I believe this fire today shows that bushco is going down

[madokie]

desperate people do desperate things and my friends this is desperation of the highest order

Also my bet would be on all the docs recently ruled to be produced will be victims of this fire, enough to make the rest worthless as evidence.

[tridim]

1. It does seem symbolic doesn't it.

Let's see if they somehow manage to squelch the investigation.

[aquart]

2. Nancy, they're burning DC, will you impeach NOW?

[helderheid]

4. I believe they burned the table that impeachment wasn't on. n/t

[aquart]

13. LOL!

[Libby2]

16. LOL! Yep, I saw it on the balcony.

[NV Whino]

26. No they rescued it and put it on the balcony

It's really important to save the table that impeachment isn't on.

[JuniperLea]

30. Duzy alert!

If any post is worthy, this is!!!

[helderheid]

34. Oh, thanks!

:blush:

[GreenPartyVoter]

44. !!!!

:spray: :rofl: :applause:

[malaise]

45. The DUzy of the week

:rofl:

[leftofthedial]

55. yep

the table is now smoke.

[ClayZ]

71. I thought the same thing! "Nancy Pelosi's Table"...

I still think we should all send her forks. "Stick a fork in it... IT IS DONE."

Impeachment Forks!

[Joe Fields]

75. Give Leno a call. I hear he's in desperate need of good material.

[helderheid]

82. :P

You're sweet!

[liberalnurse]

9. Let's send her a message..........

before all the evidence is gone and the witnesses are mute.

[rodeodance]

11. ha ha good one

[Wizard777]

85. Nancy is waiting for We The People to burn DC. n/t

[bdamomma]

90. exactly, that is what she is waiting for, or is she waiting for

November 2008? I think it is the latter. Too late by then.

[K Gardner]

33. I thought it was VERY symbolic, too. Not sure why I'm reminded of the epic scene

of the burning of Atlanta in "Gone With the Wind". :nuke:

[LakeSamish706]

3. OK, and how do you suppose that they are "Going down"? At this point...

I sure don't see them going down.... Danger to all living things might be the fraise of the day though... These people, if they are desperate are also very dangerous because they will do anything, anything to hold onto there power.

[Virginia Dare]

6. One word: ANTHRAX...

it's been clear since 2001 they will do anything to get their way. I know most of the people here are way past fed up, the question is, when will the rest of the country be?

[madokie]

10. have you noticed the news of late has a lot of news that was lacking for 7 years

news that is not flatering of the bushco crew, that fact is proof to me that Americans are waking up and when they do it will be kadie bar the door for the criminal cabal. I believe in America and what she stands for.

[Virginia Dare]

14. I think we may have found our patriot here..

A federal judge has ordered a hearing on whether the Bush administration violated a court order by destroying CIA interrogation videos of suspected terrorists.

U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy rejected calls from the Justice Department to stay out of the matter. He ordered lawyers to appear before him Friday morning.

In June 2005, Kennedy ordered the administration to safeguard “all evidence and information regarding the torture, mistreatment, and abuse of detainees now at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay.”

[jgraz]

69. Damn. Is that not the judgiest looking judge you'e ever seen?

I would not want to get on his bad side.

[AndyA]

15. You are so very right.

We are hearing things in the media today that we would have never heard 6 years ago. But there's still a lot not being reported. As Americans continue to turn away from Bush/Cheney, and as their suspicions grow that things aren't right, the media will have to continue a trend of reporting the "bad news" in order to keep viewers. Without viewers, they have nothing.

So...it will be interesting to see exactly what story finally tosses the cart over. If people suspect that fires are being intentionally set to destroy evidence that would be bad for the Bush Administration, that might be the final straw.

[madokie]

23. its rare that an illegal enterprise of any size is able to continue forever

something always does them in. Well this is a rather large illegal enterprise and it is going to be impossible now for them to keep the truth suppressed like they have up to recently. bushco is going down
Let the parties begin bring out the bands and get this partee underway

IMO of course;-)

[tabasco]

31. Smilie-palooza!! Yayaah!

They're awesome!!

[superkia]

67. Remember, the system isnt going to give the power back to the...

people without putting up a nasty illegal battle. I'm not sure I would say it would be party time yet.

[defendandprotect]

18. The news, IMO, is loosening up because the $$ is shifting to Dems . . .

and the MSM will have new asses to kiss after November ---

PLUS, MSM gets 80% of the campaign funds raised for ads ---

[madokie]

27. it really doesn't at this point in time matter the reason, it only matters its happening

information to the masses will sink and is sinking the bushco cabal. Americans for the most part don't like being taken advantage of like so many have for this whole nightmare of a maladministration. eyes wide open ahead

[defendandprotect]

29. I think it does matter . . . we would be fooling ourselves if we presumed that

MSM/corporate is supporting values and ideals of a democratic people's government --

Americans have been "taken advantage" of due to the absence of a free press over the last decades ---
a "free press" in the hands of corporate monopolies.

It is the internet which has preserved seven years of truth-telling which is now occasionally being told on MSM.

Understanding the MSM lies of the past should make you more able to understand the lies/reality of the present.

Let's hope MSM does continue its "loosening" --- however, don't depend upon it.
Keep yourself informed via the internet.

[madokie]

37. Yes I gave up on the m$m back this last summer

I had heard all the lies and spin I want to ever hear in the rest of my lifetime.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

76. CORPORATE MEDIA IS THE "ENEMY WITHIN"

MARK MY WORDS

[TheWatcher]

35. I wish that I could say MOST of the people here are fed up.

There are too many who would be so quick to shout down such sentiment and scream "Nut-Job!" "Conspiracy Theorist!" "Tin-Foil Hat!" "Boat-Rocker!" "Stop! You'll Make Us All LOOK BAD AND CRAZY to the rest of the country, then they won't vote in the Democrat who will continue to NOT serve our interests!"

Meanwhile, The BFEE, The Circus JOKE that is our government, continues.....Unabated, and Unpunished.

[TransitJohn]

5. But...

...who do we have that will hold them accountable?

[madokie]

8. we're to be soon to see

Its coming to a head, that I would bet on

[TheWatcher]

38. The better question is, who do we have that is in a POSITION to DO SOMETHING that will make them

Accountable.

I am afraid I don't have a positive answer for you.

[madokie]

42. but don't forget the power of a pissed off citizenry

as more comes out now the more that will come out and people are finally starting to set up and take notice as to what exactly these criminals have been up to and what they're hearing is not what they thought they believed in. theres nothing that says we the people of this country won't and/or aren't going to stand up and demand redress, its coming. It'll be sooner rather than later as I see it. IMO

[Generic Brad]

74. If we call them out they'll just demand we apologize to them

Sort of like if we were the NY Times reporting on the destruction of torture tapes.

[defendandprotect]

77. With JFK and Watergate . . . I think we were still presuming that someone would

investigate --- JFK got scarey as we realized this wasn't going to happen ---
but "never" wasn't in my mind. Many very talented private people/investigators
were working on it.

How we sat thru two more political assassinations --- RFK and MLK --- without
going into the streets I still don't understand at this point.

Even at the Watergate line, as the impeachment progressed and the info was understood,
who could have imagined that the whole thing would be stopped with a pardon ---
and we seem to all have sat still for that, as well???

So -- don't presume that something is going to get fixed down the line or tomorrow ---
the investigating has to happen NOW ---

IMPEACHMENT NOW --

[madokie]

79. you bet, tomorrow never comes

impeachment proceeding will commence today is what I want to hear from our congress critters

[fascisthunter]

70. . (nt)

[MuseRider]

7. This is a

"dog ate my homework" moment if I ever saw one. I can't imagine anyone will believe this was an accident. Well, I would like to imagine that. Still, does it matter if anyone believes them or not? At this point I don't think so, they are going nowhere. We might as well get used to them. NGU but.............

[madokie]

12. the show has already begun, too late to stop it now, bushco is going down

I do believe that

[MuseRider]

21. Your confidence

is inspiring. I would hug you now if I knew you :) so here :hug:.

I hope you are right with every ounce of my soul but I just can't go there anymore. Too many times have we said that and nothing, absolutely nothing ever came of it. We will get press pieces that say things about the poor administration lost their paperwork and have to do it all over again, sigh. The vast amount of the public will sigh along with them at our poor, overworked administration. Don't they have enough to do? Gosh, running two wars and trying to get the bad guys all over the planet, not to mention your neighborhood, is tough for even the best among us.

Sorry, I am inspired by your surety but not confident at all. This will become a massive Poor Bushies story and we will go on and most of the investigations will be stopped because of burned documents. Still, if you are right I will be thrilled and give you massive thumbs up for seeing it first.

[madokie]

24. thanks for the hug, I was needing it

more than you'll ever know. In all seriousness though I can't see how the bushco can continue and make it final the coup of 2000 so I hang on to any and all threads of hope I can. For a moment for us, the you's and the I's in the whole worlds sake lets hope I'm right this time, please let me be right is my wish, my big wish of all.
:hug:

[spanone]

17. and if the past proves anything, they will probably get away with it.

[yourout]

19. And there will be a Clinton to help bury the bodies.

[defendandprotect]

20. Agree -- but also think this shows backs to the wall on docs ---

[Ganja Ninja]

22. I think the fire will reflect badly on the GOP as a whole.

We can rule out any kind of meaningful investigation in to the cause so an already skeptical nation will be able to draw their own conclusions as to whats going on.

[madokie]

25. there has just been so much not favorable news come out of late

all of these little rulings here and words said there gives me confidence in that the days of the bushco terrorist is coming to an end. None too soon I might add too
we are going to win this one and in the end this country will be much the wiser and so much stronger, the remander of this decade and the next decade is going to be rather tumultuous is my prediction, America will win in the end too.

[Ezlivin]

28. Yeah, well some of us remember the rejoicing over "Fitzmas"

"The bastards are going down this time!"

Every single time I've heard that "they're going down" something else has come along that was bigger, badder and more outrageous.

They just up the ante each time, that's all.

We're overdue for a major terrorist attack. That's when they'll go all in.

[earth mom]

32. How many more "fires" like this one are we going to see around Washington DC?

Since most of Congress is complicit with these criminals after all.

And NO doubt they've thrown The Constitution into the fire too.

[BeHereNow]

36. I don't know if I see this as a desperate act- more of a message of "fuck you" from Cheney

I don't think Cheney ever feels desperate, more
arrogant in his power and mocking of our country than desperate
about being "caught."

I don't think for a MINUTE that the fire was any less
than a clear, "Don't even think about fucking with me"
message from Cheney.
That's just how I see the man.
I really do think he is THAT arrogant and dismissive of
any rule of law.

BHN

[Annces]

47. I agree

Cheney did this one way or the other. Frickin creep.

[bdamomma]

91. every criminal messes up and he will mess up.

[Karenina]

49. YUP.

[BeHereNow]

54. You and I agree on many things...

The arrogance and complete lawlessness
of Dick Cheney for instance.
Dick would never destroy evidence- he is not
afraid of being held accountable.
No, this was simply his way of saying
"fuck you."

We've been on DU together a long time, eh?

:hug:

BHN

[Karenina]

84. Indeed we do

and indeed we have!!! :hug:

[riverdeep]

39. With all due resect,

it's highly unlikely they're going down. After hearing this about everything from Jeff Gannon, to outing Valerie Plame, to Downing Street Memo's, to Bush admitting he planned to attack Iraq in March regardless of the UN, to pardoning Scooter, to the Gonzales Justice Department scandal, to starting an illegal war, wiretapping the nation, to the frighteningly incompetent way he and his staff dealt with the Israel/Palestine conflict in the summer of 2006 (waiting for a 'real' peace), to many, many other items any of which individually would have brought down a president in the past, you can forgive me for being skeptical.

Don't forget the Democrats' curious inclinations on covering his backside. No, the POS and his mafia will ride into the sunset, rich beyond all measure, untouchable by law. They will spread their venomous views into a new generation that will wait for another day, when the nation is again sleepy with apathy.

[BeHereNow]

40. See my post above. n/t

I agree with you.
BHN

[madokie]

43. trouble is the way I see it is if we don't make it right there never will be another time

when the nation is again sleepy with apathy, it'll be gone, those freedoms. I haven't gave up yet and doubt I ever will so fight on I must

[riverdeep]

51. Oh, I don't advocate giving up.

I just don't think that we will achieve the victory we are looking for, of our wildest dreams. Which strangely, in light of what the directives of the Constitution are, are not that wild. To me, that sort of victory would include consequences for everyone who deserves them. That includes any dems who co-conspired. Of course, it would include Bush, Cheney, Rice, Addington, Libby, Rove etc. on a chain gang under the heat of the unforgiving Mississippi sun. Like something out of 'Cool Hand Luke'. Or at least the Hague.;)

I think people are just content to wait it out, thinking once they are out of office our troubles with these sorts will end. We must do at least that, get them out of office. But they're not going away. Like cicadas, their cycle will come again, unless extinguished now.

[madokie]

56. I'm glad you're not giving up

cause we have a big problem on our hands and finally things are starting to look up and as it becomes more apparent it is looking up for us the more the criminal cabal become desperate and desperate people are dangerous.

[malaise]

48. They're going down

The system will take them down. Enjoy the ride.

[madokie]

50. There's no stopping it now

its out of the dick and w's hands now, they're not in control of their destiny any longer as they shouldn't be. the gray bar hotel is likely in both their near future.

[riverdeep]

53. Hell, I hope you're right.

And I've never wished to be more wrong.

[madokie]

59. as I see it there is no way they can walk free and we remain a democracy

a nation of laws not of men. There's just no two ways about it, so my bet is on the Constitution and us, all of us.

[WinkyDink]

41. "Heckuva job, Smokey!"

This story will be as ephemeral as the smoke.

[Mme. Defarge]

86. Brilliant!

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[WinkyDink]

46. (sorry for double-post.)

[AntiFascist]

52. Couldn't they just use a shredder, like Cheney did before? n/t

[DS1]

57. The SNL skit with the three possible outcomes of the election

becomes truer each and every damn day.

[lonestarnot]

58. Down down down into that rang of fiar! That Ring of Fire Social Distortion, and the late great

Johnnie Cash, song for the day.

[madokie]

60. here tiz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4402t_ugP3k

[lonestarnot]

63. Thanks Madoke! You ever heard it by Social Distortion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96x_FiQIB6E

[madokie]

78. last night and now agin this morning

me being an ole roc n rol'r I like this version much better than the original
:toast: to a great day :-)

[Lilith Velkor]

61. Yeah, somebody here said that about the NSA fire as well.

[Generator]

62. I heard they were toast too

with butter.

[Canuckistanian]

64. The bunker mentality

Makes this event not only desirable, but a necessity.

History will be harsh on this particular period.

The burning question is, "How long can they keep this up?"

[madokie]

65. as it should be, them for being crooks and us for allowing it to continue

there's a good day coming though

[proud patriot]

66. there's #5

I was thinking the same thing

[bonito]

68. Yes, I think you right, if it wasn't a diversion.

[rockybelt]

72. You know it wouldn't surprise me

if this idiotic, demented administration-Cheney- didn't try to say that the documents requested were in that office. Given the fact that this is a "symbolic" office and there are just nice furnishings there for photo-ops and never visited by the vp, if it weren't so tragic I would just laugh myself to tears.

You know that this evil son of a bitch keeps all of this stuff so he can get his jollies while bunkered down in his spider hole.

What an evil bastard. The devil is afraid to cross him

This last word is for all you mfers intercepting this post. Since this word is on your "list" I know it will take up some of your valueable time.

JIHAD

[Independent_Liberal]

73. Going down. Slowly, but surely.

[Perry Logan]

80. I sure hope they don't all kill themselves. That would be terrible.

[OneGrassRoot]

81. How, oh how, do we get the attention of the 80%?

To me, this isn't only about pulling the curtain back to expose Bushco's many crimes. We need accountability and justice to ensure that IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN, BY ANY ADMINISTRATION.

So many of the posters are understandably skeptical about Bushco paying for their crimes; do you have hope that it won't happen again in the future if something isn't done to hold them accountable, or do you indeed have hope that, once they're gone, the slate is essentially clean and we can get back to rebuilding America? If the system isn't broken wide open and exposed for the way it upholds criminality, I don't have a lot of hope that even democratic administrations will eventually fall into similar actions. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Cheney has arranged it so the executive branch nearly has absolute power.

In this age of the Internet, when people become famous (granted, for perhaps 15 minutes) with viral videos, why can't something solid and concrete take hold to get their attention? Is it because there's TOO much criminality and deception to wrap one's brain around with this administration?

How do we help the American people feel empowered - or enraged - enough to sit up and take notice and DO something? Again, it's not only about holding Bushco accountable - it's about taking back our democratic PROCESS so such monumental deceptions and constitutional offenses never happen again.

Is there a Bushco for Dummies video out there that leads the viewer through the facts - undeniable facts - in an entertaining way, set to music? That's how we get the attention of young children. Maybe a Schoolhouse Rocks version of Bushco's attacks on our Constitution.

I'm editing to acknowledge that the American public is more enthralled with Britney and Paris and the like rather than politics - or perhaps it's that this is what media is feeding us. Maybe a viral video spoofing and incorporating this would get attention.

[mwb970]

83. A video like you describe could change everything overnight.

IF it struck just the right chord at just the right time. Alas, there's no way to force something like that to happen.

[CJCRANE]

87. IMO

the people in the various bureaucracies have figured out that Bush-Cheney are taking them for a ride. That's why the intelligence agencies forced Cheney to release the NIE.

Of course there are Bush-Cheney cronies at the top of the various bureaucracies but we've seen examples like Wolfowitz at the World Bank and Bolton at the UN where in the end the mid-level managers and lower level staff make it pretty clear that they can't work with these guys.

I don't predict any major reckoning for the Bushcons but I can foresee less and less people following their orders until the administration simply grinds to a halt and there's nowhere for them to go but out.

[EFerrari]

88. That seems pretty accurate to me. n/t

[Initech]

89. I would like to think so.

But it seems nothing can take down these evil fuckers. I'm convinced the two could eat a live baby on television and the news networks would refer to it as "supporting the children".