too) it is not corporatism. Not even close.

It is indeed foolish, not that anyone here is saying that I think, to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" regarding corporations, business and capitalism in general.

The problem is, as it always is, and as the Founding Fathers foresaw, when one "faction" gains an inordinate amount of power, and doubly so if that power is unchecked.

It really started in 1886, with Corporate Personhood, and the Roosevelts, Teddy and Franklin, beat it back with "trust-busting" and the New Deal.

Apologies, but I strongly disagree with your oversimplification, which is more akin to what you would say to a squalling teenager who cries out, "All business is bad and evil!"

A squalling teenager, but not DUers (at least a vast majority of us, as I see it). I seriously doubt there are very many DUers with that kind of an immature "all or nothing" view of the matter.

I can only speak for myself personally, but I suspect I speak for a majoity of DUers when I say that it is not business or the corporation that is inherently bad. Like science, hammers, guns, and bi-cameral legislatures, corporations are just a kind of tool that humans have devised to more efficiently go from A to B, metaphorically-speaking.

What we do with the tool is not the result of the tool itself, but the hands that wield it.

As so, if you think corporatism in this context means any business/capitalism nywhere, I think you are very mistaken.

Corporatism refers to the New Totalitarianism, in which corporations and the wealthy are recreating some grotesque fusion of Nazi Germany, Imperial Rome, the Gilded Age, and Mussolini's Italy using the most powerful techniques of marketing, advertising and psychology humanity has ever seen to regress humanity back to a pre-1776 condition while leaving as many empty trappings of the post-1776 around for the same reason Caesar didn't raze the Roman Senate to the ground, but kept it around as a useless ceremonial organ.

[Bright Eyes]

4. Dominionists (not to be confused with Evangelicals) are too small in number

and most Americans would never go along with it.

Corporatism is ingrained in our culture, and many Americans could not envision a world without Corporations our their power over us.

So Corporatism is the bigger threat in the here and now. Dominionists need to be watched closely and made sure that their numbers and power do not grow.

[Syrinx]

7. Are you the REAL Bright Eyes?

If you are, I loved your brave performance on Leno a couple years ago.

If not, I like your screen name. :hi:

[Bright Eyes]

14. I wish!

I saw that performance though...really was something.

I don't know if it's against DU rules to plug a band, but Connor(the lead singer of Bright Eyes), is also in a band called Desaparecidos, plays political rock if you're interested ('Happiest Place on Earth' is a good one).

[HughBeaumont]

5. Corporatism. The unbridled kind.

Seriously, you want the root of almost all large-scale problems we face today, there you have it. Economy. War. Wealth inequality. Health care. Election fraud. No accountability. Waste. Consumption. Environmental destruction. Media with a Republican, pro-corporate message. All education issues. Mainstream culture that gets more vapid and empty-headed by the year.

It all comes back to unbridled corporatism. We have a government dictated by the corporations, for the corporations that benefits solely the wealthy that run them and that shit has to stop at ONCE.

That's why I'm all about Edwards/Biden/Obama, heavy towards Edwards. Someone needs to stop throwing blank checks at Big (Insert Sector Here). They had their gravy train under the whiskey-button-pusher Failure Fuhrer. That's OVER. Enough is enough.

[marmar]

8. Corporatism. Dominionists are the Corporatists' useful idiots.

n/t

[Zynx]

10. Corporatism is a real and present danger. Dominionism is only a potential threat.

[Syrinx]

11. most excellent point

Thanks!

[Political Heretic]

12. Corporatism without any question!

[The2ndWheel]

13. "I'm hopeful that a messy and painful breakup is looming."

As long as we have the energy required to do it, if anything, those two isms, along with the state, will become the same thing. They won't break up, they'll merge. All forms of organization dislike diversity, so they either destroy what isn't like itself, or they integrate the other into what they're already doing.

[lonestarnot]

15. Ah yes the art of exercise cooption.

[The Stranger]

16. The Dominionists control the Sheeple.

The people were able to combat the corporations for a century -- until the arrival of the Dominionists, who sell the Jesus Brand that turns the people to sheeple. They swallow corporatism whole, without question, under the Jesus Brand.

[ladjf]

17. Both are serious threats to America's best interests. (nt)

[Kucinich4America]

19. Definitely corporatism

Dominionism is nothing without corporatism backing it up. But the two combined can be scary. No doubt there were those in Germany who believed Hitler's promise of a "thousand year reich" was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy (although it would have been a gross misinterpretation, since that millennial reign can only be brought about by Christ Himself)