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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:16 AM
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Hillary’s Musharraf - Mrs. Clinton’s forgotten fling with the Killer of Karachi
from November, by Greg Palast: http://www.gregpalast.com/mrs-clintons-forgotten-fling-with-the-killer-of-karachi/



(her potential vice-presidential candidate, Evan Bayh at her side . . .)

You’ve seen all those creepy photos of George Bush rubbing up against Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf, the two of them grinning and giggling like they’re going to the senior prom. So it’s hard to remember that it was Hillary and Bill who brought Pervez to the dance in the first place.

{snip}

. . . it all began with an unpaid electricity bill. In 1998, Pakistan wouldn’t pay up millions, and they owed billions, to British and American electricity companies. And for good reason: the contracts called for paying insanely high prices. It smelled of payola - and ultimately, the government of Pakistan filed charges against power combine executives and canceled the contracts. That’s the rule under international law: companies can’t collect on contracts they obtained by pay-offs.

But these weren’t just any companies. One was a Tony Blair favorite, Britain’s National Power. The other was Entergy International, a sudden big-time player in the international power market based out of, oddly, Little Rock, Arkansas. Despite the Clinton Administration’s claim to fight foreign corruption, this was an exception. Clinton and Blair voted to cut off Pakistan’s funding from the IMF. Pay-up the power pirates, they told Pakistan, or starve.

Why was President Clinton so determined to crush Pakistan because of an unpaid bill to some Little Rock company. This was not just any company. But that wasn’t much. More important, Entergy and its partners, the Riady Family of Indonesia had just paid about half a million dollars to Hillary’s old Rose Law Firm partner Webster Hubbell. Odd that, hiring Hubbell. Why would Entergy pay big bucks to Hubbell as a “consultant” when he was on his way to jail for a felony. Hubbell was doing time because he refused to testify against Ms. Rodham.

Did President Clinton know about the payment to Hubbell? Clinton denied it to the press, but under oath, to the FBI, Bill said he, “wouldn’t be surprised” if the Riadys told him about the payoff to Hubbell in one of Bill’s several private meetings with them in the Oval Office.

Was there a connection between Entergy’s kindness to Hillary and her law partner and the power company’s extraordinary sway with the Administration? From inside information on energy policies to favor requested of Tony Blair’s office by Hillary’s office, Entergy could do no wrong. Certainly, their consortium’s executives wouldn’t have to stand trial in Pakistan.

And Entergy got its money. On December 22, 1998, Pakistan’s military, at the direction of General Pervez Musharraf, sent thirty thousand troops into the nation’s power stations. At the time, Entergy’s partners told me, “A lot changed since the army moved in. Now we have a situation where we can be paid. They’ve found a way to collect from the man in the street.” Yes: at gunpoint, according to Abdul Latif Nizamani, a labor union leader who spoke with me after Musharraf’s gang had arrested him.

With Pakistan’s army in control of the nation’s infrastructure, and acting as guarantor of payment to the US and UK power giants, General Musharraf’s final takeover of the entire government nine months later - a “surprise” coup to the Western press - was, a forgone conclusion. And the Clintons, complicit, like Bush today, could say little . . .


more: http://www.gregpalast.com/mrs-clintons-forgotten-fling-with-the-killer-of-karachi/
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:31 AM
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1. Rec'd. nt
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:37 AM
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2. Pathetic and scary. nt
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:13 AM
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44. My thoughts too............
The supporters of this thread are a lynch mob. The progressive wing is becoming a radical fringe of the left with greg palast as the New Nader with a rope. Desperately looking for a cause.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:33 AM
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47. Me, I'm tired of right wingers. We've had them since Reagan. Time to change.
It's clear that right wing ideology, from Right Wing Lite to Fascism, all damages the middle class down to the poor. It impoverishes a nation. It creates fear and a low quality of life. It hurts the weakest. So, frankly, I no longer listen to anything said by a right winger of any socioeconomic background or affiliation.

If that means I side with the left wing of the Democratic Party, well then I guess that's what it means and I'm quite proud of it.

:-)
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ancient_nomad Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:38 AM
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3. KnR! n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:40 AM
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4. BOTH Clintons love to play fast and lose with the truth.
<snip>

Did President Clinton know about the payment to Hubbell? Clinton denied it to the press, but under oath, to the FBI, Bill said he, “wouldn’t be surprised” if the Riadys told him about the payoff to Hubbell in one of Bill’s several private meetings with them in the Oval Office.

<snip>

NO MORE CLINTONS OR BUSHES IN GOVERNMENT. EVER!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:00 PM
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28. Amen! n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:44 AM
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5. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:01 AM
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6. K&R
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:01 AM
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7. Nio matter how attractive the closet door may appear, they probably all have skeletons in them.
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 11:02 AM by BrklynLiberal
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:03 AM
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8. Greg Palast.....connecting a lot of dots.
One of the few "Investigative Reporters" still alive.
Didn't he break the story about the Stolen Election in Florida 2000?


K&R
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:05 AM
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10. I trust his reporting
implicitly
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:01 PM
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13. Me too!
The US CorpoMedia works hard to marginalize him.
He is rarely given a voice except on small Liberal outlets.
He is treated much like Kucinich is treated by the MSM........which is a HUGE endorsement in my book.


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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:20 AM
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45. Greg Palast has lost his mojo.
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 10:21 AM by liberalnurse
He is trying to line himself with a political leader, better it be a Democratic leader, to start his whining and to sell books. The repugs are yesterday...Palast needs a new platform. No republican would buy his books even for toilet paper....His only option, feed into the delusional left-wing fundamentalist.

So, here it is....Go buy his bible books for the rapture of the Democratic Party..
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:04 AM
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9. She seems to lack a "sense of smell".
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 11:05 AM by TahitiNut
There are some who really think that's an advantage for a politician. :eyes:

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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:17 AM
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11. I keep telling you EVERYTHING is Clintons fault!
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:18 AM
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12. this stinks to high heaven
I'm sure that the hillary supporters here are looking for a way to spin this.

I'm reminded of the recent Dubai ports controversy which I posted about earlier. Back door wheeling and dealing... opportunists in the whitehouse. We don't need that at this point in history.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usclin144890633sep14,0,4200190.story?coll=ny-leadnationalnews-headlines

excerpt:

In the spring, when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was denouncing the Dubai Ports World deal, a consulting firm run by her top advisers was quietly lobbying for a Dubai takeover of two U.S. defense plants, Newsday has learned.

The Glover Park Group, whose principals include Clinton insiders Howard Wolfson, Joe Lockhart and Gigi Georges, was paid about $100,000 to help the government-owned Dubai International Capital Corp. in its acquisition of the British engineering firm Doncasters Group Ltd.



http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0308-32.htm

excerpt:

There is also something comical about the "opposition" party suddenly getting tough after caving in to Bush on so many issues -- from invading Iraq to tax cuts favoring the rich to assaults on civil liberties. I can't take the Democrats seriously when it's revealed that their fundraiser-in-chief, Bill Clinton, husband of Senate Portgate critic Hillary, advised Dubai's leaders last month on how best to navigate the ports crisis. He was paid $450,000 in 2002 to give speeches in Dubai, and his presidential library, in Little Rock, has received at least $500,000 from officials of the United Arab Emirates.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:34 PM
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17. that second piece sounds like somebody who just likes to bash Democrats
"after caving in to Bush on so many issues -- from invading Iraq to tax cuts favoring the rich to assaults on civil liberties."

The Democratic party did not "cave on the Bush tax cuts" both of the Bush tax cuts passed after fairly substantial Democratic opposition. The tax cut of 2003 passed the Senate by a vote of 51-50. This after it was significantly modified by Democrats from what Bush asked for, among them, automatic expiration dates, and the tax rate on dividends was only reduced to 15% instead of 0% as Bush proposed and promoted.

Obviously, Democrats will stand stronger when they know the people will back them up. With the Dubai ports deal, they played used Bush's own terror card against him.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:12 PM
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20. Common Dreams is not a republican website. n/t
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:19 PM
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21. really?
Check out the blogroll in my Journal.

They do, however, feature columns by Ralph Nader, and sometimes people who are "more progressive than thou" also like to bash Democrats.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:02 AM
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42. We used to call those people "liberals".
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:59 PM
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19. But--Hil has "foreign policy experience!"
She is EXPERIENCED in ways that no other Dem candidate is--her supporters will be happy to tell you all about it!


:puke:



Laura
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:02 PM
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14. I can hardly wait for the movie.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:05 PM
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15. Ah. Your non-response is telling. nt
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:25 PM
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16. this part does not ring true
"Odd that, hiring Hubbell. Why would Entergy pay big bucks to Hubbell as a “consultant” when he was on his way to jail for a felony. Hubbell was doing time because he refused to testify against Ms. Rodham."

A few years ago, I read Hubbell's book "Friends in High Places". He went to jail twice. The first time was for embezzeling. He had been over-billing clients at the Rose law firm and pocketing the difference himself.

So I am doubting that he was 'doing time because he refused to testify'. First, he was doing time because he stole. Perhaps he could have cut some kind of deal by providing testimony, but I am not sure he ever refused to testify. In fact, there was a story in the book of how he was transported out of the federal prison in order to testify, either before Starr's Grand Jury, or the Republican Congress.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:35 PM
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18. what were the payments from Riady for?
"After his resignation, Hubbell met with another old friend, James Riady, whose family controls the giant Indonesian conglomerate, the Lippo Group. Hubbell and Riady had become friends in Little Rock, where Rose represented the Riady-owned Worthen Bank.

Before Hubbell entered his guilty pleas, he received about $500,000 in payments, including $100,000 from Lippo.

Investigators want to know whether that payment was intended to buy his silence about his meeting with Riady – or about Whitewater allegations. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/players/hubbell.htm



Excerpts from an interview President Clinton gave to Justice Department investigators in a campaign finance inquiry in April. The president was asked about conversations with an Indonesian businessman and campaign contributor, James T. Riady, who gave $100,000 to a close friend of Mr. Clinton, Webster L. Hubbell: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D06E5DB103AF936A15754C0A9669C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print


Q.: On June 27, a Riady-controlled entity paid Webster Hubbell $100,000. The previous weekend, June 23, WAVE records reflect that Mr. Riady met with you in the White House. Do you have any recollection of a conversation with Mr. Riady concerning Webster Hubbell in the days before a Riady-controlled entity paid him $100,000?

A.: No, sir, I don't. You know, let me just say this. It's possible that he could have said to me, ''I'm going to help Webb Hubbell, you know, I know Webb Hubbell and I want to try to help him, because everybody knew that I knew him well, that he had been here working.''

And so if, in fact, I did meet with him then, if that, in fact, did happen, and if ----. But I don't remember it, but might have met with him.

If, in fact, I met with him it wouldn't surprise me if he'd said that, something like that in passing. But I do not remember him doing that. . . .

Q.: Do you have any memory of a conversation with Mr. Riady about paying Mr. Hubbell because of concerns that Mr. Hubbell might end up being a witness against you in some fashion?
A.: Absolutely not. I never talked to anybody about that.

I want you to understand two things. No. 1, I believe the people that helped Webb Hubbell did it because, like me, they believed he was innocent.

No. 2, I believe Webb Hubbell was persistently persecuted by the independent counsel because he would not lie about me or Hillary. He did not know anything to testify against me or Hillary because, as the R.T.C. report made clear, we did not do anything wrong. And everybody with any oversight or awareness of the facts of Whitewater has known that for years. This is a ----. There is nothing to this. I never worried about what Webb Hubbell would say. If he wanted to say something bad about me, he'd have to make it up.
Q.: So, you didn't have a conversation ----.

A.: Now, that would have made Mr. Starr happy. But he did not know anything. The man has been punished more than he otherwise would have because he would not lie, not because I had any role in getting him any business contract.
Q.: So, you didn't have the conversation?

A.: No. I never ----. It never even occurred to me. It never occurred to me that he would be asked to be a witness. He didn't know anything. There was nothing to Whitewater. He didn't know anything to testify against me for. It never happened.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D06E5DB103AF936A15754C0A9669C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:38 PM
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22. Exposes sloppy reporting by kook fringe journalist Palast
Palast says Hubbell received $500,000. It was $100,000. That shows Palast doesn't check anything before he makes his wild accusations.

What's more, Palast says, "More important, Entergy and its partners, the Riady Family of Indonesia had just paid about half a million dollars to Hillary’s old Rose Law Firm partner Webster Hubbell" The payment was actually made four years earlier.

The Clintons opposed the coup in Pakistan. They had rocky relations with Musharraf before and after the coup. The events that led up to the coup in Pakistan are well documented and have nothing to do with Bill Clinton or electric bills.

Based on nothing but wild conjecture that one event caused another, Palast claims Bill Clinton risked nuclear weapons falling into terrorist hands,or a war between Pakistan and India just because one of his friends couldn't collect their electric bills. That's nuts!

I could check this out more and find more flaws but I don't have time for every kook piece on the Internet. I would like to add to the discussion on Palast's claim that Hubbell went to jail for refusing to testify against Hillary that Hubbell in fact cooperated completely with the Independent Counsel and answered all their questions under oath. Starr just didn't like the truth he got.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:01 AM
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32. thank you Creeksneakers,
it's nice to see that some democrats don't immediately swallow hook, line and sinker, Palass's painfully obvious innuendo and distortion. Geez, with democrats like some DUers, who needs whacko republicans to suggest that the Clintons are guilty of everything from Vince Foster's death to the sinking of the Titanic. What crap!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:06 AM
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43. What is your source? Palast has done fine work
and if he screwed up this story, I'd like to check it out. He was the kook that broke the vote caging story in FL, the fact that the White House knew the levees had breached but didn't tell anyone, and that people were locked out of their intact NOLA public housing for no reason.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:04 PM
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23. "But as for the allegation of hush money, consider several things.
"One, I didn't hush. For three years I answered every question the independent counsel put to me. Two, no one knew back when I got those consulting contracts that I was going to be indicted and then pressured to say something bad about my friends. Finally, how do you prove a negative? Were you paid hush money, Webb? The answer is no. But how do I prove I wasn't? I can say that all my life, I obtained business through friends, aquaintances, and colleagues who respected me and my work. This isn't unique to me or to Little Rock. It's been the way that lawyers have gotten work since the legal profession began. Frankly, I don't like lawyer advertising. I think most of the ads are unseemly and hurt the profession. So was it wrong for friends of mine to look at me and see a friend and former colleague whom they thought of as a good and ethical person, but who was now down on his luck? Should they have turned their back on someone who had just resigned his job, had a wife and children to support, and needed work?"

The bottom line is still that he was not a convicted felon because he refused to testify. He was a convicted felon because he stole. The only thing testimony could have gotten him was a reduced sentence of perhaps 6 months in a halfway house instead of 21 months in Federal prison, and he writes of that time that he testified before Congress several times.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:15 PM
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25. Thanks for posting the other side of the story.
That's something I miss about DU these days. Not a big fan of Clinton these days but if this is more true than false, its a shame on all of us who supported them in the 90s.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 07:36 PM
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26. It makes no sense at all to assume, as Clinton described his friend
that Hubbel was only as deep into graft as his conviction suggested.

Further, the connections and the associations (clearly recent with the meetings described, in the White House) should be enough to raise questions of impropriety which most Americans do not participate in or approve. The entire circle of influence stinks to high heaven. While it may be possible to parse these relationships out in a court of law, there is certainly enough on the surface to cause someone concerned with clean government, or one which is not compromised by these monied, backdoor relationships to question or reject the Clintons as typical insider-operators who will do little to change the corrupt culture surrounding the White House.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:07 PM
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24. Thanks.
Hadn't seen this.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:23 PM
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27. Musharaff=blowback
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 08:24 PM by bluesmail
always forget the R&C
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:28 AM
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53. .
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:01 PM
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29. A lot of our Democrats have met with Musharraf.
This post is really a stretch.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:23 PM
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30. were their husbands (wives, lovers) president at the time?
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 11:30 PM by bigtree
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:07 AM
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33. Oh you shouldn't try to confuse these helpful posts with the TRUTH.
That just makes their little heads explode! They have to spend lots of time trying to dig up things on ONLY Hillary Clinton, because obbbviously, she's the only republican running.. oh wait.. did I say 'republican'? Sorry, my mistake. For a minute I assumed that since she got 99% of the grief here, that she was actually running in that other party.

I'm making a mental note of the candidate choice of the most obnoxious anti-Clinton posters, sot that if my candidate does not get the nod, I will pull a Naderite on them, and vote for Kucinich instead.

Me? I'm just waiting on the end of the elections, like last time, when the carpetbaggers and paid posters skedaddle off to their next hack job.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 08:40 AM
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40. It didn't take much energy at all to pull up Palast's piece.
Is it possible for the Clinton's defenders to answer ANY of the charges against them without trying to smear the questioners?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:46 PM
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31. Oh, crap...Evan Bayh? Pleeeease, no.
:banghead:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 03:47 AM
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34. Shocking just shocking, a photo of a US senator meeting with the president of Pakistan!!!
Any Republican talking points that were missed?

I particularly love this sentence:

Why would Entergy pay big bucks to Hubbell as a “consultant” when he was on his way to jail for a felony. Hubbell was doing time because he refused to testify against Ms. Rodham.

Ms. Rodham???? When did Hil drop the Clinton?

As for Hubbell, he went to jail for embezzlement and not because he was a martyr who refused to testify against his friend and reveal some dark secret to weasel Ken Starr.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:57 AM
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36. Thank you ...
I didn't even have the energy to respond.

:-)

W.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 08:38 AM
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39. 'president' of Pakistan?
He's a military dictator who has assumed the presidency without one vote from the people of Pakistan.

It's frickin unbelievable the lengths folks will go to cover for the Clintons. It's just fine for some to connect the dots when it comes to the affairs and dealings of the Bushes and the Cheneys, but not the Clintons. They're immaculate and unassailable.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:57 AM
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50. Well ...
Let's get to Democracy-creatin' ... how about it?

You go ahead ... :)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:39 AM
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35. It's all so tawdry
People listen to stories on their work from a scripted media and get awards from set up
organizations, all the while fully aware that they're not playing it straight... but never
giving in that it's the "longest con" in the history of the world. Ruling to line your own
pockets. This has not become a zero sum game.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 06:22 AM
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37. k&r
Follow the money.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 07:43 AM
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38. Bookmarking to read later. K&R
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 09:59 AM
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41. k & r n/t
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 10:59 AM
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46. All the stuff with the Clintons and Riadys is going to get messy if HRC is the nominee...n/m
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:16 PM
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48. Inconvenient Photo Kick n/t
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:48 PM
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49. Jon Stewart serves tea to the Killer of Karachi


The Daily Show hosted by Jon Stewart is taped out of, oddly, New York. The same state that Ms. Clinton serves as a US Senator. Coincidence? I think not.
:eyes:

I've read this piece of journalistic horseshit twice and I still can't find anything that ties Musharraf to Hillary Clinton. Unless you want to believe the lies and distorted facts that ol' Greg throws out there.

There were two major companies that Pakistan cancelled their contracts with but they were not the two that Greg mentions. The military securing the power stations was ordered by the prime minister.... not Musharraf. President Clinton went to Pakistan to discuss concerns over the Pakistan/India conflict and concerns over the Taliban in Afghanistan... and the growth of terrorists in that country. (this... about 1 1/2 years before 9/11)

I could go on but it wouldn't matter. The mental masturbation that pleases those that hate Ms. Clinton is far too pleasurable to counter with annoying shit like facts and stuff.

Recently I quit listening to our local "progressive" talk radio station when a caller and host started having a good chuckle over how ugly Hillary Clinton was... "... at least Monica was good looking." I've gone back to enjoying music. :P

I don't have a horse in this race and I'm not a Hillary supporter. I think the Primary (and Election) process is a joke. But.... when I read right wing crap being written by "progressive" journalists... ahhh.... nevermind. I now return you to your regularly scheduled mental hate masturbation. "Hey... did you hear that Hillary stiffed a server in Iowa!!!!"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 07:32 AM
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51. It's absurd to characterize criticism of the Clinton's as "hate"
but I suppose it's as good as a defense available. What I get from this article is the depths and lengths of these complicated and questionable(?) associations that (I think) Bill Clinton was compromised by as he did his balancing act as governor and president. It's more than unsavory to muck through them, but to just brush them off as some hate-filled vendetta is a defense which doesn't measure up to the scrutiny we give republicans every day.

Now, this piece is a month old. It can certainly be challenged, as you have effectively done. But if we take a look at the extent of the ties between the Clintons and their friend, Riady and the Lippo Group, there is more than enough on the surface to turn off anyone who is concerned with the incestuous relationships between corporate influences and government. It would be more effective if defenders just stuck to laying out their understanding of the facts surrounding these relationships, than attacking those with questions and reservations as akin to republicans or insinuating that there's some hate-filled agenda behind the raising of such questions. The Clinton's aren't immaculate or beyond scrutiny. It would be better to stick to addressing the substance of the post (as you have done), and put the character attacks on the questioners aside.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:58 AM
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52. You're drifting off course....
The title of the article referenced here was:

Hillary’s Musharraf - Mrs. Clinton’s forgotten fling with the Killer of Karachi

Why would anyone make a statement like that and then lie and distort the facts?
:shrug:

Hillary was the target here. Not "the Clinton's". Greg most certainly wrote this for his target demographic.... those that despise Hillary and "the Clinton's". Is that a better word? Despise?

Corporate influence (and Church influence) on government are topics that certainly deserve real discussion and concern. But.... when you fabricate a story on the basis of corporate influence because the foundation of the story isn't juicy enough or lacks a good connection... that's just fucked up.

It'll all be over soon and we can look forward to more of this type of "journalism" being directed at the person who gets the nod.
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