"BIG BROTHER IN THE SKY" The Bush Admin Is Laying The Bricks One At A Time For A Police State

[kpete]

Now Bush also wants to task military spy satellites for domestic spying as well,
and you won’t even know it when your home is invaded by thermal imaging.

From Corpwatch:
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14821

A new U.S. intelligence institution will allow government spy agencies to conduct broad surveillance and reconnaissance inside the country for the first time. Contractors like Boeing, BAE Systems, Harris Corporation, L-3 Communications and Science Applications International Corporation are already lining up for possible work.


Regarding what this will mean in terms of civil liberties, CorpWatch says:

For U.S. citizens, however, the combination of NGA imagery and NSA signals intelligence in a domestic situation could threaten important constitutional safeguards against unwarranted searches and seizures. Kate Martin, the director of the Center for National Security Studies, a nonprofit advocacy organization, has likened the NAO plan to “Big Brother in the Sky.” The Bush administration, she told the Washington Post, is “laying the bricks one at a time for a police state.”

The DHS didn’t bother to notify Congress before the NAO’s domestic spy plan was announced by the Wall Street Journal in August. Congress knows very little about how the program will operate, what privacy and civil liberties protections will be in place and the legal basis for the program.

CorpWatch says:

The NAO was supposed to open for business on October 1, 2007. But the Congressional complaints have led the ODNI and DHS to delay their plans. The NAO “has no intention to begin operations until we address your questions,” Charles Allen of DHS explained in a letter to Thompson (Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-MS). In an address at the GEOINT conference in San Antonio, Allen said that the ODNI is working with DHS and the Departments of Justice and Interior to draft the charter for the new organization, which he said will face “layers of review” once it is established.

Yet, given the Bush administration’s record of using U.S. intelligence agencies to spy on U.S. citizens, it is difficult to take such promises at face value. Moreover, the extensive corporate role in foreign and domestic intelligence means that the private sector has a great deal to gain in the new plan for intelligence-sharing. Because most private contracts with intelligence agencies are classified, however, the public will have little knowledge of this role. Before Congress signs off on the NAO, it should create a better oversight system that would allow the House of Representatives and the Senate to monitor the new organization and to examine how BAE, Boeing, Harris and its fellow corporations stand to profit from this unprecedented expansion of America’s domestic intelligence system.

But that’s not all! If Senate Bill 1959, “The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, passes the Senate then thought crimes may become a reality as well. A companion bill already passed the House overwhelmingly, 404–6.


From the LeftCoaster:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011425.php

Forget that this is going to be specifically aimed at Muslim organizations. This is the beginning of the end to Free Speech in America. If this law passes, every information source you know and trust could be shut down and its authors arrested. The Left Coaster could be taken offline and we all would be doomed to a fate like the Ancient Mariner, labeled as “terrorists.” Think I’m exaggerating? Look at that first link above. Read the law where it states:

“…ideologically based violence” means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs…

Who defines what constitutes “force,” “planning,” “threatened,” and “terrorist”? Could just thinking about, say, opposing the war in Iraq constitute a planned threat to force a political objective—the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq?

After you give Bush the one-finger salute from the former privacy of your home, call your senators!

more at:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/01/police-state-inc/#more-1121

[tuckessee]

1. What will the Democrats do when they inherit this beast?

Has any candidate been expilictly outspoken in his or her opposition to the burgeoning police state?

[leftchick]

3. the democrats are complicit

wallowing in their power positions like so many pigs they do not give one fuck about US. The PEOPLE that elected them. Hasn't that become painfully obvious this past year?

[Captain Angry]

5. The difference.

The Republicans want that power so they can wield it.

The Democrats want that power so people will schmooze with them and treat them like they're important.

[AX10]

9. Jane Harmon proves that.

Chuck Schumer proves that. Dianne Feinstein proves that.

[L. Coyote]

16. Go after the KKK ??

[JDPriestly]

27. Edwards has promised to stop the illegal surveillance.

The problem is that surveillance from that height is probably legal. Yes, the police may view your property from a certain height above it. And worse, much, much worse.

[Cha]

2. Here's to the BRICKS Blowing

Back in their collective Fascist face.

[bonito]

10. Bricking themselves in

until all is dark, that sunshine just is blinding for them.

[Cha]

14. YES! That's the

image of what I want!

[EVDebs]

4. Francis Ford Coppolla is remaking The Conversation...

Hopefully it will highlight this new technology for Harry Caul to fiddle with.

[Lint Head]

6. Fuck fascism!

:grr:

[L. Coyote]

7. Been happening for years now!! DIA SPYING: NGIA collecting data, 133 U.S. cities, ID everyone,

From: DIA SPYING: NGIA collecting data, 133 U.S. cities, ID everyone, nationality, political affiliations
May-27-07 = http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x983282

Laura K. Donohue, JD, PhD, is a Fellow at CISAC and at the Center for Constitutional Law at Stanford Law School
http://cisac.stanford.edu/news/domestic_spying_turns_homeland_into_battlefield_warns_cisac_scholar_20060530

"... National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency is collecting data from 133 U.S. cities; intelligence sources told the Los Angeles Times that, when collection is completed, the agency would be able to identify occupants in each house, their nationality and even their political affiliation..."

.... MORE ....

[Hydra]

20. That's the real problem

This is here already. It's been here for more than 20 years now...so why are they telling us?

Why are they testing to see how far we'll put up with?

Are they trying to scare us? Telling us that a revolt of any kind would be futile, because they're watching all of us?

Or are they simply sick of pretending to be the good guys?

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

28. exactly

hence the benefits of "the failed policy" of the Iraqi invasion.
It becomes clearer why we are Still occupying Iraq.

As you stated, Been happening for years now!! DIA SPYING: NGIA collecting data, 133 U.S. cities, ID everyone.

As for the Bill,

my understanding is it amends H.R. 1955. Homeland Security Act of 2002 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)

Specifically this, Subtitle I--Information Sharing.

http://thomas.loc.gov H.R. 1955 Can be found here.

I believe with this amendment the legal justification for making every American citizen subject to arrest exists.
I've read here today that this is a step, merely an additional tool. The forming of a commission.
When taken in the larger context this forms law.

[flordehinojos]

8. other than being sick like hell, why would a man need to spy on people sooooooo?

other than for power and control, repression and police state, supremacy and so on, why would a man need to spy on people soooooooo?

Bush: the peeping tom into our lives!

[ixion]

11. at some point, people will finally get it: our government hates us

we are nothing more than a money trough.

Some day people will understand. At that point, it will be too late.

[Boxerfan]

12. Ohhh... They have been using this since early this year I believe...

Seems a certain color GREEN sorta sticks out & they have used satelite intel to snoop for such activities.Just sayin...

[TalkingDog]

13. I would NEVER suggest any illegal activity.

Especially since Agent Mike likes to peek into threads like this for clues as what newly enacted laws we might be breaking. But I don't think them drones is lookin' for th' green, darlin'.

I lifted this from a website which also does NOT suggest illegal activity:

The strips, BTW, are NOT metal. The lettering is aluminum but the plastic is related to the thin strips of plastic used in store anti-shoplifting tags.

The clue is when you hold the bill up to the light. In between the letters, the plastic strip has a light brown color. Mylar (what the Treasury claims the strip is made from) has no color at all.

You need not remove the strip to wreak it's radio reflectivity. A cut
through it slightly off-center will change it's resonance. Both this
cut and actual removal constitute defacing the currency, which is
illegal.

My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[Ezlivin]

19. A partial reprint for the literate

You need not remove the strip to wreck its radio reflectivity. A cut through it slightly off-center will change its resonance. Both this cut and actual removal constitute defacing the currency, which is illegal.

[TalkingDog]

21. you talkin' to me?

A partial explanation for the snarky: That was a Copy, Cut, Paste job.

I wasn't going to correct the author's spelling or his misconceptions.

And just so you know: they do make meds for OCD. Ask your Dr. if "UnClenchIt" is right for you.....



My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[Ezlivin]

23. Actually, you mean it was a cut and paste job.

There was no need to capitalize each word. Unless you were working with paper, you didn't copy it, then cut it and paste it.

Don't worry about correcting the grammar in what you post. That's what editors are for.

They do make grammar books. Just ask your English teacher if learning is right for you.

:)

[TalkingDog]

36. Imagine that: The InterTubes gets it wrong.

http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/tutorial/Copy_Cut_And_Paste.html

And so do approximately 1,190,000 other sites. Hmmmm.....

http://www.google.com/search?q=Word+processing%3A+copy+cut+paste&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official


I once worked with a fellow librarian who was also rather...compacted. One day I had the chance to share with her my deep and abiding joy in knowing that she would go through her entire life, never finding anything that was truly "correct".

To this day, it still makes me smile. Thank you for assisting in the retrieval of that memory.


My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. hush child, it is for your own good. trust me.

really. trust me.

[pdxmom]

17. I think you just have to look at Blackwater to understand what is going

on. That is going to be the neo-cons private army to quell the masses. Better trained, better armed and out state Guards are all busy out of the country.

[Uncle Joe]

18. From the same people who claim to tout states rights,

they worked their partisan friends on the Supreme Court to over rule the Florida Supreme Court during the selection of 2000, in how they count their ballots in a one time ruling, not to be used as guidance for any future Supreme Court deliberations.

So it comes as no surprise to me that those same people who claim to champion less government and that the terrorists hate us for our freedom, are doing everything they can to eliminate those very same freedoms our military are dying for, and then simultaneously these chicken hawks let the people who claimed to have attacked us on 9/11 including Osama Been Forgotten be forgotten.

I'm just curious as to when they will require bar codes stamped on all newborn babies asses?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

22. "Error: You've already recommended that thread."

Guess I'll :kick: then...

[T.Ruth2power]

24. Surveillance everywhere you turn

here in The Homeland.

K&R

[The Straight Story]

25. Your links are biased

There are plenty of people who like bush in our country, and would vote for him to be president for life and stuff....

:rofl:

(yeah a reference to all the chavez posts....)

[samsingh]

26. the wacko and wicked right wing can thank the bushes

when the next democratic government uses this apparatus on their operatives.

[humbled_opinion]

32. Exactly right the Clintons are nothing more then Bush-Lite anyway..

Its time for real change and I think America is waking up to that fact hence the correct polling for Obama.... Barrak Obama is the one man that can and will make things right for America.

[MindPilot]

29. If I Google my address in satellite mode

I can tell the blue recycle bin from the black trash bin in my back yard.

Think about it: That is what they let us have for free; just imagine the capabilities they have that we don't know about.

[Echo In Light]

30. It still blows my mind how just a few short yrs ago this stuff was largely deemed "tinfoil" at DU...

And among many people in general. Finally more are awaking and realize that yes, it can and is happening here...

[L0oniX]

31. V

[ileus]

33. In 2009 It will be ours to spy on "them" now isn't that better?

[Mark D.]

34. You Just Have To Wonder

I've an idea that this 'new straw' breaking this camel's back all over again awoke me to. Borderline police state, very high profile new ways for big bother to fuck us all over. Then suddenly, it's a bird, it's a plane, no, it's Ron Paul. Gulianni has perfectly timed 'issues' pop up about now that doom his front runner status. Romney just can't get the support he needs being a Mormon. Fred Thompson turned out to be boring to them (and he's such a good actor). Mike Huckabee is loved by the far right meaning he hasn't a shot in the general election given he'll never appear centrist. Right seeing McCain as 'pro-Amnesty'. There's nobody else worth mentioning on that side with a shot to win.

Kucinich represents all the good things we could like about Ron Paul, anti-war, pro-America, pro-civil liberties & Constitution. One caveat. He's good in the other ways. IE. for equal rights, women's rights, single-payer health insurance, etc. But he hasn't the groundswell Ron has going for him, surges of money and popularity in debates & straw polls to independents that Dennis lacks. But just think about this. Given the eye we all have on the 1984 type fascist effort in play by Cheney & his spokesmonkey Bush, so well documented, even by the otherwise complacent media. It's like they want us to notice, to loathe it and love the hero. There's far more coverage of Ron Paul than Kucinich by them.

The hero being, not the real answer, Dennis, but Ron Paul. What gets me is so many anti-globalist, anti-bankers/money-changers, 9/11 truthers and all, as much as they act as if they have some enlightenment, they miss something. The debt/war machine may work for them. But who works for corporations? The government mostly. 100% of the GOP and 80% of the Democrats (Kucinich, Biden, Feinstein and a few other exceptions.) The obvious dark side to Ron Paul or any Libertarian is corporate liberalism. No regulations for clean water or air. No workers rights. No union protections. Instead of single-payer coverage, we loose Medicare/Medicaid throwing millions into the for-profit system.

You can see where this is going. It's anarchy in a good way for corporations under a Ron Paul 'solution' to all this invasiveness & Constitutional crisis. There is nothing that is in the Constitution saying we have a right to health care. It's in the Afghanistan/Iraq constitutions when we set up their governments, but not ours. Amazing. There is nothing that says corporations have to allow unions, and give workers rights. Strange how "Mr Constitution" Paul wants to get rid of Roe V. Wade (in the constitution). There has never been a better example of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Is it possible we're missing something? A corporate power grab disguised as a 'power to the people' Ron Paul scheme?

Great if he gets us out of Iraq, no Iran. Great if he brings back Constitutional protections. A sapped FDA will let God knows what get into our food supply, more pollution and no limits on what kind of pesticides they can kill us with. Fascism is Corporatism. We know this. "Big Brother" with potential for a police state to rally the 'troops' to support the creation of a Fascist/Corporatist state, divided into a few big brothers, Monsanto, WalMart, Exxon Mobile, etc. Fucking great. Meet the new boss, worse than the old boss. I'm not saying this is what's happening for sure, none of us can be sure. But then you can not put anything above the right wing plotters and schemers, now can you?

[143tbone]

37. I think you've got something there Mark D.

I can't figure out why so many people are slobbering over this guy. Are the right wing blogs full of Ron Paul followers like DU is? I agree with the poster who said the Ron Paul phenomenon seems really Karl Rovian to him. Good observation.

[MindPilot]

38. He's hitting all the right buttons....

This exchange is from the comments section of an article on Obama in San Diego's online newspaper.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20071202-9999-1n2obama.html


By Hubcap on 12/02/2007 at 5:31 p.m.

Couple questions for the Ron Paul supporters:

Paul is for restoring the Constitution and reining in America's imperialisc adventures abroad. Beyond that, he's all about family values, deregulation and privatization. Why would you want someone so anti-government at the helm of government?

How can he call himself a Libertarian and be running with the party that shredded more rights than anyone before them?

He thinks abortion should be illegal. You can't be a Libertarian and be anti-choice...you just can't.


By HarvardPolo1 on 12/02/2007 at 6:13 p.m.

By Hubcap on 12/02/2007 at 5:31 p.m.

"He thinks abortion should be illegal. You can't be a Libertarian and be anti-choice...you just can't."

His stance is to let the states decide.

{link to Ron Paul site was here}

"How can he call himself a Libertarian and be running with the party that shredded more rights than anyone before them? "

Can you elaborate on what rights the Libertarian Party has shredded?

The Federal Government has gotten too big and bloated.

By I Have a Brain on 12/02/2007 at 12:59 p.m.

"His other positions are mostly just plain stupid. The guy is a so-called "Libertarian" who jumped aboard the Republican bank wagon to get elected. He believes in things like doing away with public schools, doing away with Social Security, and other goofy ideas. "

I disagree with Ron Paul jumping on the Republican "bank" wagon. He would like to get rid of the Department of Education, not public schools. Do your research before posting.


By greenberet on 12/02/2007 at 6:16 p.m.

If the only sticking point with Ron Paul is the choice issue...I'll take it for now.

At least with this man, you know what you're getting...and taking back our nation from the fascist neo-con religious nuts who 'talk to God' needs to be a top priority.


By mbacane on 12/02/2007 at 6:23 p.m.

Hubcap - good questions!

To me - it's about freedom and efficiency - I know that our government should supply essential services (police, fire, infrastructure, and minimal regulation) - our government is now beyond that - look at social security, welfare, and many of our other entitlement programs - entitlement does not work - Marxian principles will never work - in other words, Utopia does not exist.

He actually believes that abortion (the decision) should be left for the states.....for me it is not a big issue - but I do agree with his thoughts on this matter.

I think his message is resounding because he is following the principles that forged this nation.....


By Hubcap on 12/02/2007 at 6:39 p.m.

HarvardPolo1:
"How can he call himself a Libertarian and be running with the party that shredded more rights than anyone before them? "

Can you elaborate on what rights the Libertarian Party has shredded?

I was refering to the fact that Paul is running as a Republican.


Edited to remove link to Ron Paul site.

[LaStrega]

35. um ... Bush = perv?

I think he wants to spy on me whilst I utilize my favorite vibrator.

[rAVES]

39. Zee Vatherland must be preserved!!11