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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:05 AM
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Another spear thrown in NeoCon attack on Fitzgerald - WaPo Feb 18
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 09:40 AM by Tin Man
Edit: I see this article as the lastest in a developing meme being circulated by Neocons. It appears to be an effort to effectively "wall off" PlameGate - mitigating and limiting the damage to Libby alone. Even the Neocons recognize the certainty of the pending guilty verdict for Libby - and are seeking to preempt the ensuing wave of attention/focus from washing-out the sand under Cheney's feet.

Neocon plan of attack: attack Fitz and his process... Get ahead of the story, now!

Trial in Error
If You're Going to Charge Scooter, Then What About These Guys?


By Victoria Toensing
Sunday, February 18, 2007; Page B01


Could someone please explain to me why Scooter Libby is the only person on trial in the Valerie Plame leak investigation? ... If we accept Fitzgerald's low threshold for bringing a criminal case, then why stop at Libby? This investigation has enough questionable motives and shadowy half-truths and flawed recollections to fill a court docket for months. So here are my own personal bills of indictment:

THIS GRAND JURY CHARGES PATRICK J. FITZERALD with ignoring the fact that there was no basis for a criminal investigation from the day he was appointed, with handling some witnesses with kid gloves and banging on others with a mallet, with engaging in past contretemps with certain individuals that might have influenced his pursuit of their liberty, and with misleading the public in a news conference because . . . well, just because.

-snip-

THIS GRAND JURY CHARGES JOSEPH C. WILSON IV with misleading the public about how he was sent to Niger, about the thrust of his March 2003 oral report of that trip, and about his wife's CIA status, perhaps for the purpose of getting book and movie contracts.

-snip-

THIS GRAND JURY CHARGES THE MEDIA with hypocrisy in asserting that criminal law was applicable to this "leak" and with misreporting facts to wage a political attack on an increasingly unpopular White House.

-snip-

...full article at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021601705.html
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:12 AM
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1. It doesn't mention Toensing authored a friend-of-the-court brief...
...claiming that there was no crime in the Plame case. She's involved!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair_legal_questions
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:32 AM
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5. The Post has no integrity, whatsoever. They have Assumed the Position
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 09:33 AM by SpiralHawk
for the republicon-corporate propaganda BORG.

Unethical and inexcusable for them to fail to mention that she is a republicon shill.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:36 AM
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8. Well, we have been subjected to David Broder's...
...request that we all apologize to Karl Rove after KR wasn't indicted. :eyes: Such proof of virtue!

And then Broder cooed about how impressive Bush was at Wednesday's press conference. Obviously Broder missed the one we all saw.

But Broder wasn't always like that (I don't know what's become of him), and to be fair, I don't regard the entire editorial and reporting staff as carrying Bush administration water. Two examples: E.J. Dionne in the former category, Rajiv Chandrasekaran in the latter.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:43 PM
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14. No need to mention she is a republicon shill....
When the WHOLE ORGANIZATION is a republicon shill!
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:32 PM
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15. Shill and hubby (Joe diGenova) re Lewensky...
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 01:39 PM by WHAT
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/couple022798.htm&h=141&w=180&sz=18&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=lRsRGeVrKrlI0M:&tbnh=79&tbnw=101&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtoensing%2Bvictoria%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Wa. Post 2/27/98

He (diGenova) and Toensing, also a battle-tested former prosecutor, keep popping up wherever there is trouble -- as commentators, as investigators, as unnamed sources for reporters.

snip

A classic Washington power couple, diGenova, 53, and Toensing, 56, occupy a strange, symbiotic nexus between the media and the law that boosts their stock in both worlds. They are clearly players, which gives them access to juicy information, which gets them on television, which generates legal business.

so...

Maybe NPR can have them on to discuss it. Toensing introduced herself on a Diane Rehm show, once, by sending greetings from St. Michael's Maryland...home of Rumsfield/Cheney (It was so odd to have that info interjected in introductory greetings; almost like a threat of a promise)

Anyway...

edited to add link, I need to remember how to make the links little, I don't connect to links very often.

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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:51 PM
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16. Wow, great find. Here's a link to a transcript: bothToensing and *Amb Wilson* on the Diane Rehm show
Excerpts from the interview transcript to whet the appitite...

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WAMU 88.5 FM The Diane Rehrn Show July 17, 2006


MS. REHM: And joining us now is Victoria Toensing. She is former chief counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General. Good morning to you, Victoria, good to hear from you.

MS. TOENSING: Good morning, from St. Michaels.

MS. REHM: Thank you so much for joining us. While serving at the Department of Justice, Victoria Toensing created the Terrorism Section. She is now inprivate practice in Washington, D.C. And as she has said, she joins us by phone from St. Michaels, Maryland.

Victoria, do you think it’s appropriate for a government employee to speak out if he or she believes the facts are being misstated?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

...Oh man, Toensing is no ordinary shill - she's Cheney and Rummy's personal buddy! No wonder she's been selected to get out there and "catapult the propaganda" just like Doug Feith did recently. The Neocons must be feeling the heat...

full transcript at: http://members.cox.net/liinda/246-3.htm




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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:12 AM
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2. 'Vicki' has that smirk like you-know-who...
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 09:13 AM by PCIntern
she and that husband of hers were all over the tube during the Lewinsky business.

Repulsive excuse for a human being and a waste of protoplasm.

Sorry to be so equivocal.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:13 AM
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3. Ole Vickie isspinning BS AGAIN!
A Special Prosecutor was appointed because the CIA asked the justice Dept. to find out "WHO outed one of their covert agents!"


Wilson didn't mislead anyone! He WAS sent to Niger because Cheney asked the CIA to find out if there was any truth to the Niger story. It was the idiots in the admin. who shortened the story and said Cheney sent him!

Blame the media all you want, Vickie, but THEY weren't the ones who lied to the FBI, to Fed. officers, and obstructed justice!

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:13 AM
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4. Little miss non sequiter trying to change the subject again,
So, a cop comes and knock on your door. You're first reaction is throw your coffee in her in the face.

Victoria, do you really think you did nothing wrong because the cop was at your door to investigate a crime for which you claim innocence? Hmmmm.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:33 AM
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6. These traitorous assholes had absolutely NO compassion when the spotlight was on Bill Clinton.
Who by the way was charged with lying not the original crime.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:00 PM
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13. Charged with Lying but not in any criminal sense..
That was a political reason they used to launch an Impeachment. He was never officially charged with any crime, ever.....
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:36 AM
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7. She's a hack. Too bad articles like this overshadow some good work WP writers do. nt
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:41 AM
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9. What's with the "THIS GRAND JURY" nonsense
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 09:43 AM by C_U_L8R
What a delusional twit.

THIS CITIZEN can sniff out the stench of republican lies a mile away.

Why does WAPO disgrace themselves with such dreck.
(there are not two sides to the truth as the reichwing would have everyone believe)
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:57 AM
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11. It's an OpEd. I guess the WaPo is providing a channel for "alternate viewpoints"...
But it seems to me this "particular" viewpoint is part of a much larger, orchestrated meme, targeting Fitz. I wonder if this meme will appear on the talking heads shows today (Sunday).
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:10 AM
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12. I'll say it's alternate
Poor Victoria confuses herself with a Grand Jury.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:52 AM
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10. Someone could do a good public service by investigating the financial
investments of the Washington Post owners and editors, and the financial structure and interlocking membership/investments of its board, and simply posting this information alongside of every piece of crap like this that they publish.

I would be less inclined to bust a war profiteering corporate news print monopoly than those that have usurped our public airwaves, but it's something to consider, if they have conflict of interest investments that warrant it: pull their corporate charter, and seize their assets for the public good. Short of that, constant exposure of their venal motives would help readers who still bother with this crap to understand it better, and could start a movement to cancel subscriptions and boycott advertisers.

I think we need to stop arguing with the Corporate Reich and start hitting them with collective action to bring their financial empires down. Meanwhile, our first priority must be our rightful power as a sovereign people to conduct our own vote counting in our election system, in a way that everyone can see and understand. The corporate takeover of our election system, first with wads of money, then with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code in extremely insecure and insider hackable electronic voting machines, is our biggest problem. Without proper representation in our government, there is little we can do to achieve a critically needed correction to the left and toward the interests of the majority. Will it take a second Great Depression, or WW III, to restore democracy here? We may not have a civilization to restore anything in, if we don't recover our right to vote. And the kind of bloody chaos that the Bush Junta is so expert at creating may not be conducive to restoring democracy, and the great American experiment may instead end in a Nazi state, amidst the ashes of a fried planet.

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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 04:29 PM
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17. Ah, Vicky, the CIA made a criminal referral to the DOJ just for the hell of it?
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 04:34 PM by Garbo 2004
Apparently the CIA, that knew Plame's status, thought a crime may have been committed. Her CIA employment was classified info, her employer for public record was not the CIA. That equals "covert."

Since Libby's on trial for obstructing the investigation and perjury, the evidence introduced to the trial relates specifically to those charges, not whether or not Plame was covert. Since Libby obstructed the investigation and withheld info, it's that more difficult to bring charges for leaking.

But if we are to rely on court docs, it appears that a court was satisfied that not only was Valerie Wilson's CIA employment was classified, the CIA had made efforts to conceal her CIA identity. The short version: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek%5D%5Bhttp://nationalreview.com/york/york200602060919.asp

According to Corn's and Isikoff's book "Hubris," Valerie Wilson worked in the Iraq unit of the Counterproliferation Division and was involved in the search for intel on Iraq's WMD and traveled overseas using assumed identities, not her own, after 9/11/2001:

...in the summer before 9/11, the word came down from the top brass: we're ramping up on Iraq. The CPD's Iraq unit was changed into the Joint Task Force on Iraq. And in the months after September 11, the JTFI grew to include about fifty employees; Valerie Wilson was placed in charge of its operations group...

...The JTFI's primary target was Iraqi scientists. The goal was to make indirect and surreptitious contact with these experts and find out what they knew about unconventional weapons in Iraq...

As the cases piled up, Valerie Wilson traveled overseas under assumed names to monitor walk-in operations and other activities. Members of the unit were putting in long hours. But the results were frustrating. None of the JTFI's operations was generating evidence that Saddam had biological or chemical weapons or a revived nuclear weapons program...Valerie Wilson and other JTFI officers were almose too overhwhelmed to consider the possibility that the small number of operations they were condicting was, in a way, coming up with the right answer: that there was no intelligence to find on Saddm's current chemical and biological stockpiles and nuclear weapons programs because they did not exist.


(I added italics in the above excerpt to the particularly interesting bits.)

As to the appointment of Special Counsel, Vicky manages to avoid the fact that Ashcroft and his office staff had a considerable conflict of interest given his long term relationship to Rove who also was a subject of the investigation. Ashcroft's office was a pipeline to those who had an interest in making sure the investigation was stymied. As one WH senior official even bragged to the Financial Times in Fall 2003, “We have let the earth-movers roll in over this one.” No doubt Vicky is is well aware where Barbara Comstock was formerly employed before she became Libby's paid champion and disinformation agent. (Rove's legal team spokesman, Mark Corallo, was also a former Ashcroft DOJ staffer.)

Interesting that Vicky "charges" Ari, a former WH staffer, but not old Karl who is still a WH staffer. Wouldn't want to remind folks that old Karl leaked classified info, was curiously "forgetful" about his conversations with Cooper, admitted his conversation with Novak and yet still is employed by the WH. Didn't even lose his security clearance. That just doesn't seem fair, does it Vicky? But you don't want to remind folks of that while you rant on about the unfairness of it all.

And Vicky: if Libby knew he hadn't told Judy Miller anything about Valerie Wilson at a time when he claimed that he forgotten that he knew Wilson's wife worked in the CIA, why did he let her spend a year fighting against having to testify? Why did he let her go to jail and stay there for 85 days? Why not tell her right off the bat, go ahead and testify? If he didn't lie to the investigators, why did he need Judy to clam up for so long? And why then when she was in jail did he finally send her the "leading (or an attempt to suborn) the witness" Aspen letter? Did his memory slip again and he "forgot" to mention in the letter their June 23 meeting in his office? Curiously, Judy also "forgot" about the meeting in her grand jury testimony...until Fitzgerald strongly "encouraged" her to refresh her memory and suddenly Judy "discovered" her notes from that June meeting. Strange, that. Libby had nothing to hide, but he let Judy spend a year in litigation and go to jail rather than discuss their innocent conversations with Fitzgerald and the Grand Jury.

And finally from another officer of the court here's an apt response to Vicky's partisan and completely disingenuous disinformation:

FITZGERALD: I'll be blunt.

That talking point won't fly. If you're doing a national security investigation, if you're trying to find out who compromised the identity of a CIA officer and you go before a grand jury and if the charges are proven -- because remember there's a presumption of innocence -- but if it is proven that the chief of staff to the vice president went before a federal grand jury and lied under oath repeatedly and fabricated a story about how he learned this information, how he passed it on, and we prove obstruction of justice, perjury and false statements to the FBI, that is a very, very serious matter.

FITZGERALD: And I'd say this: I think people might not understand this. We, as prosecutors and FBI agents, have to deal with false statements, obstruction of justice and perjury all the time. The Department of Justice charges those statutes all the time.

When I was in New York working as a prosecutor, we brought those cases because we realized that the truth is the engine of our judicial system. And if you compromise the truth, the whole process is lost.

In Philadelphia, where Jack works, they prosecute false statements and obstruction of justice.

When I got to Chicago, I knew the people before me had prosecuted false statements, obstruction and perjury cases.

FITZGERALD: And we do it all the time. And if a truck driver pays a bribe or someone else does something where they go into a grand jury afterward and lie about it, they get indicted all the time.

Any notion that anyone might have that there's a different standard for a high official, that this is somehow singling out obstruction of justice and perjury, is upside down.

If these facts are true, if we were to walk away from this and not charge obstruction of justice and perjury, we might as well just hand in our jobs. Because our jobs, the criminal justice system, is to make sure people tell us the truth. And when it's a high-level official and a very sensitive investigation, it is a very, very serious matter that no one should take lightly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801340.html


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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 04:44 PM
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18. I've spent the last hour, plus, reading the comments.....here's my favorite, so far,
among the at least EIGHTY per cent that support Toensing!

"<[To all of those throwing insults at Toensing, please shut up unless you can backup your criticism with something substantive. By carl_junk >] ... ...

OK truthseeker, ask yourself this. WHY did the CIA file a criminal complaint, seeking an investigation of the source, after Plames and Brewster Jennings ID was blown??? I rest my case. TREASON WAS COMMITTED AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR GOVERNMENT. DEAL WITH IT FOR GODS SAKE rather than grasping at any weak straw the Right Wing throws out there to keep the sheep in line. Dont you see how you are being misled? Would the Federal Court System allow itself to be gamed, especially since they are in the hands of a Republican Administration? They CANNOT stop the wheels of justice which are inexorably going to grind the Bush Administration into dust. And long past time.

PS johnfree2 -- I am NOT a member of DemocraticUnderground.com
I am a truthloving patriotic American Citizen tired of watching my country get degraded and our democracy raped in front of my unbeleiving eyes."

to read the typical Toensing supporter's post is to immerse onesself into a Through the Looking Glass world, in which the simplest realities are denied on their faces, and reveals the depth of delusion under which these poor, benighted, willfully ignorant souls suffer
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 05:04 PM
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20. I quit reading after the above comment. I shouldn't have. here's
the very next post, in response to the one I linked. It's typical of all the maniacal, idiotic swill posted by the delusionals:

"Reply to drdan. Shut the f*** up. Please leave the country if you cant stand the heat. Calling our pres the names that you did aught to get you jailed for treason. I will cut you some slack and say only you are a product of government education. Sorry if I made you sick."
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:01 PM
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21. WOW, those replies (VERY heavily biased in support of Toensing) prove my point
...there's definitely some type of organized effort underway to discredit Fitzgerald and the pending Libby conviction. No way in hell that many freepers (34 pages worth) suddenly decided to read the Washington Post and report their fervent support for Toensing.

Rove et al are attempting to protect Cheney by discrediting Fitz and the Libby conviction. It's happening right now in the pages of the WaPo.

If you don't get it, you don't get it (WaPo marketing slogan).

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:52 PM
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24. exactly....at Firedog Lake, they came to the same conclusion, and
the commenters there are very knowledgable about the Plame case, to say the least

those comments are well worth reading, too
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 04:47 PM
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19. Toensing helped write the convoluted law
that made it nearly impossible for Fitzpatrick to nail Libby to the wall for committing treason. Still Fitzpatrick has done an excellent job of outing the cabal squatting in the White House. I have no doubt Libby will be convicted, and only slightly less doubt that he will be pardoned by Junior.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:01 PM
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22. I think this belongs at the TOP of the page.....n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:04 PM
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23. The Post has ZERO credibility on this issue
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 07:04 PM by depakid
Their own editors and writers are up to their necks in this scandal.

Yet another piece of evidence to show how far this paper has fallen into disrepute. Sad really.

Katherine Graham must be rolling over in her grave.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:54 PM
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25. the REAL story here is why the Post has printed two such mendacious
screeds in two days (was York's the day before Toensing's?).

then, again, I guess there's a two word response as to why they're acting as de facto counsel for Libby's defense:

Bob Woodward
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