For those of you who think vaccinations

[shraby]

do more harm than good, go to the search engine on my genealogy site and do a search for diptheria, measles or any other childhood disease. The pages that have obituaries where the person died of that disease will come up.
The address of my site is <http://www.2manitowoc.com> There is a link to the search engine if you scroll down a little bit.
The page my search engine is on is: <http://www.2manitowoc.com/srchngn.html>
Remember, my site is for one county only.

[truedelphi]

1. First of all, assigning those of us who protest and critique

Certain aspects of the vaccine process with a broad stroke of "thinking vaccines do more harm than good" well, such a designation is simply unfair.

Many of us who are critical of vaccines have parameters in which we operate.

For one thing, my critique of vaccines is not that "no one should ever vaccinate."

Rather I would say that everyone who offers either their own body or their child's body up to a vaccination should consider certain things.

The first question needed to be examined is, what are the statistical odds that this vaccine determines a good outcome rather than a bad outcome?

The vaccine that FAILS this test (for me anyway) is the Hep B vaccine, which is now almost mandatory at all hospitals where a live infant is born. It is administered within 24 hours of the baby's birth

Statistician Michael Belkin lost his five week old daughter to this vaccine. Given that Belkin was one of the top statisticians in the world, and made his living on Wall Street running the numbers on stock offerings, well, he set his grief upon the task of analyzing the vaccine that killed his daughter.

And he discovered that any infant or child having this vaccine was far more likely to be injured from the vaccine, or die from the vaccine, than would die or be injured from the disease itself.
After all, the Hep B virus only replicates inside the bodies of those who are doing drugs and sharing unclean needles or having unsafe sex or who are born to a mother who has the disease.

Most infants do not have these behaviors. And since the vaccine is administered to women who are in hospital for the birthing process, the question can be asked as to why the mothers are simply not screened to see if they have the disease, and then only those babies whose mothers are infected would be given that shot.

Of course that would touch upon two things: liability and profit.

Vaccine proponents, especially those in the industry rant and rave that the vaccines do not offer much of a profit for the pharmaceutical companies making them. Perhaps that fact explains why so many of the laboratories where the vaccines are made are sub standard. (A fact that the San Francisco Chronicle brought to light about eight years ago on its expose on vaccine labs)

But the fact of the matter is that if you are making even a dollar on a vaccine that will be used millions of times in a year, well, you get the picture. And the government coughs up research monies, and the government coughs up administration costs: much of the "healthy baby" clinic time and money is spent giving infants and children shots. So in short, it is a big lie: pharmaceutical companies are making big money from these vaccines.

The second thing to consider is liability. At the time that the Hep B vaccine as coming into focus the intitial idea was that every child would be vaccinated around the time that they would be entering high school.

So why was this mandate changed to have children vaccinated immediately after their birth? Well, my belief is that this occurred because a twelve or thirteen year old has a great deal of proof of who they are and how healthy they are. By the age of thirteen, any kid in America has a record of their health: Mom and Dad's video of them as the lead in the school play, the weekend spent skiing with relatives, their participation in the Girl Scouts, etc. School teachers, athletic coaches, pediatric doctors and nurses all have corroborating testimony that would give the afflicted child's family a win in court, should one of the awful side effects come into play.


A baby who is one day old is unknown. Should the baby end up with migraines (one side effect of the vaccine) or be paralyzed, well, officialdom can rule "Well, our guess is that it was born that way, right?" And how could any parent protest? (At least in the legal sense.) They have known their child only twenty four hours...

[shraby]

2. If you notice, I"m not talking about

one specific disease, but the diseases that were common among children before vaccinations. Many parents are not immunizing their children because of the horror stories floating when the real horror is losing 5 out of 5 children in one week from diptheria which is now preventable.

[Maine-ah]

3. I know of people in my area who are not vaccinating.

We have had a mumps outbreak in Rockport. I have done all the vaccinations, except for the flu shot. Every year the same people I know get that damn flu shot, still get the flu. Yes I understand that it is a different strain, but I never get the shot myself and I haven't had the flu in many years. (knocking on wood here)

I would like to see more research though in relation to autism.

[shraby]

4. Research in the area of autism is warranted

but the mumps outbreak from people not vaccinating is my point. Many of the diseases we can vaccinate for were very lethal and that is the very reason they were developed.

[Kansas Wyatt]

5. I don't trust those damn flu shots

Doctors and government insisting that everyone should get one, only makes me more against it.

[alarimer]

7. I think the decision to get flu shots should be based on an individual's health.

Kids and the elderly should probably get flu shots because there is a good chance they could die from it. The flu still kills thousands every years. I also have never had the flu in years but the flu can be a serious illness for anyone, and I don't want to be off work for two weeks right now so I am going to get one when I get home. Now is not the time for me to be sick. Other years I might take the chance but I have a thesis defense coming up that HAS to be done by Feb. if I am to graduate this year. So I will get one for the first time in my life.

[TomInTib]

6. I have never had a flu shot and I spent two weeks in bed with the flu.

Forty years ago.

And I never caught the flu again, even though I am out in the public on a daily basis.

[truedelphi]

8. Compare these two lists - it is mind blowing

This is a very good comparison.
In 1983 The CDC Mandatory Vaccine Schedule was only
10 shots that contained a total of 30 vaccines

DTP
OPV
DTP
OPV
DTP
MMR **
DTP
OPV
DTP
OPV
** Vaccines made with Aborted Fetal Cell

In 2007 The CDC Mandatory Vaccine Schedule is now 36 shots that contain a total of 121 vaccines a 400% increase with Aluminum, Formaldehyde, Thimerosal (mercury derivative).

Although it has been mandated legally that Thimerosol be taken out of the mix, I have heard that actually what is happening is that the old vaccines with the Thimerosol are allowed to be used until used up.

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/child-schedule.htm


Influenza (Prenatal)
Hep B (Birth)
Hep B
DTaP
Hib
IPV **
PCV
Rotavirus
Hep B
DTaP
Hib
IPV **
PCV
Rotavirus
Hep B
DTaP
Hib
IPV **
PCV
Influenza
Rotavirus
Hib
MMR **
Varicella
PCV
Hep A **
DTaP
Hep A **
Influenza
Influenza
Influenza
MMR **
DTaP
IPV **
Influenza
Influenza
** Vaccines made with Aborted Fetal Cell

Dr. Coulter (of Australia) estimates that about two-thirds of the 10,000 annual cases of crib death are vaccine related but he may be conservative. Childhood vaccination rates in Australia dropped by 50% when they became non-mandatory (as it is becoming in many European countries) and SIDS dropped by 50%! In 1975, when Japan moved the vaccination age to two years (American babies receive their first shot at two months) crib death and infantile convulsions virtually disappeared (Cherry et al. 1988, Pediatrics Supplement, p.973). Japan then recorded the lowest incidence of infant mortality in the world.

Coulter, in his book "Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality," studied the long-term effects of vaccination and he found them related to a single neurological disturbance caused by vaccination: "Autism and SIDS appear to be generated in the same way -- by an encephalitis most commonly caused by vaccination.... The child who would have grown up autistic dies instead of 'sudden infant death syndrome.'"
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