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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 12:16 AM Original message |
Is Sweden Socialist? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. Define Socialist |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. The Swedes have realized that capitalism is good only if it's properly regulated. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. Socialism has nothing to do with state ownership of the means of production |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 07:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Yes it does |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. There is "Democratic Socialism" |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Take a close look at the definitions |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. So although I supply copious references to public ownership of the means of production |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. My point is that communism's central tenet is state control & ownership of the |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I'll point you to Clause 4 of the old Labour Party constitution |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. "OLD" is operative word |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Which means that social democrats are deviationists and not truly socialist |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. No. It means that political identities and ideas about politics evolve. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Labour dropped it when Blair, a non-socialist, took charge in the 90s |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Yes. SPD has also dropped it since disavowing Marxism at Bad Godesberg in 1958... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. One man's selling out is another man's evolution |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. State ownership of the means of production is, in theory, a defining part of socialism |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Two books I've read recently -- Parker's Galbraith bio and Stiglitz's second |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. They have also moved right or at least less socialist as of recent |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. Sweden is Socialist - not Communist |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 02:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Kudos Sweden. I, for one, favor taxation to fund government support of national |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. But after their "heavy taxes" the average person still makes more than the average American |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
7. I think that to decide if you like such an arrangement or not |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. It has socialist components |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. It's a Democrat Socialist country |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. good one--and I want everyone to respond in this way to rude folk |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. Sweden is a social democracy, but it is also capitalistic having |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-19-07 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
27. Sweden is not a socialist country. It is a social democracy with capitalism as its underpinning. |
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