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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:24 PM
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Gregory: Blogs are to blame for polarization.

Gregory: Blogs are to blame for polarization.

At a National Press Club event earlier this week, NBC White House correspondent David Gregory argued that, because is so much polarization in politics today, “people try to divine or assign our motives” for asking certain questions at the White House press briefings. When Helen Thomas asked Gregory what was responsible for the polarization, Gregory answered:

I think it’s because of the internet largely. The polarized atmosphere in the internet and blogs and whatnot have been a major contributor to that.

Watch it:

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Judith Miller: “I’m worried about bloggers,”

David help to fix the biased mess that is the MSM before you start criticizing bloggers.



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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:28 PM
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"If we all just believed the coporate media and withheld our opinions..."
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Hersheygirl Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:28 PM
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1. You know the old saying,
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Maybe if they did their jobs there wouldn't be as much interest in bloggers.
What part it don't they get.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:29 PM
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2. If media would stop ACTING like propagandists and stenographers for fascists then
we would stop SEEING them as propagandists and stenographers for fascists.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:31 PM
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3. No. You can thank Rove, the MSM, and the GOP for that. Traitors. n/t
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:32 PM
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4. What a bunch of crap. Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly predated blogs by YEARS.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:39 PM
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30. it only matters when the left has a medium with which to fight back
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:32 PM
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5. How about crappy politicians being responsible for polarization?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:34 PM
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6. Polarization of
those whose heads are still buried in sand and those who are getting a clue.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:34 PM
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7. After 20 years of hate and lies from talk radio
they blame blogs?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:35 PM
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8. Damn, those bloggers, etc, for telling the truth instead of providing....
infotainment and propaganda, there would be NO polarization if only they would stop telling the truth and just shut up!

:sarcasm: just in case it's needed.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:36 PM
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9. He has it exactly the opposite
of what it really is -- the corporate media creates divisions, while the blogs are a force that unites like-minded people.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:55 PM
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13. And the corporate media keeps talking about "polarization" as if its 50/50, but really
on a number of issues like Iraq and Bush's performance, at least according to polls, the nation really isn't that "polarized." The majority is not happy with the way things are going or Bush and wants out of Iraq.

Yet the media continues to engage in these self-referential chararacterizations as if it's established fact, as if the nation is equally divided on these issues, when instead there's a significant majority vs the minority "deadenders."
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:22 PM
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21. I agree with you
Conflict sells. This division gets people all het up, and they tune in. The media has a vested interest in its own interests -- not necessarily in news.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:36 PM
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10. Well, he's right. Absent the internet, no one would be informed, and there'd be
more willingness to believe the bullshit in the paper and what is fed to you for a half hour at night.

It's not such a bad thing, this polarization. It forces the candidates to be more "wide spectrum" than they might like to be.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:41 PM
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11. "We won't do our jobs, and it's all THEIR fault!!"
"Make them stop calling us on our BS!! We love cocktail parties dammit, who doesn't??"
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:41 PM
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12. Yeah, right, has nothing to do with Limbaugh, et al.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:00 PM
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14. Yeah, because homogeneity is so fascinating and useful and...
...diversity of opinion is so destructive to the viability of a media that employs airheaded status quo corporate shills and charges them with the breathless delivery of meaningless pap, swill and drivel, 24/7/365.

I would bet the last time Gregory asked a serious question was back in college when he pried his zitty face off his desktop and asked, "Is that going to be on the test?"

What a tool, and a willing one at that. What a sniveling asshole. What an arrogant prick. What an iconic example of everything that's wrong with mass media. Quick to blame anyone but himself for taking the First Amendment's free press protections and turning them into just another propaganda tool to keep the public scared, ignorant and malleable.

The longer I go without watching a second of TV news or punditpap, the better my brain feels.

On the other hand, on those mornings when I wake up just craving the latest dirt on OJ or Britany or Paris or..., it's tough to stay away from CNN. But somehow I always manage to survive the day. And if the cravings get really bad, there's always the London tabloids.


wp
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:24 PM
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15. But the chimp said he was a uniter...
He sucks at that too evidently.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:42 PM
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16. LOL
Wow they are in denial. How about Bush's extremist policies just pissing people off?

But no that's the simplest explanation. After all, there's no way that this is caused by the most hated and worst president the country has ever had.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:03 PM
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17. I hate to think where our country would be today....
if nto for the bloggers. No one in the corporate media would have challenged Bush at all, on anything, if not for the blogs and the Internet, in my opinion. It is untelling where we would be today. I think bloggers have been the front line in defending our democracy and our Constitution.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:09 PM
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18. Too bad.. david gregory=
mediawhore. Polorization? Try the fuckhead fascists which includes you mediawhores, dickhead.
Signed..a blogger.
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Dawggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:16 PM
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19. The gall of this is fucking amazing to me.
The internet has allowed anyone and everyone with a view an open forum.

That is fucking insane.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:26 PM
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22. Yeah, this is just the tip
of the melting iceberg for gall. Welcome to DU, Dawggie!
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Dawggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:29 PM
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24. Thanks.
This is an important subject for us all.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:18 PM
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20. What else would a Presstitute Say?
This one let herself be used by Cheney and Company to sell war based on lies.
No matter how pompous or highly placed the source, the facts need to be checked.
Whether by tacit conspiracy, craven negligence or common stupidity, she owns a big piece of the Iraq War butcher bill.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:34 PM
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26. judy should be "worried about
bloggers"..we're coming after her.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:27 PM
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23. I have a Pet Peeve
People who use the word, 'whatnot'.

What exactly does that mean? I'm confuzzled.

Anyhoooo - Tough Noogies David Gregory. Tough Noogies. I may not agree with everyone I speak to on the left on the 'internet' - we are a diverse crew. But at least it's intelligent reading.

My favorite places to be on Sunday evenings are DU and the Daily Kos. So deal with it Neocon.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:33 PM
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25. Yeah..sure..that's it.
What a fucklehead
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 08:39 PM
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27. I'd say it was hate radio like Rush, Bill, Hannity & Michael Savage etc.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:08 PM
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28. Don't worry, the new Jane Harmon anti-thought bill will take care of the internet soon enough.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:12 PM
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29. Less than 1% of the population are hanging out on
political blogs. Man, we must be GOOD :evilgrin:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:52 PM
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31. If David Gregory is concerned about polarization, he shouldn't approvingly quote Annhole:
NBC's Gregory repeated Coulter falsehood on Today
http://mediamatters.org/items/200706280004
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 09:59 PM
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32. Miller's complaint that a "rumor" spreads so fast becasue of blogs
ignores that she had the NYT to spread her lies - and their coverage and the believability they had make her far far more dangerous.

Maybe her true fear is that as blogging matures, MSM articles that seem to be not quite true will be called in real time. Frankly, I think that Miller should not be speaking of anyone's credibility.

Thanks Prosense.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:02 PM
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33. Certainly it wouldn't be the "movement conservatives" of the eighties and nineties!
No, they just spread a whole lot of love around in their drive for power.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 10:25 PM
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34. that's like saying "the fever is why you are sick"..
The fever is TELLING you you are sick..

Blogs are the SYMPTOM of the illness in the corporate media..

we are mad as hell and we are not gonna take it anymore :)


Tuesday, February 22, 2005

Why Bloggers, why now...?
By SoCalDem

from Democratic Underground

Hey Media....

You have fallen down on the job. You know it, and now you know that WE know you know it.

You flew too close to the sun, the wax melted, and ....there appears to be a parachute "malfunction"..Happy Landings, Icarus

........

For decades media had Carte Blanche to report on whatever they chose, and for the most part did it fairly well. I'm sure that when FDR was putting together the New Deal, there was a lot of media attention to the pros and cons of the programs he planned. I know that during the Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon/Ford/Carter/Reagan/Bush1/Clinton years, there was no shortage of critical press. They understood that it was their JOB to report on important legislation.

Presidents are not supposed to "like" the coverage they get. It is what it is. Administrations have always tried to divert attention from their failings and trumpet their successes, but it's the DUTY of the press to call equal attention to both.

The stakes are very high, and the public is starting to realize that this might be our "last stand" against a government run amok. Instead of having the press standing by as "the fly on the wall" recording what is happening, they have become little more than megaphones for the politik-speak coming from the White House.

The real irony here is that as things have gotten ever more serious, the press has turned tail and run the other direction. They insist on force feeding us celebrity drivel, as China "eats our lunch". We just have to study, in depth, the make up of the Jackson jury while jobs are leaking from our country like water through a sieve. Brad & Jen's break-up is "top of the hour news...every hour" while we rarely hear an up to date accounting of our war dead. Our lopsided practically militant legislature is dismantling our long held safety nets but we see smiling anchors bemused by the antics of water skiing squirrels, and skydiving Grandpas.

Instead of deliberate reporting and follow-up on important issues of our day, we are "treated" to pseudo-journo-spokes-folks who delight in telling us about THEIR lives and the books THEY have written. Whole "networks" are devoted to "news", and yet they seem to interview each other as often as they report the news.

That brings up a whole other point. Experts? Experts used to be just that. They did not serve up a political agenda with their science. The so-called experts who are foisted in our faces day in and out are little more than Think Tank Hacks who have sold out to the right wing machine. They are as believable as the tobacco executives who repeated one after another "I do not believe that nicotine is addictive". For a price, these experts will say whatever they are paid to say. We know it, and we are tired of the lack of diversity of thought.

Bloggers are just ordinary people who are tired of being lied to, and who are ashamed and embarrassed for our "media folks". For the most part, the on-air "talent" are people who had the advantage of a good education, are well paid, and should know better. It's like seeing the guy from school who got a PHD working at Walmart.

We also "get it". We recognize the "code words" used in reporting the few news stories that get reported. We are ashamed of you because you are letting us down daily, hourly. You are our last hope for spreading truth and unvarnished facts, and yet you are usually first in line with lies, half truths and White House fax transcriptions.

Before you accuse the LEFT of being poor sports, I might remind you that "the left" controls NOTHING, and hasn't for a long time, so the "liberal bias" crap just does not pass the "smells like shit" test. Truth HAS no bias.

Our so-called media jumped on the war wagon with breathtaking gusto, never questioning the obviously bogus information, and yet had the guts to "be offended" when ordinary people started to take you all to task. You are our "last man".. We count on YOU to tell us what's going on. Sure, you all looked "cute" in your "war outfits", and it probably was great fun to race through the desert on tanks. You grabbed every lifeline the government tossed you as the reasons for war proved as solid as blobs of mercury. WE knew from Day One, minus 5 that the whole war was phony, and we are holding you responsible for a great part of the resulting carnage.

There was a window of opportunity when real reporting could have prevented the whole thing, and exposed the mess. We saw how you all enjoyed watching Colin Powell doing linguistic gymnastics at the UN, while the whole world laughed at us. Our media stuck their fingers in their ears and chanted la-la-la-la. You could not be bothered with mere facts.. The swooshy graphics were all ready.. the logos designed, and the measurements for your "war costumes" were already at the tailors.

and now we have arrived somehow, at Gannon/Guckert/Jeff/James/Cannon/Bulldog/BoyWonder.. whatever-the-hell he calls himself today. Get a grip people.. It's NOT about the sex (although he flaunted it).. It;s about the LYING... (Now where have we heard that canard?) and it's about the LACK OF SECURITY at the White House, and the EASY ACCESS that a male prostitute could get, and yet legitimate news people have difficulty getting.

We are spending billions of dollars on Homeland Security, and yet our own White House seems relatively INSECURE.

The Blogosphere is being covered now, out of obvious desperation on your part, but you are covering it in your usual dimwitted way. Turn the microscope around. You should be focused on:

Why can ordinary citizens with a computer be able to dig up facts that are unknown to people with degrees in journalism?

Why is the general public MORE aware of the undercurrents of stories than the mainstream press?

Why are bloggers meticulously careful in the sourcing of their material, providing voluminous links, while "real journalists" are the ones "just making stuff up" and claiming "confidentiality" when they get caught?

What's it TO you if real people have opinions too? Are OUR opinions less valid because we are the consumers of news, instead of the ones asking the "non-questions".?

Why are the relatively FEW opportunities afforded journalists WASTED with inane "questions"? I don't care what he eats, how fast he bikes, how many armadillos he fed Barney, or any of the other crap you guys ask him.

In case you have not noticed, we have some serious issues , and they deserve your full attention. If you cannot do it, please find someone else to do your job.

We have "moved on"..
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 12:03 AM
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35. A silly man. Rove is responsible for driving the wedge through America.
And he still does.
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