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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:21 AM
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"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of
tyranny at home.”

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad."

"We are free today substantially, but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be an impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few."
-James Madison

“Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God’s service when it is violating all His laws.”
-John Adams

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
-Thomas Jefferson

But hey, "911 changed everything". :rofl:

(Wake the fuck up, America.)
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:23 AM
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1. K&R
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:29 AM
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2. A few more for you...
“For I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents. Formerly bodily powers gave place among the aristoi. But since the invention of gunpowder has armed the weak as well as the strong with the missile death, bodily strength, like beauty, good humor politeness and other accomplishments, has become but auxiliary ground of distinction. There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for the instructions, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of society. May we not even say that that form of government is the best which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi to the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government and provision should be made to prevent its ascendancy.” Thomas Jefferson to John Adams - 1813


“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” ibid. To George Logan in 1816


“I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.” Thomas Jefferson


“To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson


“Many of our rich men have not been content with equal protection and equal benefits, but have sought to make themselves richer by act of Congress.”

Andrew Jackson - Bank Veto message - 1832


“I am more than ever convinced of the dangers to which the free and unbiased exercise of political opinion - the only sure foundation and safeguard of republican government - would be exposed by any further increase of the already overgrown influence of corporate authorities.” Martin Van Buren - First annual message to Congress - December, 1837


“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country...corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.” Abraham Lincoln -

November 1864 - (letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)



“Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes...A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.”

Abraham Lincoln - 1840


“This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations.” Rutherford B. Hayes


“As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the existence of trusts, combinations and monopolies, while the citizen is struggling far in the rear or is trampled to death beneath an iron heel. Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters.” Grover Cleveland - Annual address to Congress - December, 1888


“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.” Theodore Roosevelt April, 1906


“There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains.”

ibid. August, 1910




“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive., that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” Woodrow Wilson


“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” . Ibid


“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”

Franklin Roosevelt


“My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there’s hardly any difference.” Harry S. Truman


“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” (Ibid.) Message to Congress, 1950


“Of course I believe in free enterprise but in my system of free enterprise, the democratic principle is that there never was, never has been, never will be, room for the ruthless exploitation of the many for the benefit of the few.” (ibid.) Congressional Record 5/9/1944


“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.”

Dwight Eisenhower - Farewell speech


“The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.”

. Ibid


“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”

John Kennedy


“The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society, and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.” . Ibid


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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:40 AM
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3. Chilling isn't it?
They knew the truth even in the very beginning...
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 10:07 AM
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4. Yes, they did - very little has changed in terms of their intent to rule
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 10:09 AM by BridgeTheGap
They just have many more tools at their disposal, including a deep understanding of propaganda.
It makes the following editorial by Roger Cohen in the NY Times laughable:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/opinion/27cohen.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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