What can marijuana do for you?

[unapatriciated]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=atMQzRFvCIY

Pato Banton - Legalize It!

Yes man! Legalize it! Decriminalize it!
And I man Mr. Banton will advertise it... Sensimelia!

Me send a letter to the residence of the president
with a stamp on the front saying very urgent.
The message inside went something like: Legalize it! Sensimelia!

Sensimelia is a herb that grows naturally
just like any other plant or tree.
Natural as the birds, natural as the bees
and just like them sensi ought to be: Free!
To be grown anywhere that we please
in the city in the town and in the country. Free!
In the hills and in the valley
sensi should be there for everyone to see.

To call sensi a drug is very absurd
it should be known as a natural herb.
So much diseases sensi has cured
that's why doctors use it all round the world.
For glaucoma and fever, rheumatism, arthritis and asthma
insomnia, emphysema and to block epileptic seizure.
To alleviate pain and nausea
associated with the AIDS and cancer.
Some say it is the best stress reliever
Lord knows I am believer.

Give me the ganja cookie, and the herbal tea.
Sensimelia is: Irie!
I don't care what no government say.
Sensimelia is: OK!

Legalize it! Yes man legalize it now!

We want legalization, decriminalization and emancipation
for all those sentenced to incarceration for participation
with the healing of the nation.
It's just another case of political insanity
abusing the rights of humanity.
But we should all plant a seed of this weed that we need
to avoid an ecological calamity.
We can use for paper to save some trees
use it for fuel to save some seas.
Use it for medicines to help fight diseases
and use it for food when we hungry.

Legalize it! Fe we medication.
Legalize it! Lord fe we meditation.
Legalize it! Woe throughout the nation.
Legalize it! Yes we sensimelia.

Yes! From downing street to D. C.
time to paint the white house green.
You know what I mean... Scene!

[Drum]

1. Ask not what marijuana will do for you...

...but...what will you do for marijuana?? :P


Great song and post...recommended. :smoke:

[tekisui]

2. Legalize the Sacred Herb and My Dear Friend.

[Alexander]

3. Obama, Dodd and Kucinich will decriminalize it.

None of the other Democrats will, although Edwards, Richardson and Clinton have said they'll allow medical MJ patients to keep using.

That leaves Biden. The guy who brought us the Drug Czar and the RAVE Act.

I wonder where he stands. :eyes:

[madeline_con]

10. decriminalization would do less damage to

availability and quality, IMO. Get :hi:

[Alexander]

14. Well I prefer legalizing it. But only Gravel agrees with me on that.

And I'm not voting for him.

[Beam Me Up]

19. Kucinich has indicated he would consider it.

I don't have a link but back before he declared for the '04 election a friend and I asked him in person (he was giving a presentation in Berkeley CA) and his indication was he would consider it but not psychedelics. This wasn't recorded.

[unapatriciated]

25. Wrong! refer to my answer down thread

[dysfunctional press]

23. do you have a link for Obama's stand on it?

i haven't seen anything that says he would work to decriminalize pot...:shrug:

[Alexander]

50. Obama has said he would decriminalize "soft drugs". Here's proof.

And I have yet to find a single human being who would dare call marijuana anything other than a "soft drug".

Here's the evidence you requested.

THE MCLAUGHLIN GROUP HOST: JOHN MCLAUGHLIN PANEL: PATRICK BUCHANAN, MSNBC; ELEANOR CLIFT, NEWSWEEK; TONY BLANKLEY, THE WASHINGTON TIMES; MORT ZUCKERMAN, U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT TAPED: FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2007 BROADCAST: WEEKEND OF SEPTEMBER 29-30, 2007

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Democrat Barack Obama said Friday that as president he would relax drug sentencing laws in the justice system as part of his crime policy, doubtless because the decriminalization of drugs, especially soft drugs like marijuana and Ecstasy, would greatly reduce that population."

[dysfunctional press]

61. you are misreading that quote- which isn't even a quote from barack-

"MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Democrat Barack Obama said Friday that as president he would relax drug sentencing laws in the justice system as part of his crime policy, doubtless because the decriminalization of drugs, especially soft drugs like marijuana and Ecstasy, would greatly reduce that population."

the part in italics is what obama is quoted as saying by mclaughlin- the second part, in bold, seems to be conjecture on the part of mclaughlin, not something stated by obama. and as far as relaxing drug sentencing laws- obama could have been referring to easing the sentencing for crack verus that of powder cocaine- which recently passed into law anyway, but wasn't when this article was written.

[Alexander]

78. Fine. Here's more evidence, since you're too lazy to do the work yourself.

Here's Obama speaking out in favor of medical marijuana if prescribed by a doctor.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/18/obama-docs-know-best-on-_n_77423.html

And here's the debate with Tim Russert, where it was only John Edwards who openly disagreed with Chris Dodd's stance.

"RUSSERT: Senator Dodd, you went on the Bill Maher show last month and said that you were for decriminalizing marijuana. Is there anyone here who disagrees with Senator Dodd in decriminalization marijuana?

RUSSERT: Senator Edwards? Why?

EDWARDS: Because I think it sends the wrong signal to young people. And I think the president of the United States has a responsibility to ensure that we’re sending the right signals to young people.

DODD: Can I respond, I mean just why I think it ought to be? We’re locking up too many people in our system here today. We’ve got mandatory minimum sentences that are filling our jails with people who don’t belong there. My idea is to decriminalize this, reduce that problem here. We’ve gone from 800,000 to 2 million people in our penal institutions in this country. We’ve go to get a lot smarter about this issue than we are, and as president, I’d try and achieve that."

According to a September 13, 2007 issue of Reno News & Review, "Barack Obama sponsored an amendment in the senate to stop the raids ."

And just in case you felt like arguing further, here's Obama saying so himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGzHgcrK75c&feature=related

"The worst thing we can do is to lock them up" when referring to non-violent drug offenders.

Satisfied?

[dysfunctional press]

82. if only edwards disagreed with dodd-

why do you say that the others don't want to decriminalize it?

and- "The worst thing we can do is to lock them up" does NOT equate to decriminalization.

also- i did look for info on his stance- for starters, i read completely thru his website, and the issue isn't addressed at all. i also found other sites that give conflicting views of what his position is- i could not find anything definitive.

[Alexander]

92. Maybe because Edwards raised his hand first?

Obviously there was a non-verbal gesture that Tim Russert picked up on. Is that such a difficult concept?

"and- "The worst thing we can do is to lock them up" does NOT equate to decriminalization."

Did you even watch the YouTube video at all? He later mentions that first-time offenders, particularly young adults (he even said 18-19 year olds) need treatment and diversion programs.

Go to NORML's website, and look at the state laws. The states they labeled as "decriminalized" do the exact same thing - ticketable offense for the first time or small amounts and jail time for repeat offenses, bringing weed around schools and being caught with several ounces (intent to distribute).

Why on earth do you ask for links or sources if you are too lazy to bother reading and looking at them?

"also- i did look for info on his stance- for starters, i read completely thru his website, and the issue isn't addressed at all."

Maybe because he feels other issues take precedence?

"i also found other sites that give conflicting views of what his position is- i could not find anything definitive."

All the websites I found which said he was "opposed" to decriminalization are rather poorly sourced and don't point to any words by Senator Obama himself. I'm reading between the lines here in assuming that those sites are BS until I am shown otherwise.

[dysfunctional press]

94. you're reading between the lines to determine barack's opinion as well...

and NORML disagrees with your version:

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7411

November 1, 2007 - Philadelphia, PA, USA

Philadelphia, PA: Democratic Presidential frontrunners Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Barack Obama (D-IL), and former Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) oppose decriminalizing marijuana so Americans who use pot recreationally would no longer face arrest and imprisonment.

Appearing at this week’s Democratic Presidential debate at Drexel University, all three candidates indicated that they opposed decriminalizing the possession and use of marijuana for adults...

[crikkett]

134. You'd think Edwards would be the most sympathetic

since his wife is a cancer patient. But he's got to shit on someone to look tough, doesn't he, and who cares about a bunch of criminals anyway?

(sarcasm)

[superkia]

28. Those who dont want it legalized understand the money it...

brings in, they don't care that people are smoking it, they just care that the CIA continues to be the company that imports it and handles the profits. I like how they can create the so called droughts that happen and when it happens, only the most expensive, good shit is available ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. There is always a reason like bad winter, lost crops or something but the expensive good shit is never affected by the cold or whatever they say it was.

Another reason I like DK.

[orleans]

117. maybe if we all promise to purchase it only on our credit cards biden

will be all for legalizing it

and then--hey--if we get into debt up to our eyeballs, well--joe won't care. just more money for his palls who lobbied for the bankruptcy bill joe loved enough to vote with the credit card companies

[madrchsod]

4. great for menopause..........

[donsu]

6. and that's the truth!

nt

[sazemisery]

8. I'll attest to that

and so would my husband. I would have been a real bitch without it.

[MelissaB]

43. How does it help menopause?

I'm 42 and need to know. :evilgrin:

[me b zola]

65. Helps with the mood swings

Smooth sailing. :)

[MelissaB]

68. Thanks!

:hi:

[Breeze54]

163. So does kicking the crap outta the bagboy calling me Ma'am!

:P

[silverweb]

5. Catchy tune, great lyrics.

Let's hope common sense prevails very soon. :thumbsup:

[malaise]

7. LOL

One of my friends chopped down one of his herb plant for his Christmas Tree. He's decorating it with lights.
He plans to 'light it up' with friends on New Year's Eve when he's hosting a party. :D Should be real fun up in those hills.

Gr.

[madeline_con]

9. I have a real problem with legalization...

on a large scale.

I know some people are allowed medical marijuana, which I understand is inferior, rope-quality hemp that's government grown. :puke:

I could be wrong, please let me know if I am. :)

Anyone who enjoys marijuana certainly would not want taxation, government regulation and government agricultural "standards" and subsidies applied to it! What a horror! :wow:

I say, smoke and let smoke, but be careful the man does not find you doing it. :smoke:

[havocmom]

11. Some people's jobs would be over if they ever got busted for possession

So, I would like to see it legal. Suffering from several conditions that it is really good for, 190 miles from medical care, and generally one to have really bad reactions to just about ANY Big Pharma product, I would really like some relief WITHOUT risking my husband's livelihood and upcoming pension.

I do better with herbal treatments and can now barely walk due to pain. Legal weed would probably improve my quality of life. But, Big Pharma would be out billion$ if we could take more natural, less troublesome treatments for what ails us.

And lots of big corporate employers would LOVE a chance to welch on pensions for their nearly-retired employees. Busted for possession would get lots of people so fucked as they reach retirement.

[madeline_con]

See my post # 10 n/t

[havocmom]

38. I did. Still want it legalized. Decriminalization would still leave wiggle room for zealot

brown shirt types in many companies and agencies.

Clear cut LEGAL is the only way to assure people will be treated fairly.

[EstimatedProphet]

15. That's a good point, one that I agree with

If it's legal, there goes drug testing. What's the point of testing for a legal drug? That would end a lot of the stigma.

[Alexander]

80. Employers could still test for legal drugs. They test for alcohol already.

It would be at the employer's discretion as to whether they want to hire/fire the individual or not.

[EstimatedProphet]

155. True, but it does take a lot of the force out of it.

[truedelphi]

93. Have you thought about DMSO?

It is sold legally as a machinery lubricant.

We were cleaning out the garage and found a pamphlet on it - it is cheap, obtainable usually at local hardware stores, and helps with everything from arthritis to bones that are deteriorating.
Some types of cancer are supposedly stopped by it as well.

Supposed to totally alleviate sinus pain, too. You apply it locally to the area of the body that troubles you.

I think google searches would tell you more if your are interested.

The FDA hates it, as it ruins prescription drugs' ability to separate the consumer from her or his money.

But they can't stop it from being sold.

[crikkett]

135. my grandmother (85 and no medicine! woo hoo!) swore by it

I remember her talking to her friends on her porch about it.

[truedelphi]

154. I hope I can emulate her. Great deal that - many seniors

Have so many meds, it is almost like a separate food group on the food pyramid.

Anyway I am going to be trying the DMSO for my sinuses. I hate the drowsiness of the anti-histamines

[Alexander]

12. Why do you have a problem with legalizing weed?

Of course, since the government needs to profit, it would be taxed and regulated if it were legalized.

I think of "legalizing" weed as making it as available and subject to regulation as alcohol. So do most.

I see no problem with this. Can you explain your reasoning?

[madeline_con]

13. Read the post. n/t

[Alexander]

16. I did. It explains nothing.

My question stands.

[madeline_con]

18. Taxation and governement standards would ruin the

availability and quality, IMO. Decriminalization is a better idea.

May I have this opinion, even if it differs from yours? :shrug:

[Downtown Hound]

24. You can have any opinion you want

but be sure that it's based in fact. Legalizing weed would in no way diminish the quality and would almost certainly bring the price down. The underground market is currently operating on fixed rates that have little or nothing to do with supply and demand. It's just that that's what people will pay for marijuana because they have no choice. They can't get it anywhere else. Legalization would change that.

[ThePowerofWill]

39. Oh yes it would.

If you really knew about weed you would know this. In the Netherlands where they have had de facto semi legalization for sometime have low quality grass compared to the USA.

Now, now, don't go off you rocker thinking i'm talking about mexi crap bricks, or half assed outdoor crap, but fine grown well selected grade A shit. The best is here in the North America(yes Canadians, you to) where it's illegal.

First if you knew the history of herb you would know first off every strain worth growing grown and sold commercially in the Netherlands originated in the US, and or Canada. Sk#1, Haze,blueBerry and Northern Lights are the building blocks of modern kind, and Dutch hybrids.Example would be Super Silver Haze, one of the Netherlands best offerings. It's made from NL#5xHaze x Sk#1xHaze. The best offerings from today come from the US and Canada still. Stuff like Sour Diesel, the Kushes from Cali, Deep Chunk, Sweet tooth.

Why do we produce better herb in illegal North America, than more or less legal Netherlands? Simple, once real heavy commercial interest were involved little to no work was done to improve taste, quality of high, length of high. While more emphasis was place on selection for yield, and short muddy highs. Yield made sure you got more out of the same space, thus maximizing revenue, short muddy highs did the same making you smoke more to get that good feeling.

Here in the land of illegality you just can't go to a shop and get great herb. You either need that killer connect, or do it for yourself. Thus you have many do it yourselfers doing their own little home breeding projects. in the process you have many more genetic lines going, more choice, and a less depressed gene pool. Also American do it yourselfers tend to go for taste, and potency above all else.

If that happened in the Netherlands under seemingly legal status, think what would happen once Monsanto got ahold of and bought up all the genetic rights. Then they would produce what benefited them, not you. I shudder to think of what Monsanto's Frankenstein herb would be like.

[alfredo]

41. thank Ag majors at your local university. They applied what they learned

to one of this state's top cash crop.

[Downtown Hound]

44. Snort. "If you really knew about weed." LOL

Let's see, I've been smoking it regularly for 16 years, ever since I was 15. In that time I managed to graduate college, work for ABC, and am currently working on my second college degree in Information Technology. I'm not your typical dropout stoner.

I've grown my own crop before, and it turned out well. I campaigned for prop 215, the one that made medical marijuana legal in CA in the first place. I went to a college famous for its marijuana consumption, Humboldt State. In that time I met and hung out with more growers and dealers than you could probably imagine. Medical Growers, big time growers that had massive operations in the redwood forests, and just plain old college students like me that had a little crop in their closet. One of my dorm mates at HSU was a judge in the cannabis cup at Amsterdam, and according to him, there's plenty of great weed in the Netherlands. As I've never been there myself I'm not going to make comparisons, but his opinion has been backed up by plenty of other people I know that have been there. Like I said in another post, I lived with a woman that had a medical card, and I was exposed to all kinds of tasty treats. I think I know a thing or two about marijuana.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and let's say I really believe you about the quality of weed in the Netherlands (which I don't), there are a whole bunch of factors that can contribute to that. First of all, as you yourself pointed out, it's only quasi-legal there. I'm talking about outright legalization in the states. There is no way, and I repeat, NO WAY, that if it was suddenly legal here in the states that all of us stoners that have grown accustomed to high quality herb on the streets would settle for anything less in the stores. If the stuff you got in the stores was crap, we would grow our own and sell it to those that demanded higher quality. And if you're going to say we can't do that, then we're not talking about full legalization, are we? We'd be talking about a government manipulation aimed at getting control of the market for its own purposes, and if that's what's you're going to say would happen, then I would still be buying it illegally and nothing would really change except that I could get crap weed from the supermarket easily whenever all of my dealers were dry.

Second of all, the United States, and California in particular, is some of the best soil in the world for farming. Northern California, with it's thousands of square miles of redwood forests, is a perfect location to grow weed. The climate is right, and the trees provide ample protection from the piggies when they come whirling around in their helicopters. Generation after generation of crops being grown there by hippies and others have produced a strain of crops that's very high in quality. That will not disappear overnight if it was to become legal, and to suggest otherwise is paranoid bullshit.

Think of American beer. American beer is widely considered to be crap when judged next to the world's best beers. And if they're only talking about Budweiser, Coors, and Miller, I'd have to agree. There's that Frankenbeer you're so afraid of. But are those the only beers that America makes? Not by a long shot. There's a huge micro-brewery industry in America, and they produce beers that rival the best in the world. So even if the big evil corporations got their hands on the weed and saturated the market with crap, a smaller, more eclectic market would no doubt satisfy the needs of the more discerning stoners.

But my belief is that once weed is legalized, I think you will see lots of enterprising farmers jumping at the chance to create the newest, greatest strain and make a shitload of money doing it. Now if you're going to try and tell me that as the marijuana companies got bigger and more corporate, then they would resort to cost cutting measures like producing more quantity for less quality, then I'm going to go back to my micro-brewery defense. There's always going to be people that demand high quality weed, just as there are people that demand high quality wine, high quality beer, and high quality whiskey. If there is a demand for something, there will be a market for it. Whether it's legal or illegal, the market will fill the demand.

[ThePowerofWill]

48. Oh i'll assure you my weed credential out do yours.

Try growing and breeding for 25yrs working with folks like Sam the Skunk man, Steve Tuck, Breeder Steve, Chimera, and many others. . As well as doing things like being the in house breeder for places like the former JohnnyReeferSeeds, and TreatingYourself.com, countless trips to the Netherlands for 420 celebrations, and Cannabis cups, as well as North American style harvest festivals. You can add original member, and mentor for the former Overgrow.com.

And ah seeds and plants are not like brewing beer. Once Monsanto gets the chance they will buy the rights to all, or the largest part of the gene pool, and start suing those who try to buck them. Not to mention how they like to sneak that death gene into everything that makes them sterile.

*edit for spelling

Put the w in front of the h in how, got who which spellcheck of course did not catch.

[Downtown Hound]

52. You can't buy the rights to every possible strand

To suggest you can is ridiculous. That's like saying Coca Cola could buy up the rights to every possible soda mixture out there. There's an infinite amount of potential strands out there. And even if they did, like I said above, people would just go back to growing their own. You're not really talking about legalization. You're talking about biotechnology rights. That's a whole different issue.

Tell me, with all your experience growing, are you just afraid that legalization could put you out of business, and that's what you're really afraid of? As much as I want to see weed legalized, I am absolutely convinced it would devastate the economy of places like Humboldt County, a place that I love. I've noticed that some growers are very afraid of legalization, and so they spread out paranoid propaganda like you're doing about how if it was legalized then you'd never get good weed again. What a bunch of horseshit.

[ThePowerofWill]

54. You don't need the mall.

You just need the right ones. Look most of the herb from the last 30yrs comes from 4 strains, those being Sk#1, Haze, Northern Lights, and Blueberry. If you just add 3-4 more to the mix of strains bought you would have a case agaist the greatest majority of strains available today. Also those 4 varieties cover the genes of several countries ans continents. Sk#1 is made of a Mexican, a Colombian, and Afghan. Haze has Colombian, Indian, Thai, and Mexican. Nl is a combination of various Afghans, and Thais, Blueberry covers Thai, Mexican, and Afghani. Others like KC-33 use Brazillian, and Pakistani genes.

Look at the larger seed world, and look at the damage Monsanto has done.

[Downtown Hound]

57. Once again, a separate issue from pot legalization

The issues you're talking about are much bigger and have a far greater reach than whether or not pot is legalized. If marijuana becomes legal only to Monsanto to use as they see fit, then we're not really talking about true legalization are we? We're talking about a system that allows the very fabric of life to become a commodity. That should be opposed, but it she be opposed on a large scale that applies to all animal and plant genes, not just marijuana.

When I speak of the legalization of marijuana, I'm talking about the right to grow it in your home as you see fit, and buy whatever strain you want from the most whacked out, hippie grower you can find. I'm not talking about giving it away to Monsanto or anybody else. If that happens then there really is no point in legalizing it, because it's not really legal.

[ThePowerofWill]

59. I never said i was against legalization.

Go look you won't find it anywhere. I just made remarks about the damage that could occur in the gene pool. Which is very interesting to a breeder of cannabis.

[ThePowerofWill]

62. Had to add this.

I have never made a dime from selling herb, or seeds. I have given to medical patients, and worked through JohnnyReeferSeeds, and TreatingYourself.com to provide free high quality medical seeds to those who can't afford to buy them.

I provided herb to patients of Autism, Glacoma, Cancer, Crohns, and HIV. It cost me money to do it. I did it because i enjoy doing both growing herb and helping folks out. I make my money from my day job at the dock thank you.

You can thank the DEA for putting us out of buisness.

[grytpype]

149. You can't buy the rights to something that's already in the public domain

because no one owns the rights so there's no one to buy the rights from

once something's been on sale in the US for a year, it can't be patented

so all our precious weed strains are quite safe

[Alexander]

53. Of course, legalizing weed would demand legalizing private growing.

Otherwise there's no point.

So yes, I still think legalizing is better than decrim, in terms of crime, prison population, price, quality and availability.

And my opinion is based on facts.

[Downtown Hound]

56. Exactly.

Turning weed over to the corporations and only the corporations is not true legalization.

[ThePowerofWill]

60. But look at how vegatables and grains are handled.

99% of whats available are frankenstein plants. Big companies hold the major amount of genes, and often force growers to use their stock.

This needs to be undone.On your posted point we agree. i have nothing against legalisation, i have however been at war with Monsanto for a long time.

[Downtown Hound]

64. If you want an ally in your war against Monsanto, count me in

But pot has a little too much of a colorful history I think for any corporation to just walk in and buy it up if it ever becomes legal. Too many diversified interests and tastes. Monsanto and other bioengineering firms get away with what they do to food because most people don't notice the difference in taste when they eat it. People would definitely notice the difference in the quality of their weed when they smoked it if it was watered down, genetically engineered crap.

And the only way Monsanto would ever truly be able to permanently damage the gene pool of cannabis is if they outlawed private growing. And once again, if they did that, then no one could truly call what we have the legalization of weed. More like the corporatization of weed.

[eridani]

99. But there is an extensive heirloom seed movement in opposition--

--which is NOT illegal.

[grytpype]

148. Can I be your friend????

:hi:

[madeline_con]

70. Do you think those who wanted homegrown could keep their

grow rooms? No way! It would be just like alcohol and tobacco, with strict controls on who could grow and how much. "Boootleggers" would be imprisoned.

[Downtown Hound]

77. You can brew your own beer

And given that people have been home growing weed for a long time, if it became legal, you'd see an explosion in home growing the likes of which would make it impossible for the government to reverse.

And as I have said several times already, if isn't legal to grow your own weed, then it isn't truly legal. So when I talk about legalization, I mean the ability to grow it yourself.

[madeline_con]

89. Maybe an explosion would occur.

It would be hard to reverse it and make everyone stop.

[Elidor]

158. It's possible to brew your own beer, distill your own whiskey

It's the "selling it to other people" part that ATF is interested in enforcing.

Btw, you're very wrong in thinking that medical marijuana is low-grade dope-rope. It's bought from private growers who are very passionate about what they do. It puts dirt weed to shame.

[madeline_con]

69. Thanks for a word from Quality Control! n/t

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

85. Fuck if I care. If it was legal, I'd just buy shitty weed and make hash/oil

or budder out of it (If I could figure out a good way to do the last one)

[ellisonz]

120. You win!

:smoke: :toast: :donut:

[pitohui]

95. say what? better herb in the usa than in netherlands? oh please

i take it you have spouted off without having actually visited amsterdam

this has got to be the joke post of all time, kudos sir for your contribution, i have seldom read more hilarious in all my years on the internet

[crikkett]

137. are you sure the lack of innovation isn't about capitalism vs. socialism

and the level of competitiveness among the people of the two (okay three) lands?

:hide:

I'm not worried at all!

I think you're right, once industrial-agricultural interests get hold of weed (you don't think they're not researching it already?) the vast majority of wal-mart shoppers will purchase an overhyped, mediocre product, but there will still be a market for innovative, home-grown stuff. Can you imagine the contests on Food Network?

The US was really into microbrews in the 90s, even after generations of drinking watery beers pushed out by behemoth brewers (to the point where some microbreweries did well enough to get bought up by said behemoths). Before and after the fad there were fans of good beer who sought out the good stuff.

[fascisthunter]

138. No It Wouldn't...

You'll just pay extra for high grade and then there is still that possibility of home growing.

[grytpype]

147. If you say so... the strongest weed I ever had was in Amsterdam

two puffs and I was way too high

[Alexander]

49. Your opinion is based in fallacies and illogical reasoning.

So yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but when you provide zero evidence or documentation to back up your opinion, we are entitled to laugh at your ignorance.

[unapatriciated]

20. So let me correct you

medical marijuana is not grown by the government nor is it an inferior product, my son will tell you it is cheaper and better than street pot (he has a medical use card) chemo patients do less of this :puke: because of the herb.

I think anyone who enjoys marijuana would support taxation, government regulation and government agricultural "standards" and subsidies applied to it! To the alternative of prison
What a horror!
:wow:

I say, smoke and let smoke and legalize it. :smoke: :hippie:

[Asgaya Dihi]

26. My guess is you're talking about different supplies

There's the State legal medical marijuana such as in California, that tends to be good quality because it's grown by those who care and use the stuff. Then there's those very few surviving legacy medical users who are supplied by the Federal government, courts grandfathered them in under an old program and wouldn't let the feds cut them off. That stuff tends to be pretty low quality, same problem as we have with what we're offered for research when it's allowed. Rather than letting researchers grow their own they are given what amounts to a trash supply complete with stems and seeds, and by the rules it is distributed under it can't even be cleaned to remove the trash. Test and use as is.

It's not that the feds don't have better, from my understanding they do. That's just what they allow us to study in most cases, and for a half dozen or so surviving legacy users of the Federal program to use.

[unapatriciated]

29. thanks for the Info

I am referring to California medical use laws and suppliers.

It looks like the program you mentioned is fading-thank the gods

[Downtown Hound]

30. The federal program is ancient and archaic

It's the last remnant of an old court battle fought long ago and like you said, has only a few surviving recipients. Medical marijuana as people talk about it today has nothing to do with it, and neither does the issue of legalization. True legalization done in the free market sense wouldn't resemble anything even approaching the federal equivalent of kicking down a handful of schwag weed to a few people that won a court case decades ago. It's a totally different ballgame.

[Asgaya Dihi]

32. Personally I'd agree

If it's legalized I'd guess it would be much higher quality than the feds have offered. So far they have got away with it mostly because much of the public doesn't know better, they don't understand the problems with testing stems and seeds and claiming it has much to do with the effects of marijuana as it's actually used, or they don't even realize that's what we've been doing. I don't see how legalization happens without better awareness though and with awareness those types of tricks would be harder to pull off.

So far too few have asked WTF they think they are doing. That's changing though, there's been a fight over recent years to let researchers grow their own to test. They could use some support from anyone interested in the subject.

[lame54]

34. Actually the feds leave the stems and the seeds for testing...

and keep the good stuff for themselves
cops have the best dope

[lame54]

35. prohibition video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tXQgdKQDDws

[Asgaya Dihi]

40. Nice vid, you might like these

Along the same train of thought, these are from Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Group of cops who got tired of the extra damage we've been taking in a failed effort and decided to speak out about it. I've exchanged mail with Jack a couple of times and had a long talk with Peter, both in the vids above, and a few with their speakers coordinator, good bunch who are pretty aware of what's going on out there and working on the public relations end to spread that awareness.

http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4678B9CFC5F515C2

If you're into reform vids I could point you to a couple of people who post a lot of them, Dean Becker from the Drug Truth Network is online as well as a handful of others.

[madeline_con]

71. Thank you for the info.

And for not being snarky about it. It's been a while since I've read High Times.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Downtown Hound]

22. Medical marijuana is by no means crap weed

The clubs in CA have some of the best marijuana on the planet. I had a roommate that had a medical card, and she would come home with stuff that I never knew existed, and this is coming from somebody that lived in Humboldt County for five years. One memorable strand was called Halloween, it was black with orange hairs. Black weed? I had to see it to believe it, but there it was. A few hits of that sutff would knock you on your ass. All other strands are readily available at the clubs. White Widow, Bubble Gum, Romulan, Train Wreck, Purple Haze, Grapefruit, you name it. They have it.

As for taxation and government regulation, I say, BRING IT ON! Street marijuana is already grossly overpriced. If marijuana was legalized it could be produced in such huge quantities, not only for recreational consumption but for industrial uses as well, that the competition between growers would inevitably drive the price down. And even if it was taxed, and taxed extensively, it would still be cheaper than buying it on the street. Think of tobacco. A pack of cigarettes for five dollars, and much of that already goes towards taxes. Plus, you could grow your own if you didn't want to pay the fees.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

27. Hemp is not Pot...

The gov. is growing some high quality stuff.

other than that, you got it right.

De-criminalize.

[Ghost in the Machine]

33. I'll have to respectfully disagree with this...

I had an old friend stop by last week and she brought some 'medicinal' marijuana from California. Some of the best I've seen in a longggg time..

They called it 'California Blue Cheesecake'

As for the government regulations, I think if they legalized it, taxed it and controlled the industry just like the alcohol and tobacco industries that it wouldn't harm the quality of it one bit... unless they started using synthetic seeds.

I personally would gladly pay whatever taxes it was to be able to walk into a store and buy a pack of Acapulco Golds or Panama Reds or Purple Afghanistan Spliffs or Jamaican or hell, just some good ole homegrown. It would also help create thousands of jobs in many industries including agriculture, equipment sales & service, retail, wholesale, packaging, printing, warehousing, etc.

FREE THE WEED!!

Ghost

[madeline_con]

73. I'll go along with the jobs thing, BUT

what happens if growing at home is still illegal, and the weed goes the way of spinach, and is contaminated by toxic pesticide, for instance, instead of e.coli?

That would SO suck!

[Downtown Hound]

79. Just so you know

A LOT of weed is contaminated by pesticide. You just have no way of knowing this because it's grown in secret and there's no accountability. Another argument for legalization. With legal products they are required by law to let you know what ingredients are in it.

[Blue_In_AK]

37. I think it should be treated like any other green, leafy vegetable...

Spinach, for instance. If you want to buy your spinach at the store and pay a sales tax (where there is one), fine, but if you want to grow your own, that's fine, too.

I'm fortunate to live in a state with a very enlightened view towards the noble herb. Thanks to the very strong privacy provisions in our state constitution and the decision of Ravin versus State (Alaska 1975), it is legal to possess up to an ounce here for personal consumption and up to 25 plants. Possession of between one and four ounces is a misdemeanor, I believe, but final determination on that is still with the courts.

[ixion]

42. marijuana prohibition has caused far more trouble than it has prevented

it's a naturally occuring substance that is non-toxic, non-lethal, non-physically addictive. To legalize it would take money away from organized crime, and stop ruining the lives of non-violent, otherwise law-abiding, hard-working citizens.

There is no reason in the world why is should be illegal.

[Bennyboy]

75. In CA we have medical pot and...

You can go into the shop and buy all kinds, types, strains and products.

If it were legal I think it would beocme like the wine indusrty. everyone would grow it differently and have their own brand...Certain regions would become known for the varities of pot that grew there.....

[Pastiche423]

76. You are wrong

At least in my state.

In Oregon there are two entities for medical marijuana.

The grower is called the caretaker. They grow the plant from seeds (not from the government).

The user is called the patient.

The caretaker can not sell the marijuana. He must give it to a designated patient.

The marijuana I get from my caretaker is excellent quality.

[RadiationTherapy]

84. Let's legalize first

and protect many hard working families from losing their assets and each other. Let's protect young people caught with MJ from losing their chances at aid for college. Let's find ways to capitalize upon this crop and improve our country's infrastructure. Let's release and train the 1000s and 1000s of non-violent prison dwellers busted for MJ possession. Let's get straights to feel ok about having this drug reside alongside alcohol, caffeine and cigarettes.

After that, I am willing to fight for quality, non-GMOs, etc.

[Stardust]

116. Trust me: The medical MJ here in Cali is definitely, decidely not inferior.

[unpossibles]

133. I disagree

From what I have heard and read, the medical marijuana is not necessarily that bad, and not always government grown anyway. Rope hemp will not get you high at all as it has very low amounts of THC and other active ingredients, from what I understand.

Also, I would rather see it taxes and regulated than have people thrown in jail for it any day. Ideally, if it were legal you could grow your own, but even if that were not true (a la booze - you're not allowed to have your own still), at least it would probably be safer. Sure, most pot is completely fine and safe, but there are some unscrupulous people out there who will not think twice about doing something f'd up to increase their profit, such as spraying it with windex or other things to make it heavier. I know this because I I know someone who did stuff like that and would brag about ripping people off. He's not a friend and I wanted nothing to do with him, and frankly someone eventually did turn him in after getting ripped off, but....

Government standards and regulations should not be feared unless Republicans are in charge, which is like letting a person who hates automobiles drive your car.

[proud patriot]

17. Cool Tune

logical message .

[Fly by night]

21. ... makes you poetic. That's a good thing ....

[msongs]

31. ummm, when it's lega you can GROW your own and dispense with criminials & government nt

[lame54]

36. I DON'T SELL DRUGS...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmZOLcOhvcM
Fire up your last bongload
Call and I'll help reload
I'll give you a good price
Hell, I'll even barter
But, don't request anything that's harder

And don't ask me for herion
X, cocaine or speed
'Cause I don't sell drugs
I sell weed

Middle of the night my phone will ring
Hopin' it's not another sting
It's just another sketcher
Who's afraid to fall asleep
Sorry I don't carry what you need

I'm givin' the people what they want
Not what they need
"cause I don't sell drugs
I sell weed
So don't ask me for heroin
X, cocaine or speed
"Cause I don't sell drugs
I sell Weed

[windoe]

45. Herbs are divided into 3 categories

safe, specific use and doseage, and poisons. I am not a pharmacist but suspect the pills are also divided such.
Safe examples are mint, sage, hops, valerian, rose, ect.
Specific use and doseage examples are comfrey, black cohosh, and ginseng. Cannibis is a specific use and doseage herb -- just as long as surgeons (ack!), pilots, and operators of heavy machinery do not use it, all is well. This is where it gets sticky--everyone knows there are some people and places where this herb is inappropriate, so in order for legalization to work, there would have to be some parameters.
Poisons are digitalis, opium, belladonna, ect.

[Diamond Dave]

46. Must decriminalize marijuana.

The year before Rudy was elected mayor, the NYPD made 720 arrests for marijuana misdemeanors.
In the year 2000 under Rudy, that figure was 59,945.

[Bennyboy]

47. Look what it does for this guy!!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mVqzhKtsH5c

[unapatriciated]

51. yeah I noticed the bling on his fingers too.

[pleah]

55. It would be nice if it were legal.

I can't even remember what its like anymore. sigh!

[Cobalt-60]

58. arrive on time. :)

[B Calm]

63. It's a great aphrodisiac

[Rex]

66. Make you hungry?

Make your teeth stick to your gums so you have that stupid ass grin on your face and need liquid ASAP.

[unapatriciated]

67. another plus for Chemo patients like my son

without any nasty side effects

[pleah]

74. Also, anorexia.

[Echo In Light]

72. Chomsky talks about Marijuana....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioUd3NHRM9o

"Proceeds the Weedian, Nazareth"

[unapatriciated]

81. Chomsky makes a good point

when did he give this lecture?
I first heard this song seven years ago.

[RadiationTherapy]

88. We ride and we ride and we NEVER SUBSIDE

We'll ride til the planets collide!!

And if you say that we do not ride; I'll tear your fucking hide-

RIDE!!

[Echo In Light]

119. "Man, you guys changed peoples lives tonight!" lol

[RadiationTherapy]

142. I stay up going FUCK!

Why can't everybody fuckin' have it?

Cause this is the thing...
Some people learn it on the streets.
Some people learn it in the schools.
Me and K.G., we were fucking born with it, homes...

Check it out.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. Nothing. I haven't smoked it in many, many years. And guess what? I still think it should be legal.

It's fucking ridiculous that it isn't. Legalize it, regulate it, tax it when it is sold retail. (And yes, let people grow up to a certain amount without being taxed, just as people can home-brew a certain amount of beer every month.)

The drug war is a sham, a waste, and a joke.

[unapatriciated]

90. That means you are in good health

glad to hear that.

[Warren DeMontague]

115. Oh, don't get me started on that. Using our tax dollars to keep chemo grannies from eating brownies

meanwhile, we can't seem to keep lead out of the toys we import from china. But if someone wants to alleviate the pain of a cancer patient with THC, all of a sudden there are billions of dollars worth of regulatory enthusiasm at the swat-team-kick-the-fucking-doors-down ready.

Hmmmm... Maybe if someone told the Administration that people were using lead-tainted thomas tank engine toys to get high or unmarried women were using all that poisoned wheat gluten for birth control, the glassy-eyed Jesus freaks they've put in charge of the FDA might give a flying fuck about the crap they're letting in the country for a cheap buck.

It's maddening.

And yeah, if I got sick, you're fucking A I wouldn't appreciate the DEA or Bill Frist trying to tell me which medications I could put in my OWN body.

But, for the record, I think pot should be legal for recreational use, too. :hippie:

[unapatriciated]

126. damn I miss California

My son lives in northern cali and goes to the Art Institute of San Francisco. His medical marijuana enables him to function with the pain and it doesn't have the nasty side effects of vi codeine

[RedCappedBandit]

86. The war on drugs in general..

has caused more problems than it has prevented.

In my opinion, I should be able to do whatever I want with my own body, so long as I am not infringing on anybody else's rights.

[Subdivisions]

87. Great for dealing with the Christmas crowds! n/t

[Stump]

91. It is illegal to possess a plant...

How freakin' ridiculous is that? I don't even smoke and think it's a complete waste of tax-dollars and police efforts on curbing the Ganja. I've been to many a parties and observed many a fist-fights, but always two drunks, never saw two high people fight. Argue over pizza or cookies maybe. :rofl:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

96. You mean sensimilla? n/t

[NNadir]

97. Except for making me lazy and stupid...not much.

Been there, done that.

[unapatriciated]

98. so just because you have been there done that

and it made you lazy and stupid, we all should have to suffer the unjust laws regarding it?

[NNadir]

101. Um. That wasn't the question. Let me help you with the question.

The question was, "What can marijuana do for you?"

I answered the question.

Saying that you don't approve of drug use - and I don't - doesn't mean that you are in favor of drug laws.

[unapatriciated]

104. silly me

it was meant to be a rhetorical question-the song was to explain what it can do for you. I for one don't care if you approve, all I care is it made Chemo tolerable for my son and helps him endure his daily pain. He is disabled and is able to attend college and keep a 3.8 average. Not everyone becomes stupid and lazy because they use marijuana. I'm glad to hear you are not in favor of drug laws.

[sasquatch]

100. How can Asthma be treated with marjuana?

:shrug:

[unapatriciated]

105. here is one study

I found many for and one against.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/tashkin/tashkin1.htm

[wildbilln864]

102. Marijuana. One of God's greatest gifts to mankind!

It stops glaucoma in it's tracks and is the only thing that will.
And apparently it stops cancer!

Jack Herer
The oil from the seeds could replace diesel fuel.
The fibers can replace almost all plastics and paper and be used for textiles.
And houses can be built completely from hemp/marijuana/canabis!

Those corporations profiting from the industries above will fight tooth and nail to keep it illegal IMHO.

[wildbilln864]

103. Did I mention it may also...

improve brain function? :shrug:

[killbotfactory]

113. and may help prevent alzheimers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm

[harmonicon]

106. stupid shit like this is what makes the "legalize it" crowd a laughing stock

[Downtown Hound]

108. Care to elaborate

instead of just throwing a grenade and running? Exactly what makes us a laughingstock?

[harmonicon]

111. haven't you noticed that you (and I, i.e. "we") are?

No one wants to legalize something because it gets people high or is "totally awesome", and arguments about what it can do medically are also silly when they come from the same sources (it's like saying oxycontin is an important pain killer...... and it can get you totally wasted, dude!). It should at least be decriminalized, because we're locking up loads of people for non-violent crimes and ruining their lives. I think a real argument would be that people are stupid and are going to do stupid shit like get high, but it's no reason to ruin their lives and their family's well-being. People shouldn't be allowed to drive or go to work while they're stoned, just like they shouldn't do so drunk, and penalties for doing so should be very severe. These are the kind of arguments that might sway public opinion. Perhaps it's been done, but compiling figures about how many tax dollars are spent on police hours devoted to marijuana offenses, prosecution and imprisonment and making that very public might also work.

More importantly, hemp cultivation shouldn't be illegal. It's like throwing someone's brother in jail for a crime did.... hemp can't even get you high. It could be a source of bio-fuels, paper, fiber for clothing, etc. Perhaps more importantly it would be a great crop for thousands of our nation's farmers who are in desperate straits now.

[killbotfactory]

112. If you don't think it has valid medical uses, you don't know what you are talking about

end of story.

[harmonicon]

114. Did I say that?

I don't know if it has valid medical uses, because neither myself or anyone I know has had to use it for those reasons. My point was that arguments for it as part of medical treatment seem false when they come from the same sources as people who are arguing for using it to get high.

[unapatriciated]

157. you are fortunate never too have suffered through Chemo ...

or have to watch how it devastates a loved one. I do not share your good fortune. Before my son became ill I had the same opinion. I saw firsthand how it eased his nausea and enabled him to keep food down. I saw how it eased his pain so he could get out of bed. He spent ten years on Methotraxite, cyclorsporin, prednisone and many others to combat the numerous side effect of those three drugs sometimes very high dosages . The pharmaceutical drugs he was prescribed for pain and nausea did not work as well and had many nasty side effects of their own. I posted this vid because I know it has medicinal benefits not because I want to get high (but that is a nicer side effect than heart failure).

[harmonicon]

160. unfortunately I have, and I'm sorry that you had to go through that too

These are the kind of arguments that should be made, but these people with T-shirts with pot leaves on them and Graffix bong stickers in their car windows jump on that band wagon and screw it all up. It's something like having a swingers club advocate for teaching something other than abstinence-only sex ed - doesn't get the right message across.

[Echo In Light]

123. I'd go a major step beyond and suggest legalization regardless of "medicinal" potential

The govt can keep its nose outta peoples business. Ya know, small govt, like rethugs are supposed to be in favor of...

[Downtown Hound]

161. I dare you to say that the medical arguments for it are silly

to Aids and Cancer patients that use it. Go ahead try it, and see what they have to say. Until you do that, I advise you to refrain from making snap judgments about something that you yourself admit to not knowing much about.

And guess what? I like to get high, and I'm not stupid. I'm quite intelligent and successful in my life.

[unapatriciated]

159. did you read every post and than laugh at their pain?

Yes some on here want it legal for recreational use and there is nothing wrong with that. But many have stated how it has helped them manage pain. Until you have walked in my son's shoes or the shoes of many other Chemo patients, please do not judge us.


edited for spelling errors

[Prophet 451]

107. Quite right

It seems the most obvious thing in the world, legalise it (subject to the same regulations as alcohol). Used responsibly, there's no reason cannabis should be illegal.

[killbotfactory]

109. It's extremely safe and has many thereputic effects

it should be completely legal. Anyone who wants to lock up other people, or ruin their lives in other ways, for using a drug that's less dangerous than coffee is a complete asshole.

[Occam Bandage]

110. Inflict a life-long addiction

to marijuana advocacy.

[Danf1990]

152. legalize it all

I personaly think we should legalize all of the drugs. People are going to continue to do them. We could tax the hell out of them and free up all of our prisons, make the drugs safe and free of taint and fillers. Also it would definetly put the dealers out of business. Why not?

[Occam Bandage]

156. I disagree with "all," and I think marijuana is more harmful than

helpful for most, but I do believe it ought be legalized, regulated and taxed. Same goes for prostitution.

[michaz]

118. No! Tell this to the family that lost their daughter in a car accident because...

the driver was under the influence of marijuana! Just what we need, another problem like we have with drinking and driving. If it alters the mind and inhibits reflexes and judgment, it doesn't seem like a good idea to me! Don't do drugs and don't ever intend to.

[Echo In Light]

122. As with anything, the standard shouldn't be dictated by the smallest percentage

Not that the Powers That Be give two shits about whatever harm stems from any type of drug us {hell, just look to the FDA to find that} but, just as they do with the phony "war on terror," they'll use that minority scenario to booga! booga! everyone into accepting anti-democratic measures.

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

124. Too bad that studies have shown people who drive high drive normally if not a little slower.

From everything I've read, it is mostly psychological as far as reflexes go. However alcohol create PHYSICAL barriers when it comes to reaction times, etc.

Besides, most people don't drive high alone (as it's pointless and a waste), and if you're with others, it's most likely having several potentially distracting people dicking around that is going to get you in an accident.

[Echo In Light]

127. It's one of those things that's nigh impossible to explain to someone whose never been there...

And only go on what official propaganda has instructed them to believe about an issue they haven't any firsthand experience with.

[Speed8098]

128. Proof Please

Tell this to the family that lost their daughter in a car accident because the driver was under the influence of marijuana!

Please show me documented evidence that this has EVER happened.

Keep in mind you are talking with a 30 year smoker so leave the propaganda out of it. I want to see actual proof that someone who was high ONLY on weed caused an accident that killed someone.

Don't do drugs and don't ever intend to

I would call that a personal choice, but if you drink alcohol your statement is not the truth. Alcohol is a far worse drug than marijuana ever could be.

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

143. Also make sure that it wasn't just in their system.

When they do drug tests, they can pick up metabolites even if the person hasn't smoked in 5 (or more) days.

[crikkett]

144. Outlaw your major theme parks - the roller coasters are too much of a thrill

and they're disorienting, altering the mind and inhibiting reflexes and judgement. Oooh, and a little girl got hurt in one last year, it happens every year you know. Don't get me started about how the E tickets are cynically priced higher just because the ride is more fun!

No fair!


Look I'm sorry that someone you knew died in a car wreck and that the driver was high when it happened. It's not an excuse to get all Mirth Control over the entire world.

[Jamastiene]

121. Everything.

It would take less time to say what it will not do for me. It will not let me get a job that requires piss testing. That is all. Everything else is negotiable and possible through the herb, Mary Jane.

[Quantess]

125. I despise weed

but it makes no sense that it's illegal. Actually, it does make sense, to pharmaceutical companies.

[liberal hypnotist]

129. Reefer will drive you mad!

Have you seen the documentary "Reefer Madness". It explains why this mind snatching drug was ban in the first place.

Any researchers have any info on the why and how of the original law banning this deadly herb?

Of course, even with the information supplied in above mentioned Doc, I would support medical use and recreational use. Simply because-why not?

As a non-smoker, I refuse to put any smoke in my lungs if I can avoid it.

[Speed8098]

130. This is a joke, right?

Have you seen the documentary "Reefer Madness". It explains why this mind snatching drug was ban in the first place.

If it isn't then you should not be commenting on something you know nothing about.

Reefer Madness was the stupidist piece of propaganda ever to be published.

[Downtown Hound]

162. Yes, it's a joke. n/t

[Bennyboy]

131. Simply put....

marijuana (a term coined by William Randolph Hearst to demonize it by making it sound mexican)is illegal because of Hearst and The Dupont Chemical company.In 1936 there became a way for hemp fibre to be turned to newsprint and other uses. This process did not exist before.

Hearst, who owned the timber rights to the pacific Northwest and Dupont, who had just invened nylon, saw that hemp would threaten their holdings.

Up until this time hemp had been the crop for Americans. the Declaration of Independence, The Bill of rights etc, hd been printed on hemp paper. But there was no way to mass produce the fibres until the new process was invented.

Hearst, with the help of Dupont, published many articles and editorials, in his own newspapers,about the dangers of marijuana. he also funded such idiotic movies like Reefer Madness and many others, all demonizing the plant.

This is kid of a rough overview. For more info go here and read a little. http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

[Froward69]

132. not to worry eventually

the rest of the country will see decriminalization will occur just like it has been done here.
http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=82924
http://lpcolorado.blogs.com/lpcolorado/2007/12/medical-marijua.html

[madokie]

136. It does wonders for the pain of PAD

Of this I know for a fact;-)

[fascisthunter]

139. Wow! Look at This Thread... You, You Pot Heads!!!!!

can I join ya, bra? :smoke:

[Yurovsky]

140. Funny how you can take a few simple seeds ...

and grow enough MJ to get you put away for the rest of your natural life.

I simply cannot grasp the level of evil it takes for one human to CAGE another human for something so natural that rarely, if ever, impacts the "offended" party. Hard to think of mankind as "civilized" when this goes on in this modern day and age.

[Siyahamba]

141. But it's ILLEGAL!

Oh wait, this isn't an immigration thread!

:rofl:

[downindixie]

145. Abraham says it best

"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attemps to control a man's appetite by legislation,and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes"

Abraham Lincoln

[carly denise pt deux]

146. I don't smoke, but I believe it should be legalized

I think it should be legalized, why not? Alcohol is legal, and alcohol has very little, if no medical use at all, it's addictive, so is tobacco, why not???

It makes me sick to see how rich the pharmaceutical companies are getting because of the use of pain pills, prescribed in droves, priced to the max...pot is a plant, natural, made by mother nature or God or whoever your supreme being of choice, and those people on those expensive pain meds are hooked and broke, it's a nasty cycle. Free the weed!
Carly

[undergroundpanther]

150. The Herb of Lady Bast..

http://www.prntrkmt.org/divine/kmt/bast.html

[Danf1990]

151. amen brother

Ill spark one up in honor of that lovely epitaph

[sarcasmo]

153. Kick

[lame54]

164. Pot is addictive - ask this guy...

[mdmc]

165. kick

for the madness