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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-13-07 11:22 PM Original message |
TIME magazine blows holes in Republican tax-cut myth |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-13-07 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's like saying we get a pay increase every time we lower our wages |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Not really. It is possible to cut taxes and increase revenue |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. If you increase revenue while "cutting taxes"... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. The Laffer curve is qualitatively correct, just numerically useless |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
61. I'd say that your reply is right on the money. n/t |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Yeah, cutting taxes may increase revenues somewhere in the Andromeda galaxy, but not in this one. |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. One thing that is never talked about when Reagan lowered taxes is that it was raised in other ways. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. Most specifically... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. Reagan was one of the greatest con-artists the Western world... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. You mean simple-minded right-wing talking points aren't true? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
86. don't forget emotionally manipulative |
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simmonsj811 (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. KICK |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
5. KICK AND REC. Wow. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. With that reasoning, they could tax us at 0%... |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. We'd be awash with too much wealth. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. well a rising tide does raise all boats |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Fiscal conservatives |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Two ways to minimize tax revenue - tax rate of 0% or a rate of 100%. |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
8. kick and highly recommend! |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
10. In 1980, I was 16 & I could see that Reaganomics was bullshit. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. can you BELIEVE how many people fell for Reagan's crap? |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Look at it this way |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
11. I haven't read the article yet, but if a person has half a brain it doesn't |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
13. Reagans 2 biggest lies that keep going... |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. "deficits don't matter" is Cheney's lie, not Reagan's... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Nah! Reagan Shared it Too |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Well, I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. LOL! Very Good! |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. *snort* Thanks for the laugh! |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
14. Why do Republicans want to give government more money? |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Because the government is the mechanism to channel the money back to themselves. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Bingo! |
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AllegroRondo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
15. and the corollary - cut taxes to corporations, and they'll use it to expand and hire more people |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Better to ask "How many times did REAGAN say" it... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
17. It's only true when the tax rate is above some (arguable) "optimal" tax rate. |
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lfairban (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Thank you! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Exactly. It's also not new with Laffer. Von Mises and Keynes both noted the effect before Laffer. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
21. I Know Greg Mankiw |
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dtotire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Greg Mankiew |
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CT_Progressive (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
23. K&R |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
27. The Democrats have been running scared of the tax issue.. |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. The tried and proven way to increase rev. is through full employment, fair wages, benefits, etc. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Thirty years later, Laffer is still a damn fool |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. Reagan cut taxes, before he had to raise them with 'revenue enhancements' LOL ! |
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dtotire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
32. Jonathan Chait Has Written A Book |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
80. Crackpot GOP economics |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
33. Good...now if they would just put the article in Idiot Conservative Christian Weekly, then it might |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
37. LMAO! Have They Found Something Else to Blame on Clinton? |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
38. I think the best tax cuts can do |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
41. The People are the Source of Economic Health, not Individual Corporations |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. Reagan Voodoo "man" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
44. . . . |
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dtotire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
46. Post This Article on Free Republic |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. whose money is it anyway? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Okay. What spending will you cut? |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Excuse me? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. The problem, of course, |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. The basic difference between Repubs and Democrats... |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Stretch |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. And let me expound on that also... |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Now that we're building 'Permanent Bases' in Iraq, I'd guess it's IRAQI money ? ? |
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progressive_realist (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. I have some bad news for you |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. Well, no, actually, it's not necessarily "your money" |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. OK |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Most corporations don't pay any taxes |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Do I have a contract with you? |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 07:38 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Paranoid |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Too many Paulista knuckleheads of late |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. It's all good. eom :) |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. Then get out of Iraq, it will save a lot of money |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
53. VooDoo Economics, anyone ? Or just DooDoo Economics as *'s Council of Econ Advisors would call it |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
56. And who here didn't know this all along? I doubt that there are very |
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namvet73 (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
58. Yes and E = -mc^2 |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
60. "the tax cuts enacted during the past six years have not paid for themselves" |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #60 |
87. Tax cuts for the rich, then borrow and spend economics... |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. Kick! |
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Flagrante (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
63. It's not as simple as just increase vs. decrease |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Even that is an oversimplification |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
64. THIS is supposed to be a big Time revelation now? Where were they six years ago? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
66. You, you mean they lied to us? Again? |
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SlavesandBulldozers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. the surprises never cease ;) n/t |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
67. There was a news article a few years ago that tax revenues were the lowest % of GDP in *40 years*!!! |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
68. Of course, the tax cut itself, blows holes in itself. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
69. Inflation since BushCo took over has pretty much wiped out all middle class |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-14-07 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
73. There IS truth in the Laffer Curve! |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
77. I didn't need for them to blow the hole if you know what I mean. |
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ticktockman (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
82. The reasons for the phony argument that tax cuts pay for themselves |
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