If Hillary gets the nomination, I will vote for her and I will work for her

[LuckyTheDog]

Is H. Clinton a perfect candidate? Far from it. Is she my favorite candidate? Hardly. I have been a supporter of Obama from the beginning and remain one.

But the stakes are too high. Turning the White House over to the GOP yet again is too risky. I honestly believe that our republic is at stake here. And I would rather have a flawed Democrat in office than any Republican.

I think those who say they could never vote for H. Clinton are naive about what the Republican Party has become. I don't think we can afford to have another president from party devoted to growing authoritarianism and unchecked corporate power. We are staring in the face of having a kind of soft fascism emerge before our eyes. And the only thing that might stop it is the election of a Democratic president and an expansion of the Democratic majority in Congress.

That is why, despite what I see as her flaws as a candidate, I will vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. Furthermore, I will give her money and a will wear out shoe leather getting out the vote for her.

I hope that all Democrats unite behind whoever gets the nomination next year... even if it is Hillary. Our way of life could be at risk if we do not.

We need not only to defeat the Republicans, but to destroy them. Our goal should be nothing less than sending the GOP off to join the Whigs in the dustbin of history.

(edited for spelling)

[melody]

1. well said :) n/t

[alfredo]

2. I will. Any Democrat running is more trustworthy and competent

than anything out of the Republicans.

[comradebillyboy]

4. agree nt

[alfredo]

7. We have to stick together.

BTW, what the fuck happened to Dallas? They've fallen apart. Hate to see that even though I am not a fan.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Same here, but only because we can't afford another a-hole, I mean, Republican. nt

[donheld]

5. I will too

We MUST win this.

[Olney Blue]

6. I agree with you.

[Pastiche423]

8. I won't

[Wesin04]

9. Finally, a sensible comment

I've been very disturbed to read some of the hate-filled comments written on DU by supposed Democrats against other Democrats. It seems that many have lost focus on exactly who has wrought havoc upon our country and our standing in the world. The one sure way to hand it back to a Romney, a Huckabee, McCain or Guiliani is to get your panties in a wad because your candidate doesn't win, and walk away to pout. Any of our Democratic candidates is miles above any of the Republicans that are running. Many of the comments have sounded like the Right Wingers have infiltrated a Democratic blog-they must get a blast out of reading these mean-spirited, hateful words.

I will work for and vote for the nominee. It will not teach any lessons to walk away and let them win again. Our nation couldn't stand another 4 years of Republican control.

[BeHereNow]

13. Your logic would stand IF...

Hillary were a democrat.
She is not.
She is a global elite corporatist.
End of debate.
BHN

[2hip]

23. WORD! n/t

        Edwards '08 tees!

[BeHereNow]

39. Welcome to DU...

Try not to let the number of people who still
do not "get it" discourage you.
Plenty of us see perfectly clearly.
BHN

[MiniMe]

42. Its all about the Supreme Court

I will work for any Dem that gets the nomination, and that includes HRC. I don't think that Ginsburg and Stevens can last through another administration, and if a republican gets to replace them we are all totally screwed. At least HRC would nominate justices that are acceptable to the dems.

[annie1]

80. i will be so fucking pissed if people let huckabee and mccain pick away...

at my reproductive freedoms. i will be pissed as fucking hell.

[leftchick]

51. yep!

a neocon in dem clothing.

[annie1]

79. she votes the same as most of the democrats in congress, how is she not a democrat?

she is completely run of the mill at worst.

[Popol Vuh]

40. I am not for Hillary no matter what becuse she's not a true Dem....

It seems that many have lost focus on exactly who has wrought havoc upon our country and our standing in the world.

And if the candidate who's received the most campaign money from the defense industry/military industrial complex and who talks out both sides of her mouth with respect to Iraq, and, has made it clear in no uncertain terms that she adopts the traditionally un-American policy of preemptive attack when discussing Iran. If she wins what will the Hillary bots say then? Will they deny they were Hillary bots? Will they do the same as the freeper Bushco bots do and bend over backwards making justifications for her?

I am sorry but when I see Hillary I am not fooled by her rhetoric or the fact that she puts on a (D) armband. I see the same example of the video "Mouse land" with Hillary being one of the "cats" giving lip service to us mice.

[sallyseven]

55. Get over yourself. What makes you the smartest person

in the world. If she is the nominee then vote or not vote for her. Then spend the next four years watching the country go down the tubes and the savage republicans take over.

[Popol Vuh]

63. You miss the point entirely

Here, since you're going to assign me as the smartest person in the world please allow me to spell it out for you. If she's the one in office and it was apparent she was being sponsored by the very same people bringing "the country down the tubes", and, the very same people who seek to make billions off military actions.

I am sorry, but, I will not be a party to voting for a pseudo democrat who's obviously not going to pull out of Iraq and allow them to create their government how they see fit - I will not vote for more killing. I am sorry, but, I will not be a party to voting for a pseudo democrat who's comments are aligned with the traditionally un-American Bushco Doctrine of preemptive attack - I will not vote for more killing. I am sorry, but, I will not be a party to voting for a pseudo democrat who's obviously not going to do anything about the middle-class wrecking policies such as NAFTA and other like transnational so-called free-trade agreements - I will not vote against my union or poor and middle classes. I am sorry, but, I will not be a party to voting for a pseudo democrat who I guarantee you will sign the renewal for such constitution wrecking legislation like the patriot act - I will not vote against the constitution.

I will however vote for the one person who I've seen over the years be consistent enough to show he's there for the constitution, the working class, against preemptive attacks and constitution wrecking legislation which is why he's been so marginalized in our corporate media - I will vote in the primaries for Dennis Kucinich. Of course if by some miracle he won the primaries of course I'd vote for him main election.

So, you go ahead and vote for a pseudo democrat that's your prerogative. But as for me I will refrain from voting for an individual who I see, by her own words and actions during this campaign, is nothing but a republican in democrat's clothes.

[niceypoo]

64. What is a true Dem?

My mother is a conservative Democrat who goes to church every week and she has voted democratic for 50 years. Does this mean that she isn't a, "true Dem?" What is a true Dem, Someone who agrees with you on everything? You engage in name calling in your post and weaken your own argument with attacks ad hominim, do true Dem's rely on ad hominim attacks? I would say not. Does this mean your not a true Dem? Get over yourself.

[Popol Vuh]

66. So what you're saying..

Is that just because someone puts on a Dem armband that makes them a democrat and you'll stand by them no matter what? Pretty narrow minded, no insult intended.

A true Dem wouldn't adopt Repub big business policies that hurt the working class. A true Dem wouldn't adopt the Bushco Doctrine of drop bombs first then attempt to verify latter. A liberal Dem would never inflict upon the constitution such legislation as the patriot act. A true Dem is not a Republican wearing Democrat clothing.

You get over it. You're supporting big business, military industrial complex status quo but don't have the common sense to realize it. n/t

[Yuugal]

78. Mouse Land it is

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EWKsR0gugww

"Tommy Douglas, reknown as the Greatest Canadian, tells the story of "mouseland"

In this story the mice in the land elect cats into public office. When unhappy with the performance of the Black cats, they vote them out and elect white cats. When the white cats fail the mice. They vote some white and black cats to try and do a better job, calling it a "coalition". Then when that doesn't work, one mouse gets the notion, "why not elect a mouse into office?"
They call the mouse a bolshivek and lock him up. But... you can't lock up an idea. And in the case of Tommy Douglas, he was elected into office, founded the Canadian national health care system, and became known as the greatest Canadian of all time."

[Popol Vuh]

87. Re: "Mouseland"

Thanks Yuugal, I am glad someone who responds can see through the rhetoric of the Cat named Hillary. She's a cat and is heavily sponsored by Big Fat Cats and her imitation mouse language isn't convincing.

:toast:

[sendero]

48. Oh the hate!

If you are intelligent enough to see the gross mendacity, the utter duplicity, the absolute inability to take any kind of stand on anything of importance, the intention to carry on in Iraq indefinitely, then you are a HATER!

HRC is no better than say, McCain, who pisses me off all the time but will at least take a fucking stand.

Some days I think I'll vote for her and then she opens her mouth and says yet another unbelievable thing.

Folks can call it hate if they want, it's the same thing I feel when I hear Bush open his yak. It's sleazy doubletalk and I've heard it for 7 years and I'm not interested in more of it from either party.

[johncoby2]

10. I like Hillary, but if Obama or Edwards get the nod from you guys....

I will support 100%!!!!!!!

We have GREAT candidates. Everyone of them (except for Gravel).

My favorite is Hillary.

[Mojambo]

11. I might vote for her, but I would NEVER work for her or advocate strongly for her. n/t

[yellowdogintexas]

12. thank you thank you and reverse is true for me..I am for Edwards until we

have a nominee, then I'm with whomever that may be

[emilyg]

14. K&R

[UTUSN]

15. Me, too!1 Any Dem is better than ANY Rethug!!1 n/t

[ikojo]

46. So, when Joe LIEberman was a Democrat

he was better than a Republican? I'd rather have a real Republican, at least as a working class person I know and expect to get screwed. What right wing Democrats like the Clintons do is say they feel our pain but govern for the wealthy few.

Marching lock step will continue to get us candidates who are further and further to the right. I am tired of every election being about the Supreme Court! Abortion is not going to be made illegal! Oy vey! Not even Bush and the Republican controlled Congress did that.

We do not need an expansion of NAFTA or more outsourcing of jobs to lower wage countries. We will get both of these from a union supported Democrat like Hillary.

[HughBeaumont]

57. I'm thinking it's union LEADERS, not members that support her.

I have a hard time believing any union worker would get behind a free-trader, outsourcing-favoring corporate neo-lib like Hillary.

And you're right about the over-emphasis on the SCOTUS. Republicans would NEVER make abortion illegal for the sole reason that it's a continuous firebrand wedge issue with them to gain the Christian Right vote. Take that away, and how would you keep the Jesus Camp base coming back year after year? It's hilarious that this issue keeps them coming back, but they never question the real reason why they're wish never gets satisfied each election. They just blame the "godless libs". :rofl:

[MasonJar]

16. Whomever you dems choose I will back with money and effort. NO MORE

CRUMMY, REPUGNANT PUGS ever again...and that "ever" means "forever."

[superkia]

17. I think those who vote FOR H Clinton are naive about what she...

has become or has been and have chose to ignore the facts about her and what she has done. Very dangerous to blindly support someone the way so many do with Clinton.

[LuckyTheDog]

27. Perfection is NOT the standard

The standard is the alternative.

[Marr]

18. I won't vote for her, and I certainly won't volunteer for her.

I'm through voting for people who don't represent me. If the self-proclaimed "moderates" are correct, and people like myself are irrelevant, then my absence shouldn't matter one bit. If, on the other hand, we're important... well then, I suppose it'll be the party establishment's fault for trying to shove a corporate stooge like Hillary Clinton down our throats.

[OneBlueSky]

31. ditto . . . n/t

.

[Raine]

72. Same here nt

[Yuugal]

81. well put!

"well then, I suppose it'll be the party establishment's fault for trying to shove a corporate stooge like Hillary Clinton down our throats."

I couldn't agree more. If Shillary wins then they didn't need my vote. If Shillary loses they will provide a better candidate next time or lose again. Either way I'm not voting for corporatists anymore.

[demosincebirth]

19. Same here.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

20. 'Do it in the name of heaven,You can justify it in the end.'

My conscience won't let me vote for a candidate,any candidate-- who's a Democrat in name only! "Do it in the name of heaven,You can justify it in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowin' come the judgment day
on the bloody morning after.... one tin soldier rides away." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNTV8BC50ac Great song and something to think about!
;-)

[LuckyTheDog]

26. And when fascism comes

Will your conscience defend your liberty?

[DianaForRussFeingold]

36. Sadly,I do fear that a vote for Clinton, may be a vote in support of fascism!

I really hope Hillary will wake up 'like Edwards did'-- She could start by answering real questions.. We've already had too many years of 'not having to answer to anyone'...

Please, tell me how Senator Clinton Will keep us from becoming a fascist state?

Voting for the Patriot Act,reauthorizing the Patriot Act,the IWR,the Kyl/Lieberman amendment and every single thing Bush wanted, is not the way!


Oh, but she's learned. See Kyl-Lieberman for evidence of her growth...

[annie1]

83. Didn't everyone and their mother vote yay on the patriot act though?

[TheWatcher]

49. How will Hillary stop Fascism from coming.

It's already here.

She will not change that.

[LuckyTheDog]

67. If I thought that, I'd have left the country by now

But I don't. I don't think they have won yet. Not by a longshot.

[Yuugal]

85. Voting for corporate money candidates...

is voting for more of the same.

[cali]

50. lol!

ironic considering your screen name and pic. I hate to break it to you but, I can guarantee your political hero, Russ Feingold would think you an idiot. I can also guarantee that if she gets the nomination, something I hope doesn't happen, Feingold will work hard to get her elected. Some of us realize that we can't afford another repuke. And only a total moran doesn't realize that there are real and vital differences between Clinton and the repuke candidates.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

70. Hillary would have done well to have listened to Senator Feingold...

Instead,like some Republicans, she prefers former Democrat--Senator LieBerman...

Why do you feel the need to call fellow DUers, Idiot or moron? :(
I'm here to learn all I can... I hope I still have the right to speak and voice my opinion. Also, I really want to know other DUers' opinions..I want us to nominate the best! What's wrong with that?

Since you think me an idiot-- Here's Senator Feingold - October 12, 2001. --He explains my concerns--much more eloquently than I.....

--- "We must maintain our vigilance to preserve our laws and our basic rights."

"You and I have a duty to analyze, to test, to weigh new laws that the zealous and often sincere advocates of security would suggest to us. This is what I have tried to do with the so-called anti-terrorism bill."

"Protecting the safety of the American people is a solemn duty of the Congress; we must work tirelessly to prevent more tragedies like the devastating attacks of September 11th. We must prevent more children from losing their mothers, more wives from losing their husbands, and more firefighters from losing their brave and heroic colleagues."

" But the Congress will fulfill its duty only when it protects both the American people and the freedoms at the foundation of American society. So let us preserve our heritage of basic rights. Let us practice that liberty."

" And let us fight to maintain that freedom that we call America." :pals:

http://www.archipelago.org/vol6-2/feingold.htm

[Greyhound]

21. Idiot frat boy is gone. The ruling class shills in Congress have assured that there will

be no consequences for destroying the country. The SCOTUS is lost, and this may come as a shock to you whom have not felt the consequences personally yet, but your cherished way of life is already over.

So, just how would she be any different than the corporate appointee with the 'R' after their name?

[DianaForRussFeingold]

24. I agree, No difference, It's all choreographed and she's an extension of the Bush administration

:scared: If not,then WHY?.. Why would she vote for the Kyl-Lieberman bill? Clinton's words are one thing but her actions are another-- and they have led to this... choreographed all along!

[annie1]

82. what do you mean by scotus is lost? thanks

[2hip]

22. A vote for Hillary?

For me it would be tantamont to enabling the Dark Side since I see her as nothing more than Bush-lite.




        Edwards '08 tees!

[lvx35]

25. I agree. What's the WORST that can happen?

The worst that can happen is we go from a bumbling clumsy frat boy emperor saying "nukular" to an eloquent charismatic and charming empress. That's the worst case.

[JTFrog]

28. Nice bubble you live in.

She voted for IWR.
She voted for Kyl-Leiberman.
She voted for the Patriot Act.
She receives the lions share of all corporate and lobbyist donations.

And that's the best you can come up with for the worst that can happen? JFC I wish I could have that kind of cognitive dissonance. It just makes life so much easier.

[lvx35]

35. An Empress iS the worst that can happen.

An elected official with a few bad votes under her belt is not.

[JTFrog]

44. "A few bad votes."

1 - Trampled Natural Wonder of the World
3,902 - Dead Americans
150 + - Dead by Self Inflicted wounds
60-100,000 Wounded Americans
1,000,000+ Dead Iraqis
65,000,000 Targeted next in Iran


0 - Deaths by Video Game pixels
0 - Woodstock Memorials
0 - Restorations to the Constitution
0 - Single Payer Health Care Plans
0 - Support for Domestic Jobs

If by Empress you mean "female ruler of an EMPIRE", I cannot disagree that that is her ambition. But to try to equate eloquent, charming or charismatic with the results of those "few bad votes" is beyond my grasp.

(*edit Iraq to Iran)

[TheWatcher]

52. I believe in Germany in the early 1930's it was called "superior indifference"

They Thought They Were Free.

Apparently so do We.

And if you think you are horrified now, wait until the mask comes off, and marvel at how many Americans will still believe they are.

[indimuse]

29. GO HILLARY!

:yourock:

[WillyT]

30. Let's Just Hope It Doesn't Come To That

:evilgrin:

[JamesA1102]

32. No one should feel compled to work or vote for a candidate they don't believe in.

Nor if they are a Democrat should they actively trash the chosen nomimee because they don't like that person. If they want to stay away from the polls or vote for a third party candidate, that is their right. But they also need to take responsibility for their actions if it swings the election to the GOP.

[onehandle]

33. "I support the 2008 Democratic Presidential Nominee."

I quote my own signature.

[TheWatcher]

53. And To The Failed Empire For Which It Stands.....

[AnnInLa]

34. Me Too, and

I will not have to hold my nose to vote for her. Altho she is not my first choice, she is the one who can fight fire with fire. Every time the Republics find themselves in a potentially losing situation, they start calling for bipartisanship. Does anyone seriously think the current crop of Republics would be bipartisan if they took the presidency and/or the Congress? Please. As long as extremist Republics control each branch of our government, they will continue to try to make the Dems a permanent minority/token party. Clinton will know how to fight these Republic extremists, and they will fight her every step of the way, as they would do to Obama and Edwards as well. As much as I respect Obama's message, I think his call for bipartisanship and unity and change....will only give openings to the Republic extremists to continue to try to defeat the Dems at every opportunity. So, if it is Clinton, they I will proudly work for her and vote for her, and support what she does as President.

[paulk]

37. I will vote for and support in any way I can whichever

Democrat wins the nomination.

And all the naysayers who've shit on this thread can go fuck themselves...

[Fading Captain]

38. Obama and Hillary stand for corporate profits

Of course you'd switch. They're just the Dems' glammed up media stars who offer nothing of substance.

You don't seem to get what America's real problem is.

John Edwards does.

Corporate power has overwhelmed democracy.

Hillary and Obama are talking in silly generalities about change and doing better and hope, but they never address what we're up against.

[B Calm]

41. She's probably the only candidate that will keep me home on election day.

Not saying I would stay home, but I would have to really push myself to go vote for her.

[MiniMe]

43. Its all about the Supreme Court

I don't want HRC to get the nomination, she is near the bottom of the list for me. But I will be there to vote for whoever the Dem nominee is. There are several justices that won't make it through another 4 years, and I refuse to let the repubs nominate the next few Supreme Court justices. It is too important for the Dems to make these nominations for me to stay home on election day.

[AnnInLa]

45. How many times?

How many times in the past 7 years have I become so enraged that I just screamed in frustration over something the bush administration did?

How many times did I wonder why people were not rioting in the streets over this bungled war in Iraq?

How many times did I cringe when hearing our chimp-like oaf of a president try to express himself and fail miserably?

How many times did I HATE the way Republics preach "family values" to everyone, but practice no values of their own?

How many times did I wonder why people didn't recognize the stupidity/ineptness of the administration's foreign policy?

How many times was I horrified to see how corporate interests are the true driving force/controlling force in this country?

There were so many times when I felt like giving up....felt like moving to another country because I no longer felt like this was the country I grew up with....so many times when I came to this message board to find others who felt the same as I did. Man, I am SO SICK AND TIRED of feeling like I felt over the past 7 years!! The disgust, anger, hatred, frustration and feeling of that there is just nothing I could do, is very draining.

So, I will NOT become an enabler to having another Republic President. To sit home and not vote for the Dem candidate, no matter who it is, is enabling a "Stay The Course" in this country. If your conscience does not allow you to vote for a particular candidate, then at least don't trash that candidate in public. Please don't be an enabler.

I wish we could have a Progressive Democrat for President, Progressives in Congress and on the Supreme Court. It is my fondest wish. It is what we have been working for, advocating for. But, if this is not the time, then I will support a Centrist Democrat over an extremist stay-the-course Republic every time. I think we can influence a Centrist Democrat much more than we can influence a Republic. Look how many issues we became involved with and forced many in Congress and in the Press to pay attention: we wrote letters, made phone calls, signed petitions, sent emails, marched in protests. Democrats heard us, Republics made fun of us and ignored us. We can influence a Centrist Democrat to be more Progressive, so I am not afraid of a Centrist Dem as President. Our time might not be now, but it is coming for sure....until it comes, I won't enable a Republic President who will set back our work for a Progressive For President by years and years. It is too much to give up.

[ikojo]

47. We COULD have a progressive Democrat

if people would stop allowing the corporate and militarily controlled media choose who can "win." Dennis Kucinich is such a candidate. He would not continue the war and occupation of Iraq nor would he invade Iran. He supports Medicare for all and not some complicate calculus like equation for health care that keeps the for profit health insurance companies in business.

As long as people say they will vote for whomever has a "D" after their name (but not in their beliefs) the Democratic party will move further and further to the right. Progressives and other left of center people will be ignored because so many say, "ignore me because as long as you have that sacred D after your name you have my vote." It's called abused voter syndrome.

[0007]

54. I certainly won't have a thing to do with this over qualified cretin.

[HughBeaumont]

56. I say KNOWING so much is at risk, it'd be foolish TO nominate her.

I mean, look at your post. Look at a lot of these loyalty oath posts, directed towards one individual only.

You really gotta admit that it smacks of, as Tom Tomorrow put it, a feeling of "profound ambivelance". As if "well, I really, really REALLY hope she's NOT the nominee, but . . . I don't really think we have a choice in the matter and we better just . . . accept that she will be . . . and hope that rural America, the left and center, the fly-over states and the fence sitters get behind her somehow. Cross your fingers."

All I'm hearing is a reason NOT to vote Republican. But at the same time, I'm NOT really hearing a convincingly good enough reason why I should vote for, much less nominate, Hillary Clinton.

Oooh, the Supreme Court. Between Hillary Clinton or a Republican, the country's going to go to shit no matter who we select; jobs will still be sent overseas, there'll still be a recession, soldiers are still going to die by the thousands each year, but HEY, we need to get a better set of judges! :eyes:

Why are we resigning ourselves to "The Inevitable"? It doesn't have to BE this way.

This is why I HATE it when people say "vote your heart in the primary, but you'd BETTER support whoever comes out of it, no matter what?"

WHY? Why should I be held responsible for not supporting a bunch of other people's shitty choices?

GOD. It just completely amazes me that there are so many better candidates out there, and we're already tossing in the towel and settling; once again allowing the M$M to pick our damned candidate FOR us.

Personally, I don't think she'll be our nominee. Edwards, Obama and Biden all have better plans. I love Kucinich's ideas, but America's America, and that's just too much to overcome. Any combination of those three will be far better for the workers and the soldiers of this country. I care about the needs of the country's PEOPLE. They hold more precedence in my eyes than judges or Corporate America's needs. They're the ones (that's you included, BTW) that have been under the thumbs of Corporate shittiness for so long.

But hey, work for her if you must. Good luck with that. I mean, because you sound so confident that you'll get change with her, and all . . .

[LuckyTheDog]

69. That's a different issue

All I am saying is that if she DOES get the nomination, we'd be fools to sit back and hand the White House over to the Republicans because some of us don't like Hillary very much. That could well be national suicide.

[rndmprsn]

58. good for you...i will not work for her, might even stay home...

and thats my prerogative end of story.

[LuckyTheDog]

68. Then don't complain about President Huckabee

Or President Romney or, whatever.

[B Calm]

73. I'll complain about them too! Hillary will be the one who put them

in office!

[annie1]

75. Great. Down with reproductive freedom! yay for conservative scotus! :P

[Norwood]

59. I definitely won't work for her and I still don't know if she would get my vote

I have to be at least somewhat excited and believe in a candidate in order for me to volunteer for their campaign and Hillary doesn't do either for me. If she gets the nod I'm gonna have to do some serious thinking on who will get my vote. Maybe I'll just write in Gore.

[annie1]

77. And that's one of the reasons gore lost in 2000. We're voting in our...

government. We're voting for the person who will choose justices to the court. who will appoint the cabinet. She support universal pre-K. she cares about education, unlike our current president. staying home b/c she's not an exciting power to the people candidate is not a great move. She doesn't walk picket lines, fine, but neither did Bill Clinton, and some of his cabinet picks were very liberal.

[michiganbuckeye1970]

60. Just what is the beef with Hillary????

I've finally been motivated to post. I don't get it. For all the anti-Hillary people: just what is your issue with Hillary. Here are a few generic comments I've heard about her and my hopefully more specific response.

*Pro-corporate profits: Most of us depend on corporate profits to keep our jobs. Not only that, many of us here no longer work for company's that offer pensions. As such, we must depend on 401Ks to build up some sort of savings for retirement. While I support continued social security (and I actually believe it to be in better shape than Repugs are trying to scare us into believing), social security was never meant to be the sole means of income post-retirement. It is a supplement...but I'm off message.

*HRC is really a Republican: I guess this goes back to the pro-corporate attacks. I do think that her policies are very moderate, but her health care ideas are quite progressive, something you would never get out of Repug. I think that Hillary has learned to work within the system to get things done. I'm not sure we can point to too many people who work outside of the system and get things done. I think Hillary has developed a very pragmatic approach to policy making and to leading.

*The war vote: Given the timing and what the country had just gone through, I think she got painted right into the corner on this one. Who would have guessed that the Bush machine would have used 911 the way they did???? I think some people saw what they were doing, but didn't realize until a few years after to what degrees they had gone. My only beef with HRC over the war vote is that she has tried to dance around it a little too much.

One more thing to consider....Every single candidate on the Dem (and the Repug) side have worked within the system to get where they are today. These are not poor people, these are not people that have struggled with dead-end jobs, these are not people that have just put there head down and butted their way into where they are today.

I realize this post has gone on a little too long, but I just don't get the anti-Hillary crowd. I continue to ask people that I know that have a strong opinion about her what is their specific beef, and no one can give me an answer. To a certain degree I think many people are still intimidated by a woman in a position of authority...But if that is driving someone's vote (and many things, some that are worse than that do) there is nothing I or anyone else can do about it.

One last thought: I will be supporting the democratic nominee, no matter who that is.

[panzerfaust]

61. Agree: She is a tool of the establishment

Read the recent article in 'Forbes'.

However, if she wins the nomination (as I expect), I will support her (or whoever does win) for the presidential election, though Edwards is my choice - and I think he would be able to win the ACTUAL election (which I do not think that she will).

[annie1]

84. Do you have a link to the article? thanks

[mdmc]

62. HRC won't need my help or support

she will be the next pres. All I can do is sit back and watch.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. I won't.

My nose is in open rebellion to suffering of that magnitude.

[Fading Captain]

71. You're living in a dream world

"I think those who say they could never vote for H. Clinton are naive about what the Republican Party has become."

Yeah, so let's elect someone who supports the war and unchecked corporate power.

Vote for someone who represents your values.

Not some lesser-of-evils candidate.

If Americans vote for a corporocrat, nothing changes.

We don't need to destroy the Rublicans. We need to destroy the movement in our party that would have us be the Republicans-lite.

[LuckyTheDog]

74. You are sadly naive

And, very, very wrong about Hillary.

[annie1]

76. she votes like most of the democratic senators. and she is for ...

universal healthcare coverage in the same way that 5 out of 7 of the people running on the democratic side are. so calling her repub lite is a bit much.

[NaturalHigh]

86. Good luck with that.

Count me out, though. Mrs. Clinton will never get my support or my vote.