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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:53 PM
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Bill Richardson to new Dem congress: "Move away from non-binding resolutions
and take a stand."
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:54 PM
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1. He just went to the top of my list.
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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:32 PM
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11. I was thinking exactly the same thing. I just love Al Gore, but
he's not likely to win and I didn't have another top candidate. Richardson is moving up!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:38 PM
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14. Clark is my fav but I don't know if he is running...so my whole field is WIDE OPEN...
Bill just may have a pink haired black woman fallin in love with him!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 02:57 PM
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2. bravo, bill.
take that, hillary
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:04 PM
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3. A Whole Month Wasted
Gave the Repukes fodder against us in the media, too.

Why can't the Democrats go for the jugular?

What are they afraid of?

Success?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:19 PM
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6. its 'be nice" and 'don't make too many waves" strategy!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:10 PM
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4. Time to go after bushco and the minority rethugs with legislation..........
that will provide REAL results. Richardson is a top contender!!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:15 PM
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5. what a panderer
He is sitting in a position where he can sit and fling poo at our Democratic leadership--as well as his opponents to attempt to make himself look good. Sad truth was, when it came down to nuts and bolts..he didn't stand for democracy. He showed what he is about.
Not impressive at all. But very predictable.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:22 PM
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8. I agree
everything I have seen on him in the last several days has turned me off.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:31 PM
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10. You have never had anything good to say about Richardson
What is predictable is your opinion of Richardson
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:32 PM
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12. What is predictable
is your hero-worship.:yawn:
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:34 PM
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13. Richardson is not one of my favorites but he is absolutely correct
on this issue.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:44 PM
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15. Show me his vote on the IWR
OH THAT'S RIGHT! He didn't have one. He just gets to pretend how he might have voted. Hindsight is 20/20 you know. He has no right making his campaign issue on something he didn't do himself.
That is one problem I have with any other candidate who didn't vote on the initial IWR. The ONLY one who has that moral authority to throw this shit in ANY CANDIDATES face is Kucinich or Feingold--of which I could support either.
You can sit on a stump all day now that we have seen the disaster that is Iraq and say you wouldn't have done this or you need to do that...but given the lies by the administration and the simple fact that Democrats couldn't have stopped the IWR regardless of which ones did or didn't vote for it.
Seems to be a problem in the Senate as well. We can't stop something we can't get the votes on. If we couldn't get enough Republicans to cross the aisle for a non-binding resolution...what makes you think we can stop this war?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:49 PM
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16. So he should just say nothing just because he didn't vote on the issue?
What kind of leadership would that be? I didn't vote on the War in Iraq but I agree with Richardson that non-binding resolutions are a waste of time. Why make this personal? It's about what our congress SHOULD do. I don't care who says it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:53 PM
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18. You think he should just get a soapbox and get to wag his finger?
Why doesn't HE come out with a plan of his own and slick it up and sell it to the American people instead of pointing fingers at a Congress whose hands are tied in the Senate?
He is right...no doubt. We NEED to get out of there. Tell me how we get the Republicans to agree? They aren't going to make their Boy King look bad. No way in hell.
But him wagging his fingers telling Congress to DO IT NOW when there isn't any way in hell they can does nothing but make the party look impotent.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:56 PM
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19. Would you rather him not say it?
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 03:59 PM by Quixote1818
Would you rather the Dem's keep putting together worthless legislation on the war and everyone keep quiet about it? That is the issue here not your hatred for Bill Richardson.

Edited to add: "on the war".
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:02 PM
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21. Would you rather him keep saying it?
Making our party look like we can't do anything in every sound bite on the evening news?
You tell me...how THIS Congress can stop this war? We have to get a solid group of defectors...and we don't have them.
I want this war stopped because my brother is getting ready to go back and I would rather he stay stateside.
You tell me how his finger wagging was effective (except for rallying some folks in this post)in stopping this war?
Personally...I'm tired of frivolous rhetoric that does NOTHING except panders for votes.
I want something with substance and this ain't it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:05 PM
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22. hey, he DOES have a plan
this statement was a one-liner at a presser. It's not a policy or a campaign. Besides, the issue is moot. Reid won't bring it up again, and said the day after this remark that he intended to move on. So . . .




Richardson has proposed a phased withdrawal of troops from Iraq by the end of 2007.

He said he's worried that the United States could still be embroiled in Iraq by the time a new president takes office in 2009 ''because the president's not listening. He's continuing to ask for an increase in troops.''

''The strategy seems to be full speed ahead, without reversing course,'' he said.
Richardson favors coupling a troop withdrawal with the ''political solution'' of a reconciliation conference involving Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds, as well as a dialogue with Syria and Iran.

''I think diplomacy is the only way to achieve a political solution in Iraq,'' he said. ''I don't think there's a military solution.''

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/aprichardsoniraq01-23-07.htm


CONCORD, N.H. Democratic presidential candidate Bill Richardson says President Bush needs to learn from recent diplomatic success with North Korean and engage in negotiations in the Middle East to end the Iraq war.
Richardson told a crowd in New Hampshire today that he hopes the president talks to Syria about Hezbollah and Iraq. And Richardson, New Mexico's governor, also says he hopes that Bush talks to Iran about interfering in Iraq.

Richardson, a former U-N ambassador who has negotiated with North Korea and Saddam Hussein, says his own Iraq plan combines diplomacy with a troop withdrawal by the end of 2007.

http://www.wluctv6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6101711&nav=menu134_2_6



Richardson, a former United Nations ambassador who has negotiated with North Korea and Saddam Hussein , said his own Iraq plan combines diplomacy with a troop withdrawal by the end of 2007.

Diplomacy would take two paths, he said. The United States should negotiate with Iraq's three main ethnic groups to set territorial boundaries and divide the government and control over oil.

"Not necessarily break up the country but I think possibly (create) three separate government entities," he said.

The United States also should lead talks with Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt to get their cooperation in securing and rebuilding Iraq.

"I believe that would at least give Iraq a chance to keep itself together and not be overrun by a sectarian conflict," he said.

On the same day the U.S. House passed a nonbinding resolution rebuking the president's decision to send more troops to Iraq, the former congressman said he would rather have seen Congress spend time working on a resolution to bring a real end to the war, instead of debating a symbolic measure.

http://www.wluctv6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6101711&nav=menu134_2_6

Richardson Proposed Solution

Iraq is in a state of civil war, and only they can stop it. Bush's policies have brought us to the point where we now have to choose between bad options and worse ones. We need to choose the path that will do the least damage to American national security—not the one that does the least damage to the President who created this catastrophe.

I agree with Senator Levin that our leverage is the withdrawal of our troops.

Once Iraq's leaders understand that our military presence in Iraq is neither permanent nor unconditional They are far more likely to take the political steps necessary to deal with their political crisis.

We should give the Iraqi cabinet the opportunity to discuss the details of our departure with us and to make suggestions, but we need to establish a 2007 departure date.

If the Iraqi government agrees, we should announce jointly that our mission is over, and that we will leave by the specified date. If they doon't agree, we should announce that date without them.

We should harbor no illusions. This withdrawal will not be pretty. People will die. But fewer will die than if we stay. There are no guarantees that our departure will end the civil war. But it is sure to continue so long as we stay.

The Iraqis might, or might not, resolve their political crisis. It is up to them. They distrust and fear one another, and this makes it very tough.

But they share one goal they don't want to destroy their own country. To save it, they need to stop killing each other and start compromising

And we need to get out of the way. And then we have a moral obligation to help.

Once we are on our way out, I believe we can be helpful in the following ways:

First, we should encourage national reconciliation talks.

Second, we should work with the Iraqis and the UN to convene a regional conference similar to the Dayton conference that produced a settlement in Yugoslavia. .

Third, the United States must lead the way on economic assistance for reconstruction. Working with the UN, the Europeans and other countries

And for our own security, we must return National Guard troops to their States, where they are needed, and redeploy troops to Afghanistan, to knock down the resurgent Taliban.

Redeployment from Iraq will help us rebuild our military, so we can negotiate from a position of strength with countries like Iran, Syria and North Korea. One thing the Bush administration has never understood is that diplomacy and military power are not alternatives to one another, but rather are complementary sources of strength. Because diplomacy without power is weak, and power without diplomacy is blind.
Conclusion

There are no quick or easy answers to the crisis in Iraq. Our choices are between bad options and worse ones.

Some prefer military escalation. Some choose staying the course. These options are illusions. The only realistic choice we have is to stand down militarily, and let the Iraqis stand up and face the political crisis which only they can resolve.

more: http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/issues/issues_iraq/
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:09 PM
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23. Then that is what needs to be on the news
not his snide comments towards Congress.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:10 PM
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24. I agree, but, like I said, it's moot. And this story is a few days old.
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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:19 PM
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7. Three cheers for Governor Bill !!!
Indeed, our reps play political games, making nice while real sons and daughters and moms and dads are getting killed in a war the whole world knows is illegal.

Take a stand - indeed.

BIND SOMETHING, damn it!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:28 PM
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9. While I agree with his sentiment
is this how he "takes a stand"? By complaining that others didn't?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 03:51 PM
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17. what's so special about this statement? The votes have been cast
We're ready to " move away' from the resolutions and on to what his main concern is. I don't like the slap at Democrats, but he makes a god point about forcing votes on straight withdrawal legislation. Make them filibuster and veto to highlight their obstruction.

I do hope for some compromise, though. Our troops can't afford to wait until '08 for President Richardson to set things right.

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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:01 PM
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20. Richardson is pro-school vouchers, pro-NAFTA/anti-Fair Trade, pro-medical savings accounts,
pro-replacing judicial discretion with mandatory jail time, pro-faith-based social services, pro-tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy, and he has been a hawk on "homeland security" and military base issues.

I trust our leaders in the House and Senate better than I trust Richardson on this issue (and most every other issue, too).

Richardson is grandstanding by attacking a straw-man here because NO ONE -- or no Democrat at least -- is against moving away from non-binding resolutions and taking a stand. The non-binding resolution is to offer the easiest vote possible to establish how much of the Repub party agrees with us in principle. Once the Repubs vote on the non-binding issue, we can ramp the pressure up, but we got a good number of Repubs on board by starting with a non-binding issue.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:26 PM
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27. Don't forget he stopped the recount in NM n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:33 PM
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30. yeah he wanted Bush to win over the candidate he spent the year working for
:eyes:

what's the point? Isn't this just one of the epic pouts of the Greens and the Libertarians whose candidates were pressing for the recount (which would have done NOTHING to overturn the election)?
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tnlurker Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:19 PM
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25. Is Richardson a DLC member
That would make a difference to me. Right now I'm for Kucinich. But Richardson could move up on my list.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:24 PM
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26. Richardson is the CONSUMATE DLCer. Check out the DLC website on Richardson:
Over 300 elected-officials from 43 states gathered in Philadelphia last week at the DLC's National Conversation, themed 'What We're Fighting For.' In two days of policy debate and strategy sessions, attendees revisited that question frequently. What are we fighting for? In his keynote address, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, struck upon an important part of the answer: "We need to show the world that we have a party of sound principles and sound values."

As governor of New Mexico, Richardson has translated his New Democrat values into an effective policy agenda. "We've shown that it's possible to pursue a progressive Democratic agenda which cuts taxes and provides economic incentives for businesses while at the same time improving education, exploding childcare availability, protecting the environment, fighting discrimination, and balancing the budget," he said.

...

Richardson led by example, announcing that week a slew of cuts that would save the state $21 million without adversely affecting services. Agencies have slimmed down their number of outside consulting contracts; the Corrections Department has relocated some 140 state prisoners; and the Revenue and Taxation Department has stepped up its pursuit of delinquent taxpayers.... Richardson eagerly supports business development, especially the type of businesses and institutions -- science, technology, venture capital, medicine, higher education -- that bring high wage jobs with them. Richardson says his tax cuts have been one important step toward making New Mexico more attractive to businesses. But he has also proposed dedicating over $200 million -- 2 percent of the state's permanent funds -- to invest in business startup organizations, an in-plant training fund, and new recruitment efforts.... "We should be proud to be the moderate party of sound economic management and fiscal responsibility and a friend of the economic engines -- the businesspeople of this country."


http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251963&kaid=104&subid=116
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tnlurker Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:29 PM
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29. Thanks
That made my mind up. I'll stick with Kucinich.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 04:28 PM
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28. whatever. read his positions and record and decide.
the anti-DLC movement is as much a cult of nonsense as the DLC'ers.

fwiw:

DLC | Speech | July 28, 2003
Keynote Address of Gov. Bill Richardson to the 2003 DLC National Conversation

Introduction by Will Marshall

It is my great pleasure to introduce Governor Bill Richardson, who is on his way down. Excellent. Until he gets here I'll just say Bill Richardson is a long-time friend of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Progressive Policy Institute. And I'll elaborate in just a second on ways in which he's shown that friendship. And we got the news today that he has just been named the chairman of our national convention in Boston -- (applause) -- the convention in which we're going to pick the candidate who is going to stun yet another George Bush. (Applause.)

{snip}

Keynote Address by Gov. Bill Richardson

Thank you. Thank you. I want to first apologize for -- by the way, well, thanks for that great introduction. You read it just like I wrote it. (Chuckles.) That was very, very generous. But I apologize to all of you. I just saw Governor Napolitano leave for Arizona as I was coming in. But I also this morning -- the reason I'm late, the reason I'm not here earlier -- and I wanted to be here for the full two days -- was that earlier this morning we did make a little history. The first DLC governor, Bill Richardson, I'll be chairing the Democratic Convention next year. (Applause.) And the reason -- there was an announcement in Boston that Terry McCauliffe and Senator Kennedy -- and the reason this is important to you, I'm the person to see about passes -- (laughter) -- floor passes.

But, you know, right before I left Terry said, well, what are you going to talk about? And I said, well, I want to talk about -- not just thank the DLC for its leadership in invigorating the Democratic Party with a lot of good ideas over the last 15, 20 years -- and I remember that 1992 platform committee, which was virtually written by some of the key players in the DLC. I remember Will and Al and Bruce Reed, and we kind of hijacked it in the middle of the night. And at the time we had a great candidate that was pushing those new ideas, basically saying that the Democratic Party should not go left or right but it should go forward. And I think it's so propitious. Years later, a positive sign for the future that a Democratic leadership governor, a New Democrat, an Hispanic governor -- I may not sound like one -- (speaks in Spanish) -- the only Hispanic governor will chair the convention.

I'm also -- I want you to listen to this because some of you are going to squirm a little bit. I'm also the only governor in the country that's cut taxes: personal income tax, capital gains -- (scattered applause) -- and we did it to be competitive, not as a philosophy, with our surrounding states. Governor Napolitano and Colorado and Arizona were taking our jobs and our engineers and our high tech away because we were not competitive. We're also proud to be the state that in the first seven months raised teachers' salaries higher than any state: 6 percent. (Applause.) We restored collective bargaining to state workers, to teachers, to firefighters, to police.

And I know many of you are coming from states where your economies are weak and budget deficits, but you know, when you get a chance like this -- and I'm so proud of my state, I'm going to do a little bragging. New Mexico, the only one of two states in the country to show positive job growth and the only one of three states with a budget surplus; and most importantly, a state that is led by a Democratic governor and a Democratic legislature. And I'm very proud here to recognize the president of the New Mexico state senate, who is my equal partner, Senator Richard Romero, a Hispanic. (Applause.) And I think what we're showing in New Mexico is we can build a high-wage economy, balance our budget and pay for tax cuts. I know that because we're doing it.

You know, I also see faces that I didn't used to see before at DLC meetings, faces of America's emerging minorities, and I think that's good because I remember the criticism of the old days of the DLC, but the fact that we have entrepreneurs and scientists and young people, and so many of you that have helped our party, elected officials, 43 states represented, shows the vibrancy of this organization that has withstood the dramatic changes that our party has undertaken.

So I'm proud to be the first Hispanic governor since 1986, recognizing that for Hispanics it is important that we also heed a DLC message; that we cannot just be talking about immigration and civil rights, but that we have to be talking about empowerment and entrepreneurship and homeownership, putting money in people's pockets . . .

more: http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=106&subid=122&contentid=251978
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 05:04 PM
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31. Well, Kerry was a friend of the DLC, and his..
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 05:04 PM by mvd
policies were pretty good. It's not always cut-and-dry. But Richardson's economic plan sounds like it was taken from the DLC handbook. What I don't like is the DLC platform of anti-populism, moderate but weak on social issues, and "patriotic" on the war.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 05:05 PM
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32. Good for him
:applause:
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