I would appreciate it if people would quit being dishonest about

[mmonk]

the interview with Elizabeth Kucinich. Let's move on to honest debate please. She did not indicate Dennis is seeking to present a Kucinich/Paul ticket but was politely answering a question.

[MADem]

1. Well, the right answer would be "You'd have to ask my husband about that."

What she said was, to be charitable, fucking idiotic.

[DemBones DemBones]

17. She's a grown woman, why should she say "You'd have to ask my

husband about that"?

From what I've read she said "To consideration -- absolutely" which means nothing more than "Sure, he will think about it."

She didn't say he would do it, only that he would consider it. She didn't say he would consider it seriously.

That's not "fucking idiotic." Obviously, some here think she should have said Ron Paul was a right wing nutcase and her husband would never even speak to him, but it would have been fucking idiotic for her to say that. Remember that Paul and Kucinich have presumably known each other for years in Congress and they might need to work together in the future, so why would an intelligent woman like Elizabeth Kucinich make trouble for her husband? She wouldn't.

It's a polite statement that has no real meaning except in the minds of people who want to attack one or both Kuciniches.

I'm sure we'll hear soon enough if there's anything more to the idea of Kucinich and Paul running together. They disagree on a lot of issues so it wouldn't be easy to work out, but considering how many people have gotten fed up with both major parties, they could be a winning ticket, a Unity 08 ticket unaffiliated with Unity 08.

I doubt we'll see it but I wish Dennis would run as an independent or third party candidate. He's loyal to the party but should see that the party has left him and moved to the right.

[JVS]

38. Because the question would have to be directed to Mr. Kucinich to have an answer of any relevance.

[MADem]

42. Because it isn't HER decision to make. THAT's why.

She is NOT running. She should not speak for him in that fashion.

What she did, though, was put a knife through his campaign--not that it was going anywhere, anyway.

[mmonk]

45. Much ado about nothing.

[MADem]

50. Whistle past that graveyard, then! nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. Then why interview her at all?

I think referring it back to her husband would have been a terrible answer. And I commend her for what she said. Do you realize how many supporters Ron Paul has? Sooner or later, many of them will realize he has no chance of winning the nomination. Perhaps they will then look for another candidate. And who is better than Kucinich for Ron Paul supporters?

[MADem]

43. Because she's half his age with a pierced tongue and she's

exceptionally good looking, AND she's English.

Christ, have you no concept of "celebrity?" There doesn't HAVE to be meaning or import, each and every day. She's what's called "a CHARACTER." The fact that she's a hot character makes her all the more saleable.

I hate to tell you this, but of the three people in this race who have absolutely NO fucking chance of winning the nomination or a spot on the ticket, Paul isn't bringing up the rear--he's not even second.

This sentence was born out of pure lack of knowledge: And who is better than Kucinich for Ron Paul supporters?

You don't have a CLUE as to Paul's stances on the issues. Not a clue. As Kucinich's hot wife would say "They're as different as Chalk and Cheese." If she had a clue, that is.

[cali]

2. no one's being dishonest about it that I've seen.

people react to that in different ways. I tend to think it was simply a gaffe on her part, and that Dennis would never consider such a thing. Just because people don't agree with you, doesn't mean they're being dishonest. And it's not up to you to say that they are.

[mmonk]

9. They don't mind saying what she is.

[monmouth]

3. I had to look twice at that myself...lol.

[trumad]

4. Dishonest?

When asked if her husband would consider being on the ticket with Paul--- Elizabeth used the word "Absolutely" and she was emphatic in her tone.

[mmonk]

5. Sorry, but Elizabeth is not a "dingbat".

She is a smart and informed person.

[trumad]

12. If hse was informed she wouldn't have said something so uninformed.

[mmonk]

14. So you won't mind me starting a thread on Bill Clinton

the next thing he does or says something that seems supportive of the bushes as maybe descibing him as a dumbass? Dennis and Ron are currently working on bipartisan legislation to try and restore constitutional rule and checks and balances.

[cuke]

36. This Clinton supporter says "Go ahead"

It's been done; Overdone.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Yes she said he would CONSIDER it

That's not the same as saying he is choosing Ron Paul for his running mate.

It was a really smart thing to say, IMO. Maybe she won some support from Ron Paul folks.

[blondeatlast]

6. Me too, but she doesn't get a pass on this one.

I can't watch the vid, it's locking up my 'puter, but I've read through both threads so far and I have to say she blew some real credibility with this ill-informed statement.

The ONLY proper response from a progressive is a polite "While I respect him for his courageous stance against the occupation of Iraq, I do not respect many of his other positions and it simply unthinkable to share a ticket with him (or something polite to that effect)."

given that DK changed his mind about abortion rights for reasons I still don't understand (but strongly smack of political convenience) I don't want these two together anywhere near where they can make a choice over a woman's body. :scared:

I respect DK--he certainly is courageous--but politically savvy, not so much.

[mmonk]

8. It would be better if you watched.

[DemBones DemBones]

19. The ONLY proper response from a progressive is the

one you thought up while playing armchair quarterback?

Elizabeth Kucinich gave a proper response when she said her husband would absolutely consider running with Ron Paul. That's just a nice way of saying "He'd think about it." She didn't say he'd do it or even that he'd seriously consider it.

DUers are reading other meanings into her statement and saying "She shoulda said this," "She shoulda said that." Maybe she shoulda said something different but there's nothing wrong with what she said and she didn't have time to compose a "perfect" answer the way we do on a message board.

I'm glad she didn't allow herself to be sucked into attacking any of Dennis's opponents. Too many spouses have gone down that road already. Spouses should stick to promoting their candidate-spouse's agenda, not try to be attack dogs.

[blondeatlast]

41. Sorry-but no, she should have politely stated she respects his Iraq stance but

that he is woefully, horribly, ignorantly unprogressive on other issues. The progressivism is what I admire so much about Kucinich (who I cast my priomary 04 vote for, btw)--and why I can't give a second thought to creepy Ron Paul.

The LaRouche types supporting Ron Paul have NOTHING to offer progtressives--even his stance on Iraq is right for all the wrong reasons.

And yes, I damn well do armchair quarterback this stuff, that's why I'm at DU. And in this case, I'm more media savvy than Ms. Kucinich (I have some experience from both sides in that regard, btw).

Shall I clear my learned opinion with you next time? I'll pass, thank you. I'm goddamned entitled to it.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. I don't see what's dishonest

about the discussion. She was asked a direct question, and answered "Absolutely!". I havent seen anyone claim that Kucinich is trying to run with Paul.

If Bill Clinton were asked if Hillary would consider running with Rudy Giuliani, and he answered "Absolutely!", there'd be a fair amount of discussion of it here, and it wouldn't necessarily be dishonest.

[mmonk]

15. When Hillary and Rudy are working on bipartisan legislation to

restore constitutional government and constitutional checks and balances, get back with me and we'll talk.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. I thought we were discussing whether

the discussion was "dishonest".

If you want to discuss what a good guy Paul is, there are lots of other places on the internet to do that.

[mmonk]

46. Can you show me where I was saying what a great guy he is?

I was saying there was no reason for Elizabeth to dis Ron Paul in that situation and currently, they are trying to get legislation they were working on together passed.

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Hillary and Rudy are not on the same page on any issues, are they?

On the other hand, Kucinich and Paul do have a few things in common.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. that's irrelevant to my point

which is that it's not "dishonest" to discuss what she said. She said it, and we're discussing it.

There's nothing dishonest about it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. I don't think it is fair to compare this to Hillary and Rudy

because they are lots farther apart than Kucinich and Paul.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. the comparison

has nothing to do with the degree of similarity between Giuliani and Clinton or Kucinich and Paul.

It has to do with whether any such discussion would be "dishonest", if we were discussing what a spouse said.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Well if Bill Clinton said Hillary would consider Rudy as her running mate,

I would think he lost his mind.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. If he said that

and we discussed it here, would discussing it be "dishonest"?

You're just not getting it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. I get it

Elizabeth Kucinich said her husband would "CONSIDER" Ron Paul as his running mate. It is dishonest to suggest she said anything else.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. And I haven't seen anybody

present it as anything other than that.

You may want to call it "dishonest" because it's an uncomfortable truth that she said it. But that doesn't make it dishonest. It just makes it a rough morning to be a Kucinich defender.

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. And therein lies the dishonesty

Kucinich didn't make the statement. His wife did. I will defend her for what SHE said. But until he makes a statement, it is dishonest to frame the discussion that way.

Sorry you don't get it.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. sigh

I haven't seen anybody say that Dennis Kucinich said it.

You haven't demonstrated where anybody's been dishonest.

[U4ikLefty]

40. No you merely imlpied things....which is also dishonest.

[MonkeyFunk]

51. what did *I* imply?

got a link?

[blondeatlast]

10. Then let's make it fair. Let's ask all the candidates' spouses

the same question--and that will enable this undecided voter to narrow down the list considerably.

If it's even thinkable--off my list.

Ron Paul scares me more than romney or Ghoul9/11--and they are a enough to keep me under the covers in my locked bedroom.

:scared:

[blondeatlast]

11. If someone can offer something other than the HuffPo link, I'll try.

That one locked up my system but good.

I'm trying to be fair, but Ron Paul scares the bejeezus out of me. I can't even begin to consider him worthy.

[trumad]

13. You tube.... it's near the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjiGuOsKr04&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/23/elizabeth-kucinich-my-hu_n_73905.html

[JVS]

39. Hey, she reminds me of David St. Hubbin's girlfriend from Spinal Tap!

Cool!

[robcon]

18. Have to get an answer from Dennis Kucinich.

His wife doesn't (always) speak for him, IMO.

If Dennis agrees about Paul, then I think his support would dry up pretty quickly. Otherwise - it's just an opinion by the candidate's spouse.

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. I thought it was a great answer

She could have acted like a brainless twit and said "Oh you should ask my husband about that" but she didn't. That alone earns her points with me.

She also obviously recognizes the groundswell of support for Ron Paul. I know he isn't really a popular person here on DU but you have to pay attention to the movement he is building. He is getting a lot of people interested in the election who haven't been involved in politics before. I commend him for that.

[backwoodsbob]

33. Ron Paul is dangerous

that said...the bullshit thrown her way for saying some HE DIDN'T SAY is hilarious

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. I think he is crazy

But I admire his campaign. It's amazing in many ways.

[aikoaiko]

34. So when she followed her answer by calling Ron Paul a "great truth teller"

That was just being polite too?

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[magellan]

52. Is Paul lying when he says the Iraq war was fabricated

...and the American people were manipulated into it by BushCo?

Is he lying about the lack of accountability in government?

Was he lying about the threat of the neocons when he gave his floor speech "Neo-conned" back in 2003?

Truth isn't the private domain of any political party; it simply is. Your suggestion that EK was wrong to acknowledge the common ground between DK and RP is nothing short of absurd.

[Basileus Basileon]

37. The right answer would have been "no," or possibly even "ask him." She said he was considering it,

which is horrible.

[Desertrose]

44. Me too.

When you listen to the interview- you realize its not the way its made to sound here......

[Debi]

47. why? It got DK's name in the news. Isn't that the point of any interview

to get him attention. Good or Bad. Everybody's talking about Dennis.

[Mike03]

48. Thank you for the clarification. It did sound inconceivable, or

misinterpreted in some way.

Thanks.

[Mike03]

49. K & R

Your posts are very intelligent, thoughtful and honest. I definitely read them when I see them.