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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-23-07 11:53 PM Original message |
OMG They just showed a soldier on my local news who had a German cross on his hat!! |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Was it the actual medal or a patch or drawn on? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It was a patch on the front of his hat |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Was this it? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yes, that's what it looked like |
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Aristus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The Iron Cross dates back to 1813, and the symbol is still painted on German tanks and jets |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Am I overreacting here? |
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Aristus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I don't think you're overreacting. |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I wouldn't consider it a Nazi symbol. |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
62. IIRC, The Bundeswehr (German military) still maintains the Iron Cross as a decoration. |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Here's why they use it |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Is that really so, or is this the explanation for public consumption? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. The symbol has absolutely no connection with race at all, |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Just because there are racist bikers |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 04:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
66. God created................. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. "The hatred toward Japanese motorcycles clearly has it's roots in racism" |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
86. I attended a biker's birthday party years ago |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I'm not one to jump to conclusions. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
72. Check out US Army's Sharpshooter Badge |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Here is a picture |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a nazi. German pilots still wear the iron cross |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. It doesn't matter if he's a Nazi or not |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. It's not a Nazi symbol. It's existed for hundreds of years, and is used by the Germans to this day. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #21 |
40. It is associated with the Nazis |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Only among those who are wholly ignorant |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. So this isn't a Nazi medal? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Of course it is. See the little swastika? Now look at these: |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Only IF it has a swastika on it |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:41 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Only IF it has a swastika on it |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-27-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
91. Actually, the Swastika predates the Nazis by thousands of years |
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MattSh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
85. Well, Germany is associated with the Nazis too... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
88. IF it used by the German military today, it must not be considered a Nazi symbol |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. What's important here is the meaning to Americans |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
37. He WASN'T IN UNIFORM. That's the big thing you missed. If he were, he couldn't wear the cross. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. And it's okay to wear a Nazi symbol? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. It isn't a Nazi symbol. Get over it. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Yes it is. And don't tell me what to get over |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Um...no. It's not. It was used in Germany for centuries before the Nazis, and |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. My dad was a foot soldier in the Battle of the Bulge |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:55 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I'm sure he was indeed repulsed by German military iconography. |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
56. The German Tornado aircraft |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Trust me, he will. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:05 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I like how it's never, |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. agree it is Nazi |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Based on what? Many here have posted visual evidence that it is not. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. I don't view it as a nazi symbol; however, tell me: What does the 1st Amendment say??? n/t |
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Flarney (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. Could it have been this? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. No I know about West Coast Choppers |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
5. I don't know about the ribbon but, I was awarded a cross looked like that |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It was a patch on the front of his hat |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. The Nazi's borrowed the cross for very effective symbolism |
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lurky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
11. Was it this? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. No that's too round |
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elshiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. That reminds me more of the Canterbury Cross |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
20. That's a Cross Pattée. It's a cultural symbol of the German military, |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
22. It's a Maltese Cross, it's not a Nazi symbol. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. could have been his grandfather's |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. Takes all kinds |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. It has absolutely nothing to do with racism or Nazism. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Why do you think bikers wear it? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. bikers have worn it since the 50's for good luck, quit trying to change history. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Combination, I'd say. |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. And why do Black Bikers where them? |
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GA_ArmyVet (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 07:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
71. Really so Racism is rampant among bikers |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Scientific studies don't exist |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Its use by US bikers began after WWII |
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Tulum_Moon (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:33 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. It was not swastika |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You might have replied in the wrong place |
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Laurier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
42. From the OP, what the heck is "A Nazi, Hilter (sic) lovin (sic) GERMAN CROSS!!!" ? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:31 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. OP apparently believes "of predominantly German heritage" = "Nazi" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. My grandmother was "of predominantly German heritage" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. That's good. I'm sure she had ancestors who spoke German, if she didn't herself. |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
63. This cross is also used in various instances in the US Army |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:41 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Same badge my step-father wore when he served |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
53. Hilter? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
57. The Iron Cross isn't a Nazi symbol |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
60. Here's the current WEC Light Heavyweight Champion, Doug Marshall |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
61. Generalizations are dangerous |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 03:39 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Und haben Sie auch eine froehliche Weihnachtzeit! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 04:16 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Many present day American racists.............. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I am aware of that, as are many Germans |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. I don't believe that's correct. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 07:42 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Danke, gleichfalls! |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. I tried to teach my kiddies "O Christmas Tree" |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Die Kinder sind gute Dichter. Die Musik is auch "O Maryland, |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
70. Did he look like this guy? |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
73. EXCUSE ME... isn't that the Maltese Cross? Identified as the symbol of an order of Christian warrior |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Having spent an entire month in Valleta, Malta in 1969, I think I |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-24-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. The island of Malta was the most heavily bombed place on earth |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
83. Are you sure it wasn't this? |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-25-07 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
84. It doesn't necessarily mean "nazi" - he could be a chopper enthusiast. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-26-07 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
89. Are you sure it wasn't a West Coast Choppers sticker? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-27-07 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
92. "A Nazi, Hilter lovin GERMAN CROSS!!!" maybe, maybe not. |
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