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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:50 PM
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The Hunt for John Wilkes Booth on right now
I really want to see the Redskins vs Minnesota, but I'm drawn to this show.

sometimes I think America hasn't really grown that much -- we always invariably resort to violence and what ever it takes as long as "our" side wins.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:51 PM
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1. I saw it last week.
They get him.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:52 PM
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3. ah, the obligatory smart ass comment
:nuke:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:52 PM
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2. they kill him, Midori
prepare yourself
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:53 PM
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4. are you and Mr. Slayer soul mates?
:hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:54 PM
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5. well, MrSlayer is a twisted f***, like me
so, yes :hi:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 09:25 PM
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6. WTF?!? I thought they caught him over a century ago!
This isn't like the Whitewater investigation, is it?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 09:51 PM
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7. it wasn't funny the other two times
why would your "revelation" be funny now?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 01:54 AM
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19. there's always smart asses who think they are somehow above it all and
superior to us mere mortals :)
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:12 PM
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8. The ramifications of what Booth did that night in Ford's Theater
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 10:22 PM by rasputin1952
are still haunting this nation.

I would never go so far as to say there would have been a phenomenal change in either the North or the South immediately following the War, but w/the death of Lincoln, the South fared far worse than if he had lived.

Booth was essentially a coward. Being a "die hard" Confederate, one would think that in his 20's, (he was 26 when the assassination took place), he would have joined the Confederacy far earlier and actually put his boots where his mouth was; but like so many proponents of war, he simply chickened out, allowing many others to die while he stayed home and talked Parlor Claptrap, wowing those who would listen about how "just" States Rights was.

There was plenty of animosity by each part of the country toward each other, the South had been vanquished and torn to shreds, the North had a good portion of it's youth buried all over the place, and the Treasury was gone. When Booth pulled that trigger, he doomed the South for three generations...not until WWII did the South reach the same productivity it had before the CW started.
Many in the South secretly thought that Lincoln's death was just grand, but they were certainly smarter than the guy who actually said he was glad Lincoln was dead...just outside of Ford's Theater when he was being transfered across the street. That guy was nearly beaten to death in the street, and Lincoln wasn't even dead yet. Southerners knew they were doomed as soon as they heard the news, They knew they would get no quarter from the North, especially Radical Republicans. It can even be argued, that the KKK came into being because of the assassination, as it originally aimed it's violence at Federal troops that were occupying the South at the time, only later focusing on Blacks, Catholics and others.

Booth, believing himself to be a modern day Brutus, thought he could end "tyranny", instead, in one quick moment, he doomed the South to incredible poverty and there were few who were willing to help the South at that point. The 2nd Inaugural, with it's talk of, "malice toward none, and charity for all", was washed from the psyche of America. One shot, in the dark, changed a nation in a moment.

We've been paying for that shot for 142 years.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:17 PM
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9. it was amazing to see his journey during his "escape"
and you're right -- Booth was a bloody coward, and the South did lose out. Big Time.

I often wonder how things "may" have been :think:

Lincoln wasn't into "payback", as it were. And Johnson was an incompetent buffoon.

I came away feeling so very sorry for Dr. Mudd, however.

Did you know that Roger Mudd, the broadcaster, is a descendant?

:hi: Rasp. Always good to see you :loveya:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 11:08 PM
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15. Always glad to see you as well...
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 11:11 PM by rasputin1952
:loveya:

I had heard Roger Mudd was a descendant, after all, Mudd, is not exactly a common name, say like Smith or Jones. But I didn't know it for sure until I just read that from you. Mudd did what he was trained to do, he set a broken leg, and I think he was railroaded as well. Who would have thought that far into the future as to have a physician along the route to set a broken leg?

As Booth traveled South, most people were terrified to help him, as they already had heard what had been done, and he was no "David Berkowitz", he was a very popular figure of the time, and virtually everyone around the DC, NY, Baltimore area knew of him to some extent.

There is a small book titled, "The Day Lincoln Was Shot", might be out of print, but a good sized library might have a copy, it is a pretty small book, but it outlines everything that happened that day, and a little before, and the aftermath. It goes into some pretty good detail, what Lincoln did in his office that day, how the guard was chosen, they ride around DC by Lincoln and Mary. Footstep by footstep, it is an interesting read.

SGT Boston Corbett, another odd person in this tale, was a religious zealot who had castrated himself after determining that an act with a prostitute had condemned him to hell. His fellow soldiers thought he was nuts. He died an alcoholic in the West after getting people to buy him drinks, (a lot of them) as the "Man who shot John Wilkes Booth". He died a pauper, and a relatively unknown entity.

The others, Louis Powell, Mary Surratt, George Atzerodt, and David Harold, did not necessarily deserve the treatment they received either. Held in a stifling hold of an iron ship, with muffled bags over their heads was certainly cruel and unusual. The Military Court left a lot to be desired, as the verdict was in long before the "trial". Mrs. Surratt, while being a part of the conspiracy, did not deserve to be hung IMO. Her actions in the plot were minimal, and I'm not even sure if she believed these guys would actually pull this off. Her son, who was definitely in on the plot, took off to England, and a few years later returned to the US, and received a pardon...go figure.

Johnson tried to follow Lincoln's lead, but was crushed by Radical Republicans, one of the most powerful being Sec of War, Edwin Stanton, took on virtual dictatorial powers and managed the country from a room next to the one in which Lincoln was dying. A part of his quest for power resides in the fact that, On August 8, 1862 Stanton issued an order to "arrest and imprison any person or persons who may be engaged, by act, speech or writing, in discouraging volunteer enlistments, or in any way giving aid and comfort to the enemy, or in any other disloyal practice against the United States", (Sound familiar). Stanton was no better than what we have now, but he could get away with things because of the War. Fortunately, Lincoln circumvented most of this order, although his denying habeas corpus for most of the War, is still a highly contentious issue, one that I would have fought against.

One other thing, among the many that are so incredible of that era, and perhaps a shot at (forward) karma coming full circle; Robert Lincoln was saved in Jersey City, 1863, by Edwin Booth, JWB's brother when said Robert was about to fall on tracks in front of an oncoming train. Incredibly, Robert was invited to go to Ford's Theater that night, but declined. When Garfield was shot, he was Garfield's Sec of War, and he was an eyewitness to the shooting. Robert was also at the Pan-American Exposition in Buffalo, NY when McKinley was shot, but he did not witness that one. He died in 1926 after a pretty wild ride on Life's Roller-coaster.

LOL...I really love History, as if you couldn't tell...:D

:hug:

On edit: I had "Sam" Berkowitz...guess I was thinkig of "Son of Sam" when I wrote that...:blush:



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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:32 PM
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10. Let's catch the re-run, baby!1 n/t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:37 PM
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11. when does it come on?
I'd like to catch it, as I was flipping between that show and the Redskins.

:hi:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:48 PM
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14. YOUR time is MY time, Babe!1
It was SO funny: blm said, "Did you two finally get a room?!1"
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 11:16 PM
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16. It comes on again at 11 Central...
Midnight Eastern/9 Pacific.

I see this thread has brought out the Mery Pranksters...:P
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:42 PM
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12. What they didn't get him yet..................like Osama.
:hide:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:46 PM
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13. stupidity sure is rampant tonight
guess it's the holidays.....
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:12 AM
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17. I saw a short film about Booth on TCM last week that suggested he got away
It was an early docu-drama about a man who died in the early 1900s who claimed on his deathbed to be John Wilkes Booth. It then went back over what happened after Booth shot Lincoln, and suggested Booth was allowed to escape and another man was set up to die in his place in that barn. It was the first time I'd heard such a thing, and this short was from the 1940s! There were conspiracy theorists even then....
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 01:52 AM
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18. I found it very interesting and found out things about the manhunt for Booth I didn't know
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