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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:13 AM Original message |
Yes, I think Pelosi is being "blackmailed" |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. Let them bolt - fug 'em - and let them lose their seats in 2008 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. she has zilch political or personal courage. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. and let the repubs regain control of Congress. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. If they vote with the Republicans now what difference would it make? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. blue dogs aren't going to be replaced with "real Democrats" |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. I would not put much weight into.. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. reality is what reality is, not some unsubstantiated "perception" |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Well, |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. you want numbers..here's numbers |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
97. There is no great strategy |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. the organizing has to take place w/ local races - build resumes so real progressives move up |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
101. Very good and pragmatic observation. In our anger and sense of betrayal we |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. They would run as repugs in 2008 |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. fuck her. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Them and her...although I disagree with the Cali's postulation |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. You are not fit to lick Nancy Pelosi's boots. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. bwahahaha! |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. The Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years. |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
81. Well, they sure united around HR-1955... |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
98. 14%? |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
99. Wow, how very noncontributive to the topic |
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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
7. Well, she is either being blackmailed or held hostage, or just doesn't |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. It's only "bewildering" for those who believe the fairytales of our system |
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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Not her place to get the job done? What context do you think |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
72. It is exactly her job. I don't understand how anyoner can say otherwise. |
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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. Exactly, she misled the voters as bad as Bush misleads everyone but that |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
8. If this is true |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. because she doesn't want to lose her leadership position? |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
9. That makes more sense than the typical Pelosi rant here |
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Ytzak (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. It doesn't matter. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
12. I think it's something even more powerful than them. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. No, most of the blue dogs are NOT freshman. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Many are recent additions. Those that lead them aren't. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Thus the term "shadow government." Elites beholden to multinationals and private banks/Fed Reserve |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
90. I BELIEVE YOU NAILED IT!! ..we are seeing it across the board in Fla , Michigan , Ohio.. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Yes, both are off my list and also the DSCC. |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. I got Howard Dean's latest fundraising E-Mail, "Hope not fear," and replied: |
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Flatline (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
15. And to think my parents told me growing up |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
16. Fear. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Good theory, but I'd cite cooperation and INSTITUTIONAL COMPLICITY first & foremost |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Yeah. |
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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Good analysis but I would be curious of what her fear could be. I mean she would |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Good question. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
74. It would be hard to understand what her fear would be, considering |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
96. Good question. |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. The lobbyist in DC for her $35 million winery is bush's brother-in-law. |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. One thing...if they do bolt |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
22. the more likely explanation is that she can |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. It wasn't until after the Watergate hearings were held that support |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. She's doing a fine job |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The Speaker had nothing to do with the Watergate Hearings? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. How do I get more real? |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The Speaker of the House had nothing to do with the Watergate hearings? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I'm sorry to have to point out your utter ignorance |
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Flarney (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Were the Senate Watergate hearings held before or after impeachment in the House? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Wow |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. The ONLY utter ignorance being shown is your own |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Ummm..... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Bullshit. The first hearings were held by the HOUSE Banking and |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. those weren't the Watergate hearings |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
73. Thank you. I was about to point that very thing out. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
93. This is interesting, could Biden be threatening to do the same, starting in the Senate? n/t |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. No, I'm still on track |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. MonkeyFunk is dead wrong. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. and yet the House didn't impeach Nixon |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. So where do we disagree? |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Actually the Watergate Hearings were held in both the House and the Senate. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. correct |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I don't agree with you fully. It was the bill of impeachment reported to the floor of the |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I never claimed otherwise |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I may have misread you, but I think you are supporting Pelosi. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. let's review the history and the premise of this subthread |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. There was a reasonably free press in the early 1970s. There isn't one |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Democrats held a lot more seats in the 1970s than they do now or even the entire 1990s. |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. One more stolen election, which is fairly likely since the need reforms were not undertaken, |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You don't even need that much. Just one more mass casualty event on US soil. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
75. And I don't get that puzzling remark that "she's doing a fine job." |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. That's even more reasonable that the anti-Pelosi rants around here |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Not by much |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. I agree |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
79. Heavens to Betsy!!! That could never happen here!!! |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
86. And the predictable response from one of Nancy's bestest long-time fans... |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
27. That's a rather conspiratorial tone for you Cali... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
80. Yep |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
28. Pelosi is being leaned on and she's probably not only the only one. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
34. Perhaps the only remedy is not impeachment. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
41. Very likely - there is a Lieberman wing of the party that has been snookered by BushInc |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Just improved |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
42. I dunno. I still think it IS the thugs in the administration. I still think they bugged every member |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. I fear you may be right. We know Bush started his illegal wiretapping |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
46. I don't think so |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Besides the fact that it would be used as a club against the party |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
53. The Blue Dogs should be called the Blue Tails that wag the dog. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
59. I think it may be simpler than that -- she doesn't want to hand chimpy a win |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
64. Not "she" -- WE |
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reprehensor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
65. OK, what did you do with cali? |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
67. No one can force Pelosi to reorganize the House |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
68. She has nothing to lose by fighting back |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
77. she has strong support from progressives in Congress |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
78. In That Case, She isn't Fit for Her Position |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
82. its very possible |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
84. I think it's Hilary. If Bush and Cheney are impeached. Pelosi will become our first woman President. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
87. I think BushCo has the goods on everyone... |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
88. junior & cheney can wiretap anyone at will. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
92. I wonder why whites don't send her mail? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
94. and in turn, she's blackmailing Conyers, etc. nt |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
95. If she's a Dame of the Knights of Malta, it's a definite possibility. nt |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
108. OMG I agree with you |
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