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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:11 PM
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The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez By Donald Rumsfeld
The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez
By Donald Rumsfeld
Sunday, December 2, 2007; Page B03



Today the people of Venezuela face a constitutional referendum, which, if passed, could obliterate the few remaining vestiges of Venezuelan democracy. The world is saying little and doing less as President Hugo Chávez dismantles Venezuela's constitution, silences its independent media and confiscates private property. Chávez's ambitions do not stop at Venezuela's borders, either. He has repeatedly threatened its neighbors. In late November, Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, declared that Chávez's efforts to mediate hostage talks with Marxist terrorists from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, were not welcome. Chávez responded by freezing trade with Colombia.

With diplomatic, economic and communications institutions designed for a different era, the free world has too few tools to help prevent Venezuela's once vibrant democracy from receding into dictatorship. But such a tragedy is not preordained. In fact, we face a moment when swift decisions by the United States and like-thinking nations could dramatically help, supporting friends and allies with the courage to oppose an aspiring dictator with regional ambitions.

The best place to start is with the prompt passage and signing of the Colombian free trade agreement, which has been languishing in Congress for months. Swift U.S. ratification of the pact would send an unequivocal message to the people of Colombia, the opposition in Venezuela and the wider region that they do not stand alone against Chávez. It would also provide concrete economic opportunities to the people of Colombia, helping to offset the restrictions being imposed by Venezuela -- and it would strengthen the U.S. economy in the bargain.

The importance of the Venezuela-Colombia clash goes beyond turmoil in the U.S. back yard. The episode can help us understand what's at stake in a new age of globalization and information, an age in which trade networks can be as powerful as military alliances. Extending freedom from the political sphere to the economic one and building the global architecture, such as free trade agreements, to support those relationships can -- and should -- be a top priority for the United States in the 21st century.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:13 PM
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1. LOL!
:rofl:
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:14 PM
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2. Amazing isn't it
Maybe now Rummy could get a Nobel Prize with Henry K. giving the award.

Surreal days in The Empire.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:16 PM
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4. We're well beyond the looking glass.
Mitt Romney has promised to oppose Chavez, too.

I can't even respond any more. TILT. TILT. TILT.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 05:08 PM
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9. If we had a Free Press and NOT
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 05:09 PM by zidzi
corporatemediaWHORES then they couldn't get away with making these promises. They know m$$$$$$$m will back them up. It just pisses me off that the Fascists are all coming together to get rid of Chavez.

I'm hoping Chavez will show them all a thing or two about how to beat the fucking bushites of the world.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 12:39 PM
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18. Hillary & Obama included Chavez in a list of Worst Dictators.
Back when they were measuring their Penises, Hillary and Obama had a "gotcha" campaign moment when discussing whether they would negotiate directly with dictators like Castro, Chavez, and Ahmadinejad.

Even "Liberal" Democratic leaders are co-operating with the government (Corporate) program to demonize Chavez.

John Kerry (one of my ex-heroes) is working with the Corporations and Venezuelan Aristocracy to destroy Chavez.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0319d.html

What's Up with That, John?

It is frightening that our Corporate Party (even John Fucking Kerry) are unable to recognize a vital new DEMOCRACY emerging from centuries of Western Corporate Subjugation.

Chavez is "Negro y Indio" (Black and Indian). He comes from the (until recently) PERMANENTLY disenfranchised MAJORITY. 80% of Venezuelans ARE "Indio y Negro".
Chavez speaks for THEM.
He has WON several honest & transparent elections by wide margins.


One of the few places in the WORLD where there is any hope for DEMOCRACY is in South America!


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:03 PM
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23. Nancy Pelosi called him a thug. n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:14 PM
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3. How wonderful it is that America allows its war criminals such freedom!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:22 PM
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5. But how do we beat tyrants like Rumsfeld?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:29 PM
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:25 PM
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6. Abso-fuckin' lutely Astounding!
Just another potential target for the Shock Doctrine.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:42 PM
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8. Hell, we've had a Free Trade Agreement with Columbia for decades.
They send cocaine to us and we send dollars to them.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 05:27 PM
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10. The moral of the story:
Rumsfeld is an asshole.

Hugo is an asshole.

Two assholes don't make a bed of roses.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:25 PM
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11. I figured Rumsfeld was mapping a corporate oil war for South America...
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 09:27 PM by Peace Patriot
--against Venezuela and the other Andes democracies (rich in oil, gas, minerals and other resources), in his 'retirement.'

Didn't I call it? Didn't I? Yup. I did!

Wish I could find those posts. But no matter. He's out of the closet now.

People, we have not been posting passionately, and trading info, and battling trolls, over some minor, off the radar side-issue in U.S. politics--obscure countries in South America and their political troubles and U.S. foreign policy. Venezuela is CENTER STAGE in a WAR PLAN.

And we need to grok this fast. I thought this was a spoof when I first started reading it Truly. A joke. But it isn't. And I had put the matter in a file drawer myself, after I put my 'conspiracy theory' out there, about Rumsfeld's next move--thinking it was a long term plan. But now my brain is busy with it again, and some of the things Rumsfeld says in this op-ed indicate that the plan could be in motion NOW--not later.

It could be just a Bushite tactic to scare Venezuelan voters--typical terrorist instincts of the Bushites. But let's consider it as a serious plan--

"...we face a moment when swift decisions by the United States and like-thinking nations could dramatically help, supporting friends and allies with the courage to oppose an aspiring dictator with regional ambitions." --Rumsfeld

This indicates that they DO have a coup plan, and they ARE going to--or at least have plans drawn up to--provide U.S. military support of it. What else can "swift decisions" mean?

"Like-thinking nations"?

Is there anybody else in the world right now who could be described as "like-thinking nations" with Rumsfeld and the Bushites?

It's hard to come up with any candidates. The last of the Iraq "coalition" partners (or pretty much the last of them) have recently changed governments and are withdrawing their troops (Australia, the UK). Others long ago pulled out, and there is high hostility to the U.S. everywhere else. Russia, China and India and a number of other countries may be actively participating in a plan to CURTAIL the outlaw Bush regime. Who would cooperate with Rumsfeld in a military assault on the Bolivarian countries?

In South America...

Obviously Colombia. A Bush 'client state.' But who else? There are few countries left in South America that are not Chavez allies, with many leaders having gone out of their way to support him and fend off U.S. interference. One of them, Rafael Correa in Ecuador, has pledged NOT to renew the U.S. military base lease in Ecuador--but that won't expire for a year or so. So there may be some urgency to this Rumsfeld plan. (Ecuador borders Colombia, with Venezuela on the other side (NE) of Colombia.)

They've also beefed up the U.S. air base in Paraguay--which has about 500 U.S. troops (I think--trying to remember the details of all this), near a big chunk of land--200,000 acres?--on a major aquifer, that the Bush Cartel is rumored to have purchased. Paraguay may well go leftist in this year's election. (The highly revered and popular "bishop of the poor," Fernando Lugo, is running for president.) So time may be running out in Paraguay as well, as a useful launching pad for Oil War II (with no trouble from the gov't). Paraguay borders Bolivia (Chavez ally), also with big gas/oil reserves and other resources, and on-going destabilization efforts by the U.S. And, militarily, it would make sense to attack these two allies (Venezuela, Bolivia) simultaneously, so they can't help each other.

Ecuador (Bolivarian) and Peru (Bush-friendly, "free trade" zone) would be caught in the middle, of a simultaneous attack on Venezuela and Bolivia. Peru's president, Allen Garcia, is "bought and paid for," and likely would permit U.S. boots on the ground (or Blackwater boots) if Rafael Correa made some move to hamper the U.S. military in Ecuador. I should also mention the indigenous tribes mostly in mountainous areas, within and on the borders of all of these countries. Some of them are very activist and courageous people, who have been struggling against Corporate's pollution and destruction of their environments for decades. And those in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador are allied with the Bolivarian governments and their leaders. (In fact, I think Evo Morales in Bolivia may have an indigenous presidential guard.)

But Colombia of course is wide open to the U.S. military and anything Donald Rumsfeld wants to do. I have been watching this FARC hostage negotiation thing in the news pretty closely, as I feared that it might be a trap for Chavez. Rumsfeld's disinformation about it is, of course, shameless.

Uribe (president of Colombia, Bush buddy) INVITED Hugo Chavez to try to negotiate a hostage release. He then, a few days ago, abruptly withdrew that request--after Chavez had made some progress on 'proof of life' issues. And the Colombian senator who was working with Chavez has been jailed--or charged with something.

Uribe's excuse for cutting off the negotiation was that Chavez had called a top general in the Colombia military. It was actually the senator who made the phone call; it was very short, and it was to verify the number of Colombian soldiers that FARC had kidnapped. And also, I suspect that Chavez needed direct assurance from the Colombian military that they could control their members and paramilitaries, who might use a negotiation to kill FARC leaders (and perhaps endanger Chavez himself). Uribe says Chavez broke the rules--called the military. (Why this was a rule--or if it really was--I don't know.) That is the excuse Uribe used to stop the negotiation--an odd excuse.

Now, some FARC members have been arrested (by Colombia) who were carrying the 'proof of life' documentation. Hostage families have rejoiced at the 'proof of life,' and have credited Chavez.

You have to wonder about the bad faith of arresting FARC members who may have been traveling to or from a negotiation site, and probably don't often get caught that way--don't travel in dangerous areas, where the Colombian military is in control.

What may have been going on with this--in the White House basement, Rumsfeld's hole in the Pentagon, and between the Bush Junta and Uribe? Could they have planned something, Chavez got onto it, and they aborted the plan? (Thus Uribe comes out and breaks off the negotiation, with some lame excuse.) Could the Colombian general have warned Chavez of something? If the plan was, say, to kill Chavez in the crossfire of some confused black ops scene, Rumsfeld & co. must be mighty disappointed about it. Thus he comes out with an op-ed virtually declaring war on Venezuela--possibly just to scare Venezuelan voters, but we don't know.

(There may have been a dress rehearsal, when some hostages were killed by the rightwing paramilitaries, recently. They apparently just sneaked up on the scene--a FARC camp--and started shooting, with no effort to protect the hostages. Confusion about it in the news went on for days. But finally somebody speaking for FARC said something like: why would we shoot our own hostages? We didn't do it. The attackers just started shooting and killed the hostages. (It wasn't crossfire. It was murder.) I wondered about this incident. Put in the present context, it makes sense as a rehearsal (which also include rehearsals of how things are to be played in the corporate media). Also, nobody knew who the attackers were. (Blackwater?)

Anyway, it's easy to believe that Colombia would collude with Rumsfeld/Bush on a war plan.

And I cannot think of another candidate country in South America who would do such a thing. Central America is another matter, though.

Mexico? Rightwing government (stolen election), big "war on drugs" military boondoggle, and a vast poor, discontented, activist, leftist population, which almost won the last election.

Guatemala? Cross-roads of drug/weapons traffic, very violent political scene, with horrendous U.S.-supported slaughter in the 1980s. But they just elected a progressive government--their first ever. President who opposes a police state and supports human rights. Not leftist/Bolivarian, as far as I know. Probably couldn't do much about U.S. military intervention.

Honduras? Extremely poor, corrupt rightwing gov't. Past launching pad for U.S. illegal wars (in Nicaragua, El Salvador). Nicaragua would probably resist U.S. Not sure of El Salvador (fairly rightwing, still). Panama, pretty much a U.S. 'client state.' Costa Rica would be very upset, but couldn't do much. Cuba? Who knows what Cuba would do? But the Bush Junta would nuke them without a thought, if they could find an excuse to do it.

And in the wider world?

Spain? Chavez obviously suspects them of something. Hard to say. It's supposed to have a socialist government.

EU? Complicity of some, possibly--but not openly. (Rich investors, banks, corps hurting from not being able rob the poor so much any more, via World Bank/IMF usury, and rip off their resources. Bolivarianism catching on all over the S/A continent.)

And don't forget Poland.

Some things that put this Rumsfeld war plan into the realm of the fantastic...

In Bush's visit to Latin America last spring, the president of Mexico (rightwing pal) publicly lectured Bush on the SOVEREIGNTY of Latin American countries, and mentioned Venezuela as an example! Figure THAT out. Would Calderon support U.S. military action against Venezuela and Bolivia? He'd have a general uprising on his hands if he did, I think.

Arrayed against Generalisimo Rumsfeld: Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Nicaragua, probably Chile, with some, like Paraguay, Peru, Mexico and others, possibly trying to be neutral, so as not to ignite revolution in their own countries.

It could possibly mean the END of U.S./Latin American relations. Break-off of diplomatic relations by many countries. Success of Nicaragua's recent proposal to create an OAS without the U.S. as a member. Quicker formation of a South American "Common Market" and common currency (to get off the dollar).

A diplomatic and economic disaster for the U.S.--akin to Iraq.

Not that that would stop Rumsfeld.

We need to consider a sneakier Rumsfeld war plan, which I will do in a moment. Also, the ECONOMIC war plan, the main overt thrust of this article.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:53 AM
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14. Seriously appreciating your analysis...here's one of your predictions...
posted by Peace Patriot Sat Sep-08-07

I suppose it's not fair to blame Stanford--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2982578&mesg_id=2983274
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:01 PM
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22. Har-har! I forgot the other part of that post (my prediction that Rumfeld's
next project, after Iraq, would be Venezuela)--the part about denying ex-Bushites electricity and oil, as their punishment. It's pretty funny, if I do say so myself. And I mean it VERY seriously!
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:12 PM
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29. Well, I permalinked & favorited your post on my puter, cause denying them energy...
could be like the ultimate psychological torture to folk like that...better than any sentence I can imagine. A dream come true for the millions who've suffered and died at the hands of the oil-cons!

Thanks for all of your seriously deep thinking that you regularly present in your posts!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 01:19 PM
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19. Excellent analysis and commentary!
Thanks.

The emerging social democracies in South America (of the People, by the People, FOR the People)
give me hope.
Even Mexico was close last year.
I don't believe the Plutocracy will be able to rig another election there.

Viva Democracy!
Praying for the Bolivarian Reforms migrate to El Norte!


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:51 PM
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12. Apparently Rumsfeld is in favor of ending US sovereignty, selling us
out to his globalist masters.

Look at what he is saying here:

"The importance of the Venezuela-Colombia clash goes beyond turmoil in the U.S. back yard. The episode can help us understand what's at stake in a new age of globalization and information, an age in which trade networks can be as powerful as military alliances. Extending freedom from the political sphere to the economic one and building the global architecture, such as free trade agreements, to support those relationships can -- and should -- be a top priority for the United States in the 21st century."

Here's another view from an anti-globalist that is concerned about countries and cultures maintaining sovreignty from globalist world domination:

"The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarfs rebel . ."

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/ezln/1997/jigsaw.html

And Don, just like to comment about Iraq:

Heckuva job, Rummy.



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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:23 PM
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13. Um..they don't like to be called the U.S. backyard.
"the Venezuela-Colombia clash goes beyond turmoil in the U.S. back yard."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:47 AM
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15. Shock doctrine to be applied to Chavez's Venezuela?
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:32 AM
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16. You know, I can't be bothered to read the words of a madman
But I know Rummy's M.O., so I can pretty much surmise what he has to say. But does anybody take him seriously any more? Any of the neocons? Why would thw Washington Post, who at the very least should want to project an image of impartiality, give his imperialist drivel an outlet? Maybe they think it's like the Unabomber Manifesto, and by printing it they can prevent more killing.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:36 AM
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17. Next week, an essay by Rudy Guiliani about how to treat philanderers like Bill Clinton....
The Washington Post ought to be ashamed for allowing that into print.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 01:24 PM
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20. The U.S. backyard? Shouldn't we be cleaning up
our front yard before casting our asparagus on others?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 02:23 PM
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21. Ah, yes, that "globalization of free trade" crock, to enrich the already-obscenely wealthy.
Is there a person alive who stil believes people like Rumsfeld??
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:14 PM
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24. THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED = FILM on the Failed Overthrow of Hugo Chavez
If at first you fail .... this is a must see history of the unsuccessful plot to overthrow the democratic government of Venezuela.
The plot succeeded and a dictator was quickly installed, but the People rose up to defend Chavez. Before I give away the whole story.....

And NOW, presenting, for your viewing discretion at any time

THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
KIM BARTLEY AND DONNACHA O'BRIAIN
1 hr 14 min - Apr 23, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

Stephen Holden, The New York Times
"More than a scary close-up look at the raw mechanics of a power grab, the film is
also a cautionary examination of the use of television to deceive and manipulate the public." ...

War criminal Rumsfeld has nothing on past President Taft.
This quote of interest is from a time when political speech was more direct:
http://www.chavezthefilm.com/html/backgrd/usa.htm

1912 - U.S. marines invade Nicaragua, beginning
an occupation that was to last almost continuously until 1933.

President Taft declares: "The day is not far distant
when three Stars & Stripes at three equidistant points will mark
our territory: one at the North Pole, another at the Panama Canal and
the third at the South Pole. The whole hemisphere will be ours in fact
as, by virtue of our superiority of race, it already is ours morally."

Sound familiar? Much more at the linked page.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:29 PM
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25. Shut the fuck up Rumsfeld
You should be in the Hague in chains.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:39 PM
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26. Where was Donald Rumsfeld when ...
Reagan Administration

... a pro-Iraq policy was adopted when the Iran-Iraq war began to go strongly in Iran's favor, and it looked as if Iran would overrun Iraq completely. Although the United States was hesitant to support a Soviet client state, the prospect of a greatly expanded Iran outweighed these concerns. When Rumsfeld visited on December 19–December 20, 1983, he and Saddam Hussein had a 90-minute discussion that covered Syria's occupation of Lebanon, preventing Syrian and Iranian expansion, preventing arms sales to Iran by foreign countries, increasing Iraqi oil production via a possible new oil pipeline across Jordan. According to declassified U.S. State Department documents Rumsfeld also informed Tariq Aziz (Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister) that: "Our efforts to assist were inhibited by certain things that made it difficult for us ... citing the use of chemical weapons."<22> Rumsfeld brought many gifts from the Reagan administration. These gifts included pistols, medieval spiked hammers even a pair of golden cowboy spurs. Until the 1991 Gulf war these were all displayed at Saddam's Victory Museum in Baghdad which held all the gifts bestowed on Saddam by world leaders.<23>

During his brief bid for the 1988 Republican nomination, Rumsfeld stated that restoring full relations with Iraq was one of his best achievements. This was not a particularly controversial position at the time, when U.S. policy considered ties with Iraq an effective bulwark against Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:42 PM
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28. Criminal charges sought
Criminal charges sought

Criminal charges were sought in 2004 by Wolfgang Kaleck as well as Michael Ratner and Peter Weiss of the U.S.-based Center for Constitutional Rights in German courts against Donald Rumsfeld for war crimes. They were rejected by German Federal Public Prosecutor Kay Nehm with the explanation that criminal prosecution in the nations of the accused and the victims should be given priority.<67><68>

On 14 November 2006, 11 former prisoners of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo were backed by over 30 human rights organizations in support of charges by Wolfgang Kaleck and the CCR lodged at the German Federal Attorney General (Generalbundesanwalt) against Rumsfeld, former CIA Director George Tenet, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez and a number of other high U.S. officials. They invoke command responsibility in blaming the accused officials for various alleged human rights violations in Abu Ghraib in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay. According to a spokesmen of the agency Federal Public Prosecutor Monika Harms will examine the statement of claim now.<69><68> Notable co-plaintiffs include 1980 Nobel Peace Prize winner Adolfo Pérez Esquivel (Argentine), 2002 Nobel Peace Prize winner Martín Almada (Paraguay), Theo van Boven, the former United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture. On March 15, 2007, the city council of Berkeley, California endorsed the war crimes complaint from Germany. <3>

Similar criminal charges are being sought in France. A complaint has been filed before a French court accusing Rumsfeld of authorizing and ordering torture. The complaint invokes the provisions of the United Nations Convention Against Torture, ratified by both the United States and France, which provides that signatory countries must prosecute a torturer or someone who knowingly oversees torturers, irrespective of where the torture occurred. The complaint argues ..........
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 05:42 PM
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27. But how do you beat tyrants like Rumsfeld?
That's the REAL question the world is asking today.
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