Many A Deer Will Die Today

[ThomWV]

The following is written simply for your information and makes no attempt to sway your opinion about anything at all.

In West Virginia, and other eastern states, hunting season for white tail deer with a gun is in full swing right now. Thanks Giving day is the hottest hunting day here. In our county the public schools are closed for the entire week and the woods have been crawling with young folk since very early monday morning. This will be a good year for them too even though the number harvested annually has been dropping for years. Last winter was mild and so few died from starvation and fewer died from predation than would be normal. Our summer was mild with adequate rainfall; the mast is heavy. It rained most of last week which soaked the leaf fall; the woods are quiet. The winds are blowing and the temperature came way up yesterday and is holding at about 60; anyone would enjoy a day like this in the woods.

The bullets for a high powered rifle cost less than $0.50 each. Good rifles cost a considerable amount of money and evoke pride in their owners. There are other ways to hunt too of course. Bows and arrows and pistols each have their own seasons. There are seasons for other game as well. Small game; squirrel, rabbit, and various game birds can be hunted from mid October until early spring. Bear and Wild Boar are hunted by people who are lucky enough to draw a winning number in the state's lottery for the appropriate permits. Turkey, almost the national bird, are hunted during two short seasons, one in the fall when hunting for either sex is difficult and one in the spring during which only Toms can be hunted and only until 10:00am. The dates and times are regulated such as to protect the females and the nests. The setting of the seasons is not haphazard; much thought and sime science goes into it,

About 175,000 deer will be killed in this state this year. Probably half of those will die today.

[Mutineer]

1. Okay, I'm not supporting hunters here

I do not hunt, have never hunted and would never do it. BUT. . . let's look at this from the other side. There's been an explosion in the deer population in many states. Sometimes hunting is not necessarily a bad thing as it thins out herds and keeps these animals from starving to death when food sources are maxxed out due to these over populations.

[RC]

6. If we humans had not over run the deer's normal feeding grounds and mostly

killed off their natural predators there would not be a problem. Another problem is we go after the biggest and best, leaving the weak and sickly. And we wonder why disease spreads through the various herds.


There is popcorn & drinks available in the lobby.

[alarimer]

21. The populations are managed scientifically

The limits are based on what is known about the deer populations. Here in Texas the annual limit is like one or two per person per year. They do censuses by helicopter and airplane prior to the season. In many cases biologists and landowners work together to ensure the populations stay healthy. True, there is a little too much trophy attitude for my taste. But the hunters I know sometimes go for weeks without shooting anything (except maybe wild pigs- to which I say, have at it).

It is in places where hunting is not allowed or near new developments where deer are overpopulated and undernourished as a result.

True, it is not their fault humans have encroached into places where they live. But deer are probably as numerous or more numerous in most places than they have ever been.

Now my field is fisheries biology not wildlife biology, but the principles are essentially the same. Animals produce more young than is needed to replace themselves and this excess can be harvested without damaging the populations.

[Mutineer]

52. Where are we supposed to live if we don't?

?

[ret5hd]

176. You honestly can't conceive of alternatives to urban sprawl?

Your question is almost as ridiculous as the question "What would we do with all the cows?" when discussing alternatives to beef.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

149. Well, unless you plan on instituting hunting season on humans in W Virginia

and several other states, it's not a bad idea to open hunting season on deer.

[yardwork]

195. There really are a zillion deer in the U.S. and very few appear to be weak and sickly.

I'm not a hunter and I feel badly for the deer, but I think that this is a minor, minor issue compared to say, Iraq.

[Teaser]

2. venison is tasty

mmm....

[madrchsod]

3. it certainly is

but i like elk better...of course bison burgers are heaven and really good for ya!

[trof]

10. I'm making venison chili tomorrow.

Feeding a dozen folks for the Alabama-Auburn game on TV Saturday.

[cgrindley]

127. Deer Meat Chili Recipe

Venison chili

chop up the following:

1 anaheim
1 habenero (if one is brave)
1 red jalapeno
1 green jalapeno
1 red bell pepper
3 or 4 banana peppers
1/4 cup of dried chipotle peppers

put in cast iron pot and add

2 heaping teaspoons of crushed garlic
2 cups of chicken stock

fry the snot out of the above and reduce reduce reduce
when thick and paste-like put in blender and puree
set aside

in same pot
fry 1 or 2 pounds of deer meat in olive oil
brown meat (don't cook all the way through)
remove meat and set aside

in same pot
fry up one large diced yellow onion
brown the onion
add the browned meat
now add

2 tablespoons cumin
2 tablespoons chili powder
1/8 cup paprika
1/4 cup brown sugar
2 tablespoons beef demi glaze
1 tablespoon veal demi glaze
1 teaspoon crushed black pepper
the grated rind of one lime
the juice of one lime
some salt

cook this somewhat

now add chili pepper puree

now add
1 bottle of beer
1/4 cup of vintage port

once that has reduced to paste, add another bottle of beer and repeat, now, another, then another. You
should have reduced 4 bottles of beer.

The chili is now good. If you want to go on, fine. If you don't, that's also fine.

now add can of crushed tomato

if you don't mind, add
a couple of cans of heritage beans
soldier beans and trout beans are nice
set on a simmer
reduce some more

now add a chopped bunch of cilantro


yum! serve with cornbread and beer

[B Calm]

137. Sounds good. I think I'll try it out!

[tammywammy]

55. I had venison summer sausage today

Delicious!

[Dorian Gray]

4. I could never hunt

and holding a gun makes me extraordinarily uncomfortable. But, if there is no hunting season for deer, they become overpopulated. Then they die through starvation or encroaching onto highways and being hit by speeding cars.

[Skittles]

169. there's too many people too

let's slaughter them for sport too

[Skink]

5. Cheney's up early.

[gulliver]

42. His deer is anesthesized and ready for Cheney to shoot him.

Big old 18-point buck trucked in from a Montana petting zoo... With the deer unconscious, Cheney should be able to hit him on the fourth or fifth shot. Then the NYT will print a story about Cheney "bagging a buck" this year.

[madrchsod]

7. my wife and i both killed deer several years ago-with our car

...i`d hazard a guess and say cars are more dangerous to deer than hunters. since the deer have no natural predators left it`s up to humans to thin the herds.

[alarimer]

22. Once I drove from College Station back home to Corpus and saw over 100 deer by the side of the road

They were all alive and out grazing but it was scary because I never knew when one might dart across the road.

I did hit a pig once in my car. The big ones can do a lot of damage but all it did was puncture my tire.

[lumberjack_jeff]

38. The deer that my brother hit with my car...

... would have been much better off to meet his end in another way.

[cosmik debris]

8. Hunting season on carrots is year 'round.

Baby spinach is slaughtered daily in the valleys of California. People don't even seem to think twice before destroying the embryonic corn and beans.

Why Oh Why are we such a cruel species that kills just for our own nutritional gratification.

I just don't get it.


:)

[ChazII]

13. Beautiful words which desserve

a DUzy.:)

[cosmik debris]

18. I hate it when people discriminate against plants!

Our brethren in the Plant Kingdom are abused remorselessly. HAVE THEY NO RIGHTS?

Today on TV you will see plants that were cultivated and groomed for the sole purpose of providing traction for men who wear cleats to trample and abuse them! I say boycott football!

(as for me, I will offer up a burnt sacrifice of selected Indica and Sativa flowers to appease the Plant Gods. Don't try that at home!)

[ChazII]

28. People don't remember

the tests that were done. The tests where scientist recorded plants' screams when be pulled or cut. Yes, we need a lobby or group to support the rights of plants. They are truly the last group to be discriminated against.

[cosmik debris]

29. What about having their babies ripped from their arms

and mutilated by plant haters who arrogantly give themselves the label of Vegetarians?

Do people honestly believe that they can cover up their cruelty by using a benevolent sounding label? It's genocide, and they want to pretend that they have the moral high ground.

For Shame! :cry:


TeeHee :)

[ChazII]

34. This has been a fun way

to start the holiday. Thanks for your humor! :D Have a yummy day.

[DemBones DemBones]

51. If you're referring to the claims that plants feel pain,

there are no reliable scientific studies that indicate that.

[Critters2]

104. Yep. No central nervous system=no sensation of pain. nt

[yewberry]

108. But it's so FUNNY to speciously assert moral equivalence

between killing an animal that can feel pain and fear and a plant that can't!

FUNNY, and not predictable or illogical!


:dunce:

[slackmaster]

133. Yes, I remember

[ileus]

79. Plants are people too.

[MADem]

17. I'll admit, I frequently stalk and slaughter the baby lettuces....

and I don't think twice about annihilating whole families, joined together, of tomatoes.

And here's the worst of it...I ENJOY it!! I'm the Ted Bundy of the salad set!

[cosmik debris]

19. Your Karma must really suffer.

You could at least show some remorse!

[MADem]

20. I've tried--but I realize I just don't feel the remorse.

In fact, if I don't slaughter those greens on a regular basis, I find my bowels in an uproar!!

It's me, or them!!

Grrrrrrr!!!!

:hi:

[cosmik debris]

26. Well, at least make it a clean kill.

Nobody wants to eat a cabbage that has been "gut shot". And there is no point in prolonging their suffering.

[MADem]

27. Heh heh!!! nt

[XemaSab]

36. Time for some TOOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcUxHOF6D8g&feature=related

[cosmik debris]

43. I'm a little more "old school"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZvFoSI5VN8

Cheesy, cheesy!

(This is a song about vegetables . . . they keep you regular; they're real good for ya.)

Call any vegetable
(Call any vegetable)
Call it by name
(Call any vegetable)
Call one today
(Call any vegetable)
When you get off the train
(Call any vegetable)
Call any vegetable
And the chances are good
Ooooh! The vegetable
Will respond to you

(Some people don't go for prunes . . . I dunno . . . I've always found that if they . . . )

Call any vegetable
(Call any vegetable)
Pick up your phone
(Call any vegetable)
Think of a vegetable
(Call any vegetable)
Lonely at home
(Call any vegetable)
Call any vegetable
And the chances are good
That a vegetable will respond to you-hoooo

RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA
RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA
RUTA-BAYYYYY . . .

(A prune isn't really a vegetable. Cabbage is a vegetable.)

No one will know
If you don't want to let 'em know
No one will know
'Less it's you that might tell 'em so
Call and they'll come to you
Covered with dew
Vegetables dream
Of responding to you
Standing there
Shiny & proud by your side
Holding your hand
While the neighbors decide
Why is a vegetable
Something to hide?
YAR-R-R-R-R-G-H!

[TorchTheWitch]

71. DON'T SLAY THAT POTATO!!! hee hee!

by Tom Paxton

DON'T SLAY THAT POTATO

How can you do it? It's heartless, it's cruel.
It's murder, cold-blooded, it's gross.
To slay a poor vegetable just for your stew
Or to serve with some cheese sauce on toast.
Have you no decency? Have you no shame?
Have you no conscience, you cad,
To rip that poor vegetable out of the earth
Away from its poor mom and dad?

CHORUS:
Oh, no, don't slay that potato!
Let us be merciful, please.
Don't boil it or fry it, don't even freeze-dry it.
Don't slice it or flake it.
For God's sake, don't bake it!
Don't shed the poor blood
Of this poor helpless spud.
That's the worst kind of thing you could do.
Oh, no, don't slay that potato
That never done nothing to you!
Why not try picking on something your size
Instead of some carrot or bean?
The peas are all trembling there in their pod
Just because you're so vicious and mean.
How would you like to be grabbed by your hair
And ruthlessly yanked from your bed
And have done to you
God knows what horrible things,
To be eaten with full-fiber bread?

(CHORUS)

You're basically stuck in the mud.
You don't get around much. You don't see the sights
When you're a carrot or celery or spud.
You're helpless when somebody's flea-bitten dog
Takes a notion to pause for relief.
Then somebody picks you and cleans you and eats you
And causes you nothing but grief.

(CHORUS)

There ought to be some way of saving our skins.
They ought to be passing a law.
Just show anybody a cute little lamb
And they'll all stand around and go "Aw!"
Well, potatoes are ugly. Potatoes are plain.
We're wrinkled and lumpy to boot.
But give me a break, kid. Do you mean to say
That you'll eat us because we're not cute?

(CHORUS)

[ChazII]

88. Still think this post earned

a DUzy.

[opiate69]

171. Let the rabbits wear glasses!!!!

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then.

And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

[Justyce]

9. There are a lot of really poor people in my family

and in this area who stock up on deer for a food source throughout the year -- a lot cheaper than beef from a grocery store -- so I don't have a problem with that.

[knitter4democracy]

53. That's why most hunters I know hunt.

It's to feed their families for cheaper than getting beef at the store.

[Critters2]

105. I don't know any hunters who hunt out of necessity.

I only know "sport hunters" ie men with identity issues.

[knitter4democracy]

116. Really? Here in Michigan, most hunt for food.

I know a couple who just have always hunted and love to sit out in their blinds all day, but my stepbrothers hunt to feed their families as their dad did before them.

[cgrindley]

126. I actually don't know any trophy hunters

but all my relatives hunt to stock up the freezer

[midlife_mo_Jo]

150. My brother does not hunt of out necessity

nor does he have identity issues.

He does, however, love to hunt and he loves to eat venison even more. And, sure, the money he saves on purchasing meat at the grocery store is useful spent elsewhere. He's not rich.

A good venison roast stuffed with lots of garlic... :) Yummmm

[flashl]

11. White tails are already dying ...

Hunters looking out for dead deer

The deer hunting season is just around the corner and area hunters are carefully listening as the state Game Commission continues to track deer deaths associated with Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD)-- Blue Tongue--.

...

Once bitten by an infected midge, Trusso said it takes five to 10 days to see the signs of the illness in the deer. Trusso said the deer will start appearing lethargic, disoriented, lame or unresponsive to humans and other stimulus. Trusso said there have been incidents when people had to physically push an infected deer off a roadway because it would not respond to passing vehicles or honking horns.

As the disease progresses, the deer may drool, have bloody discharge from the nose, sores on the mouth and swollen, blue tongues; they could also become thin from not eating and normally die near sources of water because they seek the water when their fever rises. Once at the water source, they're too disoriented to drink.

Trusso said between five and seven days after the disease is incubated, the deer could die. Some deer can survive.

...

While humans cannot be infected with the disease, secondary infections makes the meat unfit for human consumption, so the Game Commission recommends that hunters avoid shooting or consuming deer that appear ill.

[LWolf]

12. A deer died here this week.

It wasn't hunted, and cannot legally be used for food. It jumped out in the dark in the path of a car going 45 mph. The driver has a $1000 deductible to come up with to get repairs done on the car. The driver is a family member.

We enjoy having the deer around. I don't enjoy hunting season, which happens in October here. The last month of reasonably decent weather, and I don't hike or ride on the public land next door, because the bullets are flying.

I do tire of preparing work for students to take with them while they miss a week of school, because most request it, then don't do it.

I'm not a hunter myself, but I know that local hunters DO help keep the deer population in check; a valuable service. Better meat for the table than the long death of starvation, or road kill. Wild meat is certainly preferable to feedlot-raised livestock. :shrug:

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. Exactly my feelings. n/t

[Book Lover]

50. Why can't it be used for food? Because it was killed by a car?

I suppose if a vehicle-used liquid got sprayed on the carcass, that would render that part of the body inedible, but the whole deer? Or am I missing something? Thanks, and sorry to hear your relative's bad news.

[kurth]

14. It's nature's food bank for the rural poor

[malaise]

24. Yes indeed

If people are hunting deer for meat, good for them. I don't eat red meat but I eat seafood and poultry that others kill. I detest the Cheney type of hunting.

[knitter4democracy]

54. Darn right. Hunting and fishing keep many going.

I respect them for it.

[Beausoir]

91. Mmmm-hmmm. You got any links to back that up?

I live in rural Minnesota. It gets COLD up here.

Nobody is supplementing their mac and cheese with venison.

ANother silly myth put forward by brave white hunters.


Hunters here eat what they kill, sometimes, and give nothing to anyone else.

They also trespass on my land, fire guns within close proximity to my kids and drag their bloody carcass/trophy/penis extenders all up and down our road.


Fuck people who kill animals for fun. I have NO time for you.

[MonkeyFunk]

114. Here are some links

Stoughton, Wisconsin, last year had 2,250 deer donated to their food bank program:

http://www.cityofstoughton.com/index.asp?Type=B_PR&SEC=%7B1772B819-2816-4D33-B57D-889D56CF4C1E%7D&DE=%7B85FF1B3A-8521-483A-BC5D-6E0D4BA6102F%7D

One group (of many) in Georgia last year donated 5,000 lbs of meat:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1683688,00.html

One group in Virginia has donated 2.3 million pounds of venison to the hungry since 1991:

http://www.h4hungry.org/facts4u.htm


For the record, I don't hunt and never have, but even *I* knew that a lot of meat is donated to the hungry by hunters. Your claim that they never give away anything is just blatantly wrong.

[gollygee]

191. I know people who hunt because they need the meat

Hunting isn't my thing, and I'm glad my husband isn't into that (he can't even kill a spider if he sees one). But I live in Michigan, where deer hunting is a big deal, and I know some people who simply like to hunt, and I also know people who truly need the meat.

[madokie]

15. only been deer hunting one time

and it was only days after I returned from 'Nam, my brother in law had me a place all searched out and assured me I would get a chance at a big ole buck and sure 'nuf along comes the buck and I just set there and watch him until he got about 10 feet or so from me and he stopped, I could have had him cold no problem but I just raised the ole slug loaded shotgun and fired it up in the air. I'll never forget the look in the deers eyes when he realized he could have been dead meat, I swear he kind of smiled and turned and waved his tail at me thanking me for not taking his life. I used to see him from time to time for several years afterwards when I would go strolling in the woods looking for mushrooms. To this day I still believe the deer knew what had happened that day and never forgot it. thanksgiving morning 1970

[tuckessee]

62. That just proves that...

...you have a heart & soul.

[MADem]

16. I know lotsa folks who will EAT this winter thanks to deer hunting season.

And who would go hungry, without adequate protein, otherwise.

[KittyWampus]

23. Thank Providence. Wish East Hampton Town would get it together and get a cull going.

We are looking into getting a cross-bow hunter with a Nuisance Permit to come here and harvest some on our property.

[BronxBoy]

25. No problem

with hunters who harvest game in a fair manner.

I have a bunch down in the back outside my gardens. But I don't hunt them as I figure they are under such pressure from development right now that they could use a small sanctuary.

Counted 5 dead ones on the road yesterday and their meat helped no one.

Now RABBITS are what I'm looking for. There were tons of them this spring and the pretty much wiped out all of the beans and peas. Slaughtered a bunch of my salad greens too. Hunting season rolls around and they are gone.

Hmmm.....I wonder if the have taken refuge at MaDem's house. They seem to have a predilection for killing greens.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!!!

[madhoosier]

31. Fences

It's easy to fence out dear, rabbits can get through a hole no bigger than a half dollar.

[Didereaux]

32. uh WRONG! Deer are one of the HARDEST to fence out!

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. When I was a kid, I worked for a local rancher.

In his back field, near the house was a fenced off area made of three vertically-joined sections of 4' wide fencing.

When I asked him what the hell he was trying to cage that he needed a 12' high fence, he replied that he wasn't trying to keep anything in, it was a failed attempt to keep deer out.

[slackmaster]

30. Excellent

As long as hunting is properly managed and done responsibly, it's a good thing in many ways.

[sandnsea]

33. I'll buy some jerky

Our coastal deer are so small my husband quit hunting them. We do miss venison jerky though. Anybody???

[Akoto]

35. My aunt lives on deer hunting in the winter.

She's always respectful, uses every part of the deer she can, never takes more than she needs to eat. She'd probably be really tight for food if she didn't, but that's how she's always lived.

As a side note, her ability to still go out and do that amazes me. Deer hunting in her eighties!

[XemaSab]

37. Deer....

:9

[tuckessee]

41. F*ck deer hunters.

Ignorant, blood thirsty, violent thrill killers getting their jollies offing beautiful, majestic creatures.

I live on 200 acres in deer country and have to deal with hunters every year.

I can always count on seeing horrifically wounded deer. Last year it was a sweet doe dragging her paralyzed hind quarters as her terrified fawn looked on. The year before it was a glorious mega-buck with his right front leg dangling by a thread of muscle or tendon.

Hunters blantantly ignore no tresspassing signs & discharge their firearms w/o regard for where the bullet travels.

So far this year, I've found three dead deer (gunshot wounds) on my land. I usually drag them over to the offenders property and hoist them up into their deer stands.

What do deer hunters do with the guts & remains of their victims? Why, they just dump them on someone elses property or the side of the road.

I've known a lot of deer and a lot of hunters in my day & I prefer unglates 10 to 1 over the latter. They smarter, cleaner, more respectful and just all around better souls.

The above shows my bud Mooch the Deer & his pal Kimbo the Stray Kitten.

Mooch was a wonderful, shy (with the lady deer) and smart boy who learned many word & hand commands and loved nothing more than to play with his cat pals or groom with his mother before some SOB shot him, sawed off his antlers & left his carcass to rot in the field.

(Sorry the pic is so big - I don't know how to resize my images)

[Squatch]

46. I killed two this year

...which is quite amazing, considering that I have barely any free time, with work and all. But, my freezer is full of great meats and sausages, and we augmented our turkey-day dinner with a couple of nicely braised venison backstraps and cranberries.

I think I'm headed out tomorrow to try to bring down a few Canada or snow geese. The skies have been full of them, as well as ducks, for the longest time, so I believe it's time to stock up for Christmas.

Yesterday, tried my hand at fishing, though all I managed to bring in was a good sized skate, which I promptly returned to the bay.

Damn, I love this time of year.

[The Stranger]

63. Did you post in the wrong place?

If not, I can only offer you my pity.

[superduperfarleft]

65. You're such a big man.

I'm in awe of your gigantic testicles.

[Beausoir]

68. Squatch is kidding. I hope.

Recreational killing is not Squatch's cup of tea.


I hope.

[Squatch]

73. I believe the operative term is "hunting", and I enjoy it every year

This year, I happened to actually make up for the past couple of years when I didn't have the opportunity to fill my tags. I've been hunting for decades and I find nothing despicable with the activity.

[Beausoir]

90. Wow. That surprises me. It really does. You kill animals for fun. As in...a good time?

You see an animal and you can't wait to kill it?

I thought you were different than that.

[Squatch]

111. Hunting is absolutely fun.

Killing animals is not.

I've said as much in a plethora of DU threads on this subject.

[tuckessee]

93. I expected as much from you.

I remember you from a thread a month or so ago where you were quickly squelched by DU'ers for saying it was perfectly acceptable for US troops to mow down any Iraqis near the scene of any sniper attack.

It doesn't surprise me one iota that you would get your jollies while stateside slaughtering animals.

[knitter4democracy]

144. Cheapest way to fill a freezer.

My thing is that people need to use all of the animal and honor its sacrifice. Most hunters I know do.

We don't have a Canadian geese season here that I know of. It sure would help with population control--they're everywhere and not even migrating south anymore.

[JVS]

182. Squatch, how does deerhunting work? How long is the season, how many can you kill,

how much is a license, etc.

People say it's a way to get cheap meat, but it sounds like there might be a lot of expenses to get that cheap meat. I'm curious, so I thought maybe you as an experienced hunter could tell me.

[Squatch]

193. Sure thing

Here in Virginia:

A license (in-state) costs $18.00

That $18.00 buys you:
- One bear tag
- 6 deer tags (no more than three can be antlered)
- 3 turkey tags

Additionally, you can buy bonus tags for antlerless deer.

I butcher my own deer, so that saves me $80 per deer right there.

My rifle is a hand-me-down from my dad. It's a 30-06, so ammunition can be dirt cheap. I use premium ammunition at about $1 per round.

My bow is 5 years old and cost me $400 back then.

I filled two of my tags for deer this year with my bow, which put about 100 pounds of meat in my freezer. All-in-all, pretty damned cheap meat (and much better tasting, to boot).

[yardwork]

197. You know, this kind of dismissive response does nothing to endear you to others.

Seriously. I've been defending deer hunters on this and other threads, but I'm disappointed that you don't even acknowledge the fact that some hunters truly are assholes. You know it. I know it. Lots of folks know it.

[INDIA]

49. The injuries you describe on those "horrifically " wounded deer you describe...

were far more likely to come from being hit by car. I live on a nature preserve where hunting is prohibited and I see injuries like that (caused by automobiles) all the time. Wild animals + vehicular traffic = accidents, unfortunately. Probably wasn't hunters...just sayin.

[Hoof Hearted]

57. I'm with you Tuckessee. R.I.P. Mooch. I can't stand 95% of the hunters I've known. n/t

[superduperfarleft]

64. I agree.

The only problem I have with hunting season is that the hunter fuckwads that used to have target practice outside my house wouldn't shoot more of each other as opposed to the innocent people and animals they'd terrorize on a yearly basis.

How typical of DU that there would be a thread gloating over this kind of thing.

[Odin2005]

92. Sterotype much? Most of us hunters are NOT assholes.

But what do I know? I'm just a "Ignorant, blood thirsty, violent thrill killer"... :eyes:

[tuckessee]

96. Maybe your area is different.

Maybe you're a "good" hunter.

But where I live (and have lived forever) the vast majority of hunters are at best assholes.

Sick, cold-blooded, vicious, pathetic examples of humanity. Sad, little people.

There are very few things I'm sure of in life but my opinion about hunters is one of them.

[Critters2]

99. My experience, too. nt

[knitter4democracy]

145. Really? Most of the hunters I know are respectful of those they hunt.

We have a few in our church who hunt, and they do it to feed their families. They try to get two deer, one to give away to our priest and his family (our church pays very little, so many of us supplement his pay with food). If the priest thinks he has enough, he gives the rest to the Food Bank, which is always very appreciative of the venison (they even do articles on it in our paper).

My stepbrothers hunt every year, and they do it to feed their families. They aren't those kind that poach or trespass or get drunk in the blind and shoot at whatever moves. They are very respectful, make sure to look several times before taking aim, and deliberately don't go after the best of the herd, instead going for the stragglers. I've been hunting with them and seen them in action.

I don't hunt myself, but I respect those who do it right--and those hunters do exist.

[tuckessee]

166. I know plenty of guys (and a few gals) like you describe.

I don't go to church with them but I have lived and moved among their world my entire life. I look like a good ol' boy hunter myself & hang out with country folk so they talk to me in a way they don't with their religious brethren or their average co-workers or even their family.

I have never - I repeat never - talked to a hunter who, when describing their latest or greatest hunt, would start off by or even care about telling others how much food they "harvested" from the critters they killed.

Instead, they always start and focus on some gory or sick detail(s), like humorously mimicking the look on buck's face when a bullet rips through him, laughing about how far in the air a doe jumped when the arrow hit home, demonstrating how many times the ol' turkey tom rolled over when leveled with a shotgun, giggling about how an acorn got jammed up into a squirrel's brain when he was hit straight on in the mouth with a .22, how cool the blood splatter looked on a tree trunk, etc.

When I was younger I used to think like you. I thought most hunters were good, that there were only a few bad apples, that hunting was for good purposes, etc but after so many years of being exposed to the true face this "sport" I am filled with nothing but disgust.

[knitter4democracy]

172. Huh. I've never heard those stories.

My stepbrother tells of the time he fell asleep at the foot of the old oak tree only to wake up to a doe licking his face. He didn't have a doe license that year and watched a herd of twenty does or so just eat calmly and meander around him.

He hated not making a clean kill and having to track the deer through the woods and didn't talk about that part. His brother was the same way, looking at it like it was for the betterment of the woods (so we wouldn't lose the fruit trees in the winter, too) and to feed their families. They'd talk about the sausage and such around the rest of us, never what they had to do to get it.

[Algorem]

44. why U.S. got so many fab hunters but no dead Osama Bin Laden?

[Critters2]

164. It's easier to shoot things that won't shoot back.

And call it a "sport" :eyes:

[CRF450]

168. Just as man threw speres and shot arrows to hunt thousands of years ago for survival

Its no different today, gun or arrow. Most who hunt do it to provide for themselfs.

I'm amazed how bigoted people here are over hunting, now I see why dems lose potential voters.

[LanternWaste]

174. I think in the example you mentioned, the hunting was down out of neccesity.

I think in the example you mentioned, the hunting was down out of neccesity. I don't think anyone would go hungry due to lack of hunters anymore as we've learned to domesticate animals since then...

We've become much more sterile, leading to increased toleration in our slaughter of the last among us.

[Feron]

187. Today I watched a hawk carry off one of my squirrels..

The talons on a bird aren't fair to the squirrel to say the least. And from the looks of it the squirrel didn't even see it coming. That's nature.

All predators use tools in order to capture and kill their prey. Just because man can fashion tools does not mean that the fight is necessarily unfair. Prey animals have evolved throughout the years to be survivors.

Now the trophy hunters and canned hunters can all go to hell. People who shoot solely for amusement are sick ,but not the people who hunt with the intention to use/consume the animal.

[iamthebandfanman]

45. unless u eat whatcha kill or make use of it

its barbaric and is a sign of lower intelligence.

anybody who kills anything for the rush of killing something is messed up.

no offense to those who like killing defenseless things, of course.






besides , they have it coming right? getting on our roads WE put there, eating the plants WE put there, tearing up that garden WE put there.

yeah, those bastards deserve to die. :sarcasm:

[cgrindley]

47. Awesome. Good luck and safe hunting everyone (nt)

[lynne]

48. Benefiting both man and deer -

- the venison will feed the hungry and the thinning of the overgrown deer population will help insure the health and well-being of the rest of the herd.

[mitchtv]

56. How many Horses and cattle die?

or is that just NY state?

[JCMach1]

58. The deer must die, there are no other predators to stop overpopulation

If you don't think there are too many, find yourself and your car hitting one twice in the past 15yrs.

Not to mention what they do to crops.

[The Stranger]

59. Anyone who hunts in this day and age has something tragically missing from them.

The way is to live in harmony with nature -- not to shoot her wildlife.

[slackmaster]

83. I feel I have missed out on something by never having hunted

Harmony with nature includes omnivores killing and eating herbivores.

[Critters2]

100. How small is that thing?! nt

[MonkeyFunk]

117. They teach you

to debate like that in Divinity School?

[Squatch]

118. You call that "debate"?

:rofl:

[slackmaster]

131. This doesn't seem in any way responsive to what I wrote

Was this reply misplaced, or is it just stupid?

[EstimatedProphet]

153. That is a truly asinine statement, and comes from someone who has no experience with the subject

Nature is not some feel-good painting of animals with big eyes that all lay down with each other. The true way to live in complete harmony with nature is to live as part of it. That includes living off of it.

[The Stranger]

155. And what makes you, little one, believe that I have "no experience with the subject"?

Pray tell me.

[joshcryer]

156. Out of touch statements not reflective of reality?

Go live in the bush for a month. See how long you fare without eating an animal.

[The Stranger]

180. The statements are based on experience.

Go live a real, connected life for a month. See how much better it is when you live in harmony with nature instead of trying to destroy it.

[CRF450]

181. Well, I'd start hunting for rabbits and other little fuzzy critters right away.

Just our ancestors did thousands of years ago.

Cant survive off of just leaves and other plants.

[The Stranger]

192. So you are emulating the existence of a sub-species thousands of years ago.

Now I am beginning to understand better.

[tuckessee]

184. Do you live in the "bush"?

Haven't you folks ever heard of livestock & farming?

How do you get an internet connection living as a feral human in the bsuh?

[donheld]

60. Many a Turkey died yesterday

what's your point?

[Basileus Basileon]

61. Okay. Good luck and safe hunting to the people,

and good luck and safe avoiding to the deer.

[superduperfarleft]

66. Hopefully I'll get to read about some hunting accidents tomorrow.

It always makes my taint tingle to hear about evolution in action.

[CRF450]

67. What a fucked up attitude.

Most hunters are really decent people, and your gonna wish they'd shoot eachother so they cant provide for themselfs as an alternative to going in a store? How pathetic!:eyes:

[Big Blue Marble]

70. Not the hunters I know,

And I have had occasion to know quite a few. They are not people you would
want to know. They enjoy killing. Yes they enjoy the free meat, but they
also enjoy shooting living animals. They ignore private property even if it
is posted. And think nothing of trashing your land with beer cans and other
trash. I would not say that most of them are decent people, not at all.

[Beausoir]

95. Uhhh...most hunters are NOT decent people. And they do NOT hunt to stock the freezer.

If, when you see an animal, your first instinct is to kill it for fun?

You are not a decent person.

Recreational killers are not decent people.

I always get a kick out the Deer-Divers around here this time of year. Drunken slobs falling out of tree stands and breaking something. Usually their ankles. Sometimes their necks.

I remember one memorable one....guy killed a deer and brought out his brave hunter knife to disembowel the animal. Ended up slicing his artery in his groin. Bleed out in the forest....just like the deer.

[Mojorabbit]

179. I have never been around any hunters

like you describe. In my family you are only allowed to hunt what you will eat. No trophy hunting.
My husband is a bow hunter and we fill our freezer with wild pork and with venison. There is a family ritual giving thanks to the animal. And most of all, no one drinks while hunting.

[Beausoir]

185. "Giving thanks to the animal" by killing it? Puh-leeze.

Killing an animal for your own amusement does not qualify as "giving thanks" to the animal.

Recreational killing of animals is wrong.

[Mojorabbit]

188. It is not for amusement

It is for eating. I am not a hypocrite. I go to the store and buy beef, chicken, and fish. There I don't see the anything but sterile styrofoam plastic wrapped prebutchered animals. I am not a vegetarian and don't plan to be. And yes I give thanks for all my food.

[LeftyMom]

69. Oh, they'll pile on up here.

(For anything, 'cause it's fucking GD, but they get ten times as stupid when you get between them and their meat.) That's why we got the clubhouse with the no omnis allowed sign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=231 :D

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[piedmont]

82. What a perfectly shit-head thing to say. nt

[slackmaster]

84. Sad to see you don't care about your fellow human beings

:argh:

[JVS]

87. Please refrain from talking about your taint on DU!

:puke:

[MonkeyFunk]

120. As much as I love animals

I will never support any of the major "animal rights" organizations because of the sick attitude so many of you have regarding human beings.

You like to think of yourself as morally superior and more compassionate, but punk-ass lines that show you're just misanthropes.

[superduperfarleft]

135. Yeah right.

I'm sure you had your checkbook out and everything until you saw my post. /sarcasm

Firstly, I don't support most "animal rights" organizations, because most of the large ones have so watered down the idea of what animal rights actually means that people like you can throw that phrase around without knowing the first fucking thing about the theory behind it.

Secondly, I never said I hate all people, just hunters. That tends to happen when you watch them flout the law and the safety of the people around them year after year, and when the game warden doesn't do shit about them or the emaciated dogs that show up on my porch, with numbers painted on the side (literally painted) and half-starved because it makes them better trackers. I'm sure my carnivorous, farmer neighbor who is anything but an urban, elitist vegan would agree with me, seeing the number of bullets her kitchen window has taken.

I'm sure you'll say that there's "good" hunters, just like there's good cops. Unfortunately, most of them are redneck shitheads who think nothing of turning the woods into a free-fire zone. And since quite a few of hunting accidents involve those who weren't participating in the bloodsport to begin with, my original flippancy aside, it seems to me that if they have to shoot something, I'd rather just they just blast themselves out of the gene pool as opposed to anyone else (human or non-human).

[MonkeyFunk]

136. Don't flatter yourself

my position was not arrived at this morning.

I'm just using you an example of the misanthropic hatred many so-called animal-rights people display with alarming regularity, and why I would never align myself with such people.

[superduperfarleft]

138. I would never flatter myself

by thinking that my post alone changed your mind, because that would require that you had read my post and chose to respond to something other than only one sentence, when it's clear that you did not.

[MonkeyFunk]

140. Of course I read it

but it was just a hate-filled rant. Not unexpected, but not worthy of a long response.

I've said where I stand, you've said where you stand. Not much more to discuss.

[Critters2]

163. Well said. Thank you. nt

[Ravy]

74. Deer are the deadliest animals in the United States.

Just learned that on a TV show last night.

[Stuckinthebush]

75. Not a hunter, and a vegetarian to boot but....

I know that the deer population is massive and I understand that some people like venison. At some level, I appreciate that hunters go the whole 9 yards in getting the food they eat. They don't rely on a slaughter house to do the dirty work for them.

What I find interesting is the reverence they have for the deer. You see the beautiful pictures of bucks on the back of pick up truck windows, etc. How can you love to see such a beautiful animal like that in the woods and then blow it away? That'd be tough for me. But then again, I think of the native American's reverence for the bison and can understand that you can love an animal for the sustenance it gives your family. I can get that. Maybe that's what is going on with hunters.

But, I don't begrudge them the hunt.

Now, big game sport hunters. Fuck them.

[Critters2]

97. Let me tell you about the "reverent" deer hunters I used to have to deal with

I lived next to a cemetery in the country, in deer hunting country. The cemetery belonged to the church I served, and was posted!! Did that keep the deer hunters out? Of course not! Invariably, I had to go explain to some of these courageous pictures of American manhood that they were NOT allowed to hide behind headstones waiting to kill animals in the church cemetery. EVERY SINGLE TIME I talked to them they were COMPLETELY sloshed!! I'd explain that people liked to come and pay respects to their dead, and politely ask them to hunt somewhere else. And then the cussing would begin. Twice, I was threatened with guns...but they were so drunk they would never have hit me.

Reverence for the animal, my ass. These were just assholes with guns. Drunk assholes with guns.

[MonkeyFunk]

119. There are drunk assholes everywhere

Some carry guns, some carry Bibles.

Ya gotta be careful out there.

[EstimatedProphet]

152. Really? I used to deer hunt.

I never drank. I never went hunting with anyone who drank while they were in the woods. Sorry you met the only drunk hunters who ever existed.

[Marrah_G]

76. I have no issues with hunting as long as:

What is killed is eaten and that was is killed is legal and not endangered.

[sarcasmo]

77. Deer jerkey is tasty.

[ileus]

78. I'd rather run over them than see hunting season also...I'm with you on this one.

[piedmont]

81. Deer-car collisiona KILL people. nt

[iamthebandfanman]

196. well damn that dear!

for putting a road where it lived!
haha

[slackmaster]

85. Please send me an IM and let me know what car insurance company you use

So I can make sure to choose a different one.

[saigon68]

109. I feel the love in this thread

We got 2 bucks yesterday. My 2 sons and a friend and I. I can't believe how warm its been this fall. There are a lot of deer out there in WI this year

[CRF450]

110. I'm thinking of getting a hunting license

Love deer meat! Hoping to get a nice buck.

[Squatch]

112. Both of mine this year were does.

Since it has been so damned warm, I didn't start hunting this season until late October. Even then, I was worried about spoilage, since the mid-morning temps routinely climbed into the upper 80's.

Anyways, congratulations on your deer, you bloodthirsty slaughterer of cute fuzzy animals, you!

[blindpig]

80. On the other hand...

the mast crop here has failed spectacularly. Our dominant hardwood, Southern Red Oak, lost all foliage in the Easter freeze and did not fruit this year. We're loaded with deer, tough times for Bambi and Thumper ahead. Moronic game decks have replaced hunting for the young, fewer hunters.

We've already written off the shrubbery.

[undeterred]

86. Same in Wisconsin

We have a highly regulated gun deer season. I was kind of freaked out by it when I moved up here from Chicago 7 years ago. In Chicago guns are used for killing people or for defending yourself. I've never touched a gun in my life and it makes me unconfortable to be around one.

Moving to Wisconsin, almost every man (and some women) I know grew up learning how to use a gun and being exposed to hunting. Many of them choose not to do it as adults, but others choose to do it- and they do it because the Department of Natural Resources wants them to. People consume the meat or donate it to someone who needs it for food. There's definitely a deer population problem from the human perspective and this is one way of dealing with it.

It's a different culture than I grew up in, but I can't pass judgment on it. I really haven't met any bloodthirsty hunters. And when I hear about the number of car-deer collisions and see 10-12 deer splattered on the side of the highway during a 50 mile drive I know they've got to do something about it.

[AngryOldDem]

89. Sad fact of life

Thanks to society's increasing encroachment on their habitat, deer are becoming a problem. I have seen more deer in relatively urban areas this year alone than I have in my lifetime. While statistically the number of deer may not be any higher (don't know about that for sure), the fact is they are becoming hazards and herds must be culled and managed accordingly. That may seem to be a cruel answer to some, but if hunters don't get them, disease, other animals, and machinery most certainly will.

I am all for **responsible** hunting with **responsible** use of the harvest. Treat deer humanely in both life and death.

[Odin2005]

94. The vicious hate of us hunters in this thread is bigoted and disturbing. n/t.

[Critters2]

98. What's disturbing is people who enjoy killing. nt

[Odin2005]

102. Humans evolved hunting animals, of course people are going to enjoy it.

:eyes:

[Critters2]

103. Emotionally healthy people don't enjoy killing.

Serial killers, yes. Emotionally healthy, mature people, no.

[cgrindley]

121. That's so stupid it just made me sneeze

hunting and fishing = what we're supposed to do

we're animals

like

any

other

or are you calling lions serial killers?

[MonkeyFunk]

124. Jesus wept

then he fished.

[slackmaster]

141. If we could purge our party of attitudes like this, we'd win a lot more elections

:argh:

We are supposed to be the party of tolerance, not like Brand X party.

[Odin2005]

147. My stone age ancestors were serial killers?

:eyes:

[Seabiscuit]

101. WTF kind of "pride" is there in killing animals???

Fuck all of you so-called "hunters". You're a bunch of retarded yahoos with rifles you don't deserve to own.

Make yourselves useful for a change and hunt down a neocon, fercrissakes.

[Critters2]

106. Indeed. Thank you. nt

[lonestarnot]

115. Degenerates find pride in exercising dominion, especially killing.

[cgrindley]

122. why so full of hate?

you should get help for that

[lonestarnot]

123. Because I hate killers? LOL

:rofl:

[cgrindley]

125. are you in some sort of bio-denial?

we are supposed to kill and eat deer.

[lonestarnot]

128. I'd rather eat cabbage than venison

[B Calm]

134. Nothing wrong with eating vension. It tastes damn good if you

know how to cook! Maybe it's just the ones here in the midwest, they are corn fed..

[slackmaster]

139. My cousin from Texas brought fresh venison to a family party this summer

It was wonderful.

[lonestarnot]

142. No, nothing wrong with it if you like to eat it and it doesn't have lyme disease.

[B Calm]

143. Haven't ate one yet with Lyme disease. ROTFLOL

[NoFederales]

154. I use a bow, like my ancestors--we have been successful retarded

tribal yahoos, Cripendoor Yahoos, not to be at all confused with the demented Ypsilante Googles or Veisenhooke Wikis. I oould go on, but I've a retarded twitch to go out hunting...........

NoFederales

On Edit: Have you tried "neocon"--it don't taste like chicken..........how do you prepare it?

[joshcryer]

157. Bows are awesome. Fasioning your own bow from scratch, even moreso.

Hunting as we evolved to, and have done for eons, that's the ticket.

[Norwood]

183. Food chain

Ever watch a discovery channel special on lions, tigers, birds of prey, etc. If a hunter shoots something they plan on eating its the same damn thing.

Hunting neocons would be murder and jail doesn't sound all that appealing to me.

[greyl]

107. ...and many humans will die on their way to a job they hate driving

vehicles which depend on fossil fuels that thousands of other humans have died fighting for.
A few hundred others will die because of complications from cosmetic surgery.

I'm making no attempt to sway your opinion about anything at all. ;)

[mainer]

113. I'm a gardener. Kill them all.

Only half-joking. When you wake up one morning and find ALL your newly ripe pears eaten from your trees in one night by those pests, it gives you murderous thoughts. Not to mention the destroyed hostas, the decimated lillies, the chewed-up yews, the ravaged grapevines -- well, I'm ready to hire hunters to come in and start shooting.

[B Calm]

129. I have over 100 different types of hostas planted. I had a big problem

this summer with raccoons digging them up. The only way I could stop their destruction was to buy two live traps and trap them. After 18 successful traps of raccoons the destruction of my hostas stopped.

[B Calm]

132. Dogwood Hosta Farm in Brazil, Indiana uses chunks

of Irish Spring Soap to keep the deers away. http://www.hostagarden.com/

[ileus]

130. Deer destroy forest, not just your shurbs, deer need hunters.

Tree seedlings (the future of forest) are destroyed by the whitetail overpopulation. The whitetails #1 predator for a hundred years or more has been man. With the decrease in hunters the overpopulation of the Whitetail has spiraled out of control. No longer can you have a rose bush next to your house, much less out in the yard. They destroy any new growth from about 6ft down to the forest floor. Lack of hunters means many more deer are going to be hit by cars, I've been in 3 collisions in my lifetime. I spent the past few months dodging deer on a daily basis, until bow and muzzle loader seasons opened. Hunting pressure and rain have moved the deer back into their natural habitat. I'm all for managing the deer heard with hunting. It's much better than the DNR just shooting them as a form of population control. And now we have CWD to worry about. If CWD is found in an area, all deer must be killed in a huge radius of where the infected animal(s) are found. If CWD was found in my county the DNR (local game warden is one of my friends)would have to wipe out the entire population of whitetails. It could be considered the environmentalist duty to the forest and the deer themselves to buy a license and participate in what used to be a great heritage enjoyed by millions.
It's been since my kids were born that I did any serious hunting and the past two years I haven't hunted any. Sometimes I miss the quite time I enjoyed in the field. One of these days I'll continue my families tradition, until then I'll continue to clean the firearms I have and keep them as the collector items they are.
I enjoyed hunting, millions still enjoy hunting and we should all thank those that spend so much time in the field every year helping control populations of several game animals, not just the whitetail. Reasonable harvest will assure that our children will be able to enjoy the great outdoors for years to come.

[Prefer]

146. I am not a hunter, but I have heard tell...

that wildlife control programs track the population numbers and regulate hunting to avoid overpopulation and mass starvation.

Can anyone more knowledgeable verify this?

well, I guess like an idiot, I didn't read the response ahead of mine

[EstimatedProphet]

161. I'm a biologist, and I can verify that

And I'll verify something else for you too - with the deer populations we have in the US right now, if we didn't have hunting, we'd have mass destruction of deer habitat BY deer. They aren't going to stand by and quit eating when they strip the plants and trees. They'll eat until there's no food left, just like any other animal would. That's not speculation, that's proven. The anti-hunting bigots on this thread as always simply ignore that there's a need for hunting, or for another solution to the overpopulation issue if hunting is abandoned, and always talk about how much more moral and superior they are to the hunters, who they try to make out to be mad psychopathic monsters. but if they had their way, they'd do far more damage to wildlife populations than hunters ever do.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

148. Not a hunter, BUT ...

I live in Pennsylvania and see multiple dead deer on the side of the road everyday. For every one of them, there's a damaged automobile and potential injuries.





http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/04/news/newsmakers/deer/index.htm?cnn=yes
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Pennsylvania ranks first among the top ten worst states for vehicle-deer collisions, according to an insurance survey published Thursday.

Citing claim statistics, auto insurer State Farm said that drivers in Pennsylvania experienced more deer collisions than any other state between July 1, 2004 and June 30, 2005.

State Farm estimates that 1.5 million vehicles collide with deer every year, resulting in 150 motorists deaths and $1.1 billion in vehicle damages.

With deer migrating and mating season occurring between October and December, the auto insurer says a higher number of deer are near roads this time of year.




FYI:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-01-03-deer-insure-usat_x.htm

Deer accidents are often not covered

Insurers in states with high rates of deer-vehicle crashes are trying to get the word out this winter: Check your auto policy.
Cold months are peak season for deer-vehicle crashes, especially given the soaring deer population. Thousands of the 1.5 million drivers who hit deer last year found out the hard way that their auto insurance did not cover damage to their vehicle. Only comprehensive insurance pays up in such crashes. "Many people are not aware that the collision coverage under an automobile insurance policy does not cover you if you hit a deer," says Wisconsin Commissioner of Insurance Jorge Gomez.

Nationally, 36 million auto owners don't have comprehensive insurance, says the National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC). Many drivers drop comprehensive coverage because they decide their vehicles are too old or worth too little to justify the cost.



Coming in second and third were Michigan and Illinois, followed by Ohio and Georgia. Minnesota and Virginia ranked sixth and seventh respectively, while Indiana, Texas and Wisconsin rounded out the list at eighth, ninth and tenth.

[Kajsa]

151. Hunting for " sport" is not a

sport until the animals are equally equipped with weapons
to defend themselves.

Absurd?

So is calling hunting for "sport" a sport.

[cynatnite]

158. Deer hunting helped us get through many a winter n/t

[codjh9]

159. Crazy drivers will kill untold numbers as well. I used to drive the 'back way' from

Ft. Worth to central TX, mostly on US 281, and I couldn't believe how many dead animals I saw one Thanksgiving. I realize I'm far in the minority, but I think 80-90% of people drive too fast, and/or don't give a crap what they hit.

[WildEyedLiberal]

160. What a stupid thread.

All the self-righteous yowlers are out in force, I see.

[NashVegas]

162. I'm Guessing You've Never Totalled a Car Courtesy of One of Those Overgrown Rodents

:sarcasm: aside, I'm lucky to be alive. I was coming down a mountain and one leaped out, caught a rear quarter panel. One tree saved my ass from hurtling down a 60-foot ravine.

I've no problem with *most* deer hunters.

[Joe Fields]

165. Many a deer has to fall...but it's all in the game.

[Skittles]

167. hunters sicken me

fucking cowards

[Bluebear]

170. Sometimes at this hour I see this show on TV....

on some "sportsman's" channel... They show them going out to shoot their deer then ooh and ah about how many points, shaking the dead animal's head from side to side to admire it, it just is grossest piece of "entertainment" I can imagine.

[BadgerLaw2010]

173. Not enough. Too many deer in this state.

[Critters2]

175. Maybe killing off their predators was a bad idea. nt

[Pavulon]

177. Some Ignorant posts here..

stereotypes that would get you banned if applied other groups.

Really simple. If you do not like hunting, dont hunt. Post your land. If people break the law call the police and game warden.

In NC violating game laws or trespass are very serious and will eventually lead to a revoked license or even jail.

I have hunted for years. I am educated, married an educated woman, live a comfortable life, and am pretty well adjusted.

Deer tastes good. I go hunting a few times a year and almost never shoot the deer I see. When I shoot them they drop dead. Properly dressing a deer is easy and yields a large amount of very good meat. If I give it away I pay to have a butcher prepare cuts.

The real threat to deer and most other animals is not hunters but development. People have to have a starbucks and shitty mall right next door.

Soon there will be no hunters because everyone paved over the woods.

Fix your priorities.

[tuckessee]

190. Why do you kill deer if not for the meat?

You admitted you sometimes give away the meat so obviously hunting is not a necessity for you.

Donating it to charity seems noble but killing a deer & paying to butcher it is no more cost effective than if you bought a shopping cart full of meat at the local Sav-A-Lot.

Do you enjoy the "thrill of the hunt"? Is it just a reason to get outdoors?

What motivates you to kill if not out of necessity?

[Dude_CalmDown]

178. I sure hope so. Maybe those hunters can make a stop up in Jersey for a bit.

Fuck deer. Most animals will try and get out of the way of a car. Deer sit and wait for the perfect opportunity to fuck up someone's day, month, year, life. Fuck deer. I can't stand when humans are stupid and I feel the same way for any animal that will work so hard at being so stupid. Use a bullet, an arrow, a spear, a sack of quarters - I really don't give a shit - as long as you're ending the life of one of those idiots I'm all for it.

[MrScorpio]

186. I once shot a deer in Reno

Just to watch him die

[yewberry]

189. FFS, people, can we please put this to bed?

Yes, yes, go ahead and dismiss me based on my username if you like. No need to read on if you don't want to.

This has gotten pretty old now, though.


Reality: some people hunt. I don't, but I live in a city and I'm vegan. So there is that.

I've known people who hunt. I've known people who hunt for food because winter is long and money is short. I've known people who hunt because they think it's fun. I've also lived in areas where people came from out of town to hunt, and I was shot at as a child because (we think) I was wearing white mittens in my yard. I've lived in places where deer populations grew too large.

I've known people who are against hunting. I've known people who own large-ish swaths of land and post "No Hunting" signs that are completely ignored by hunters. I've known people who believe that hunters are sadists and drunk weekenders. I've lived in places where deer populations were unsupportable because of rampant sprawl.


All of these things can be true at the same time.

DUers are not all the same, and we don't all share beliefs about this stuff. However, there is no reason to try to goad each other about it.


Accusing people of being imbalanced or cruel for hunting isn't useful. Claiming that some people don't get themselves through the winter on the meat they bring home might be offensive. You know that.

Calling those opposed to hunting 'bigots' or suggesting that they are some how somehow ignoring evolution isn't useful. Making jokes about plants feeing pain or posting venison jerky recipes in a thread like this might be offensive. You know that.


Clearly there are lots of viewpoints to handle here. Really, though, the goading should stop. It's dumb and divisive.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

194. will the deer be eaten?