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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:27 PM
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Who Obstructed Justice?..."who in the Bush Administration knowlingly lied to a Federal Judge"

Who Obstructed Justice?

by Larry Johnson
Fri Dec 21st, 2007 at 12:50:00 PM EST

The key question surrounding torture tape gate is not who authorized the destruction of the tapes in 2005. Nope. The real priority is who in the Bush Administration knowlingly lied to a Federal Judge in the spring of 2003.

The fun started on 7 May 2003 during a CIPA (i.e., Classified Information Procedures Act) hearing presided over by Judge Leonie Brinkema. She ordered the government to determine if interrogations of suspected terrorists were recorded. Two days later, 9 May 2003, Judge Leonie Brinkema asked, “whether the interrogations are being recorded in any format”? The Department of Justice, based on info from the CIA, said “NO”. (see p. 4 of letter to Federal Judges by U.S. attorneys Novak and Raskin).

There are at least two felonies here–obstruction of justice and lying to a federal law enforcement official. Someone who worked for John Ashcroft, the Attorney General at the time, certainly was in touch with the U.S. Attorneys who fielded this question from Judge Brinkema. And the Department of Justice asked the C.I.A. I will bet you dollars to donuts that the White House also was in the loop on this. At least Harriet Miers, Gonzo, and Addington. Who would they talk to at the CIA?

George Tenet, Director? Yes. CIA General Counsel? Certainly. The guy in charge of spies in the field–the DDO Jim Pavitt? Probably. This was not some obscure legal point. This was a high priority matter. Someone (or several someones, i.e. a conspiracy) at the CIA or the Department of Justice lied. And Federal Judges like Brinkema don’t like being lied to. Gives them a case of the cherry ass.

When the CIA affirms to the court in November of 2005 that there are no tapes, that may have been a true statement at the time. If the tapes were destroyed in June or July then it was a factual statement. The real crime starts in 2003. Funny, but then Deputy Director of the CIA, John McLaughlin, has been quiet as a church mouse of late. Ditto for Tenet and Pavitt. With reason. Someone lied.


"If they do pursue it, they will open a Pandora's box that will put the spotlight on whether the interrogations were lawful, and the extent to which they have been fully revealed by federal officials," Zaid said in an interview.

News of the investigation came amid continuing controversy over the CIA's destruction of videotapes, which recorded interrogations of Abu Zubaida and another CIA prisoner. The CIA disclosed earlier this month that videotapes were destroyed in 2005, and the Justice Department and CIA inspector general have launched a preliminary inquiry.

President Bush yesterday declined to say whether he thinks the CIA acted responsibly by destroying the tapes, while a House committee accelerated its own investigation of the episode and subpoenaed the CIA official who reportedly ordered the destruction.
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"I'm going to reserve judgment until I find out the full facts," Bush said. Noting the multiple investigations now opened, he added: "Until these inquiries are complete, until the oversights are finished, then I will be rendering no opinion from the podium."

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Open it! Fear of openning a Pandora's Box is no reason to avoid an investigation. In this case are they afraid they'll find more crimes? Similarly with retroactive telecomm immunity, which is designed to guarantee protection against lawsuits. Why? Because the immunity telcomms already have doesn't protect them if they knowingly broke the law. Wouldn't want to go down the slippery slope of prosecuting criminals and lawbreakers. Unbelievable.

As for Bush, he's just tripping over the lies: Administration: Destroying CIA tapes didn't violate order



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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:33 PM
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1. So, here we go again on the merry-go-round of White House lies and cover-ups
...while congress pretends to investigate and get to the bottom of things all the time ignoring evidence and turning a blind eye. This, the American people once again get screwed! :wtf:
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:34 PM
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2. I don't know, this could be the straw that broke the camels back so to speak... n/t
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:41 PM
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10. ROFL
:rofl:

Yep. Yet again!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:39 PM
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3. K&R
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:51 PM
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4. K & R. Impeachment gaining momentum too, as the BS just gets deeper and deeper
new revelations really impose a conspiracy interpretation---because of who all knew and either lied or kept silent over many years now. Three CIA directors, three AGs now, etc..., albeit a lot of musical chairs.

Albeit not everyone in the Administration had a role, the highest members of Team Bush are involved very aplenty.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:09 PM
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7. we HAVE to call and DEMAND it...and take it out of cyberspace
and into the MAIN PRESS and, well, everywhere!

http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com


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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:47 PM
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11. 126,326
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:33 PM
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5. All of them lie.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:08 PM
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6. Prosense...sorry but...you may want to
change your title. It's not "Who obstructed justice". IT's really "Is there anyone in the Bush admin who HASN"T obstructed justice".

I think we could give that person a prize if such a person exists.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:23 PM
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8. And they say that like it's a bad thing.
Who obstructed justice? Around here, it's expected.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:19 PM
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9. When talking about the bushitler maladministration it is easier to ask "Who has not lied?"
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