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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:12 AM
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Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Thursday , December 20, 2007
WASHINGTON —

The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:15 AM
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1. source?
thanks.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:34 AM
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5. via Raw Story
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:16 AM
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2. Interesting.... I wonder what's going to happen with this...
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:25 AM
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3. ahhhh, a page from the Cheney Book of Int'l Law....butttttttt
Helluva good thought, and I applaud the symbolism...BUT Had the poor fellow who thought this up received a decent education he would have known that to abrogate treaties one generally has to have been the winner, or at present the stronger of the parties to the treaty. A quick look around the Rosebud Reservation will quickly make one awares that the Lakota meet neither of the forgoing requirements.

The USA did a good job on the American Indian, they will eventually disappear, slowly, very slowly and painfully. When all are gone we will celebrate their great contibutions, perhaps a holiday, or even a coin, definitely more postage stamps!

as an aside: most are unawares that the average Mexican citizen has more 'Indian' blood(DNA) than the average registered American Indian in the USA! True. I believe you can register with the Bureau of Indian Affairs with a minimum of 1/8th.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:05 PM
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24. A better look around the Lakota reservations will tell you that they
are NOT going to "eventually disappear, slowly, very slowly and painfully." Not the Lakota I know, which is a great number of them, on several reservations.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:31 AM
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4. I'm worried that's going to get ugly.
Look at how we freaked out about Cuba going Communist, and that was 90 miles away. What happens if the Lakota sign treaties with them, or Iran? Anyway, I commend them for remembering what courage is, and for standing up for themselves. We need more of that today.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:03 AM
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14. Nobody cares about people pretending to have a country.
Give this a year. The IRS will jail some people for tax evasion and no one else will notice this happened. Having a country doesn't mean a thing if you are the only person who believes it. Google "Republic of Minerva" for more information.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:16 AM
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16. That's assuming they don't put up a fight.
It also assumes our government won't try to make an example of them. This isn't just a handful of survivalists declaring themselves independent. And I'm from Florida, we have the Conch Republic.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:35 AM
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6. I hope somebody's doing a documentary on this.
It would be interesting to see how this plays out.

K&R
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:41 AM
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7. How long does it take to become a resident of Wyoming?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:48 AM
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8. Priceless. nt
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:52 AM
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9. If they're not US citizens, I think I'll join them. Why shouldn't they void
US treaties, Bush has done it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:52 AM
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10. Russell Means is a misogynist asshole who hangs w/Republicans when it suits his own agenda.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 09:55 AM by cryingshame
If he and his cronies are behind this, I must admit my initial reaction is to be deeply wary.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:55 AM
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12. Yes, he is, and
you have good reason to be deeply wary.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:56 AM
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13. It just struck me. If Lakota secede THEY CANNOT VOTE. And NA's tend to vote DEMOCRATIC!
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:15 AM
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15. Well, they used to vote Dem, but
they got behind repub John Thune and helped him beat Tom Dashle.

My sister-in-law from the Pine Ridge area helps count votes, and she said that the repubs challenged lots of NA Dem voters during the election and tried to oversee the entire voting process till they were told to butt out. The night before the election, the repubs had a big banquet for the Native Americans on the res, and promised them all sorts of perks. That's how Daschle, a true friend to NAs and their cause, was ousted.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:35 AM
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17. I'd be interested to know what number Lakota agree with this. Not only would they lose vote
they probably lose any claims to money Fed owes them.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:47 AM
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23. The Lakota members of my family
dislike Means and AIM, and always have. So do my dozen or so Lakota friends. I don't know how many Lakota would actually support Means in this, but I have a feeling not many. It's just a feeling, based on nothing substantial. Time will tell, I guess.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:48 AM
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25. So, most Lakota are assimilationist and want to be just another impoverished rural Midwest group
And get money from gov't and casinos, Right?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:54 AM
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11. OK, now what are they going to do? Hunt buffalo and...
live in teepees?

Yes, they have been screwed for over 400 years since our ancestors decided they wanted the land, but most of our ancestors had their lands stolen by other ancestors. It took a long time to figure out this wasn't the best way to go.

Time to move on. Use all that energy to get venture capital for real businesses, get money to send their kids to school...

Wouldn't it be neat if when you said you had an Indian doctor, or hired an Indian scientist, you meant...

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:40 AM
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19. live in teepees?- racist much?
You expect them to get venture capital? how? they have all but been wiped off of the earth by the white man's genocide.

Maybe they just do not want to play with the US government anymore. They were around long before the USA and maybe they just do not want to have their name dragged down. Maybe they hate the government (rightly so).

As far as the "hunt buffalo and live in teepee" rascist remarks go, we can all do without that. Thanks
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:41 AM
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20. Help them spend their money. Isn't that what Bush sent Abramoff to do?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:42 AM
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21. One word: casinos
casinos+ no taxes= huge profits
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:36 AM
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18. go indians...go indians nt
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:44 AM
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22. Awesome!
any ICBM silos on their land? that could heat things up
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:23 AM
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26. Have any leaders of the Lakota tribes weighed in?
Russ Means, a Republican/Libertarian, has run repeatedly for the Presidency of the Oglala Sioux, but has always lost. Looks like he and the three other members of his delegation might be speaking with authority they don't have.
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