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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:02 AM
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Kill Bill? (Bush's attempt at a pocket veto)

Kill Bill?

He's going to try, but I don't think Bush's attempt at a pocket veto will fly. For one thing, it only works when the Congress is not in session, and the Senate is currently in session. Even if the President closes his eyes and clicks his heels and wishes very, very hard, they're still in session and he can't change that since the Constitution says Congress is the decider here, not Mr. Bush.

It should be understood that the President possesses no pocket veto power as such. A pocket veto is something the Congress causes. It is the result that occurs when Congress waives its right to reconsider legislation when its adjournment prevents the return of the bill. CRS Report

The way I interpret it is that the Congress decides when they can accept a bill from the Executive, since the Constitution states explicitly that Congress makes their own rules. So, in my opinion, the pocket veto doesn't apply unless the Congress says it does.

Regardless, the Senate is in session, thanks to Harry Reid and some east coast Senators who were willing to come to work over break (it's what you get for living that close to the office), and Nancy Pelosi has the House covered.

When adjourning before Christmas, the House instructed the House clerk to accept any communications -- such as veto messages -- from the White House during the monthlong break.

So Bush's pocket veto threat is as impotent as the Iraqi government, at whose request he's attempting the veto. Bush's other options are to sign it (he won't) or veto it outright. The President may try to get the Roadblock Republicans in the Senate to change their votes and not override his veto when the pro forma session is concluded and the full Congress returns, but I don't think that'll happen either. The RR's have been sucking up to him for the past seven years, but some of them are up for reelection in '08, and they're running from him like, well, like people who want to get reelected. Last month, they proved it with their first veto override.

So what's all the fuss about? Well, the bill in question is the Defense spending bill, and it includes some pretty important legislation. The keystones of the Defense bill are a military pay increase, contractor oversight and improvements in care for wounded troops. It also includes a provision authored by Senator Frank Lautenberg that protects American victims of terrorists attacks. That's what the Iraqi government and President Bush are objecting to with their veto. Is this really what passes for foreign policy in the Bush administration, allowing a foreign government to determine our defense spending? It's really pretty shocking when you think about it.

What's nuts is that Bush asked for more money. He fairly begged, pleaded and threatened for it. And now, without any warning, he's going to veto this legislation because the Iraqi government asked him to. The only thing I can come up with is that President Bush does not support the troops. He was, after all, against the 3.5% increase from the beginning. Or else he doesn't agree with the Constitution. Really, I can't come up with anything else. Here's what's in the bill. You tell me. Why is Bush threatening to kill this bill?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:13 AM
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1. The King Bush Has DECREAD THAT THE SENATE IS NOT IS SESSION. ALL IS WELL!!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 07:44 PM
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8. Isn't that what one of the characters in Animal House said
just before the crowd trompled over him....? ;)
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:14 AM
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2. One can only guess what
his motives are but I really hope he tries to pocket veto this and it becomes the catalyst for Impeachment and serious accountability. I want to think that it might but considering how a lot of other stuff has gone, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:19 AM
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3. You know why Chimpy and Iraq are both mega-concerned about
the Lautenberg amendment? Chimpy (and Iraq) afraid that all of the victims of 9/11 who still believe Chimpy's lies that Saddam had a hand in the attacks will sue Iraq. The Chimpster is also afraid American victims might sue Saudi Arabia, since most of the attackers were of Saudi origin. Chimpy doesn't want to upset his sick little apple cart in the Middle East with Americans seeking justice.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:27 AM
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4. What really is upsetting is the corporate media saying
that he has used the pocket veto. He can't. The idea that congress will take this up after Jan. 15 is simply a red herring. Unless * officially vetoes this measure, it becomes law without his signature on Dec. 31, I think is the date. All Congress has to do is ignore this whole mess and the bill passes. I have a hunch that the repubs also know this, and going along with the charade will not help come Nov. as was stated. Will stay tuned.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:31 PM
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7. Good point
K&R
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:01 PM
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9. Well, I don't think the M$M is *yet* defining what the Constitution says.... nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:36 PM
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5. Kick! n/t
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:00 PM
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6. There is another option. He does not have to sign, or to veto it.
It becomes law after 10 days, excepting Sundays, if Congress is in session.



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