Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What the heck is Sibel Edmonds' Case about? And why should I care?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:22 AM
Original message
What the heck is Sibel Edmonds' Case about? And why should I care?
In yesterday's post Dan Ellsberg: Sibel Edmonds case "Far More Explosive Than Pentagon Papers I briefly discussed the fact that the corporate media has so far refused to take up the offer from former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds to tell us everything that she knows about treason at the highest level of the US Govt.

The post was very popular but there was some dissatisfaction amongst some commentors - most of which centered around two general issues:
1. 'Why doesn't she just talk already?'
2. 'I don't know what the underlying issues are in this case.'
(and yes, there were other discussions about tactics etc)

The thing is, Sibel has been talking, and she has tried just about every avenue available to her, and we do have a pretty good idea what the underlying issues are in her case.

'Why doesn't she just talk already?'
Sibel has tried every available channel to pursue her claims legitimately - including internal FBI processes, Congress, the courts, the 911 Commission and the media. She went as high as FBI Director Robert Mueller in the FBI - and the internal FBI report said that she was 100% right." In Congress, Sibel went to Waxman, Leahy and Grassley - all of whom have been supporters. Sibel went to the courts and was gagged via the State Secrets Privilege from having the courts hear her case. And she has tried various avenues in the media to get her story out.

The MSM has generally been terrible in covering Sibel's story, but she has given a hundred interviews and published dozens of articles.

So to those of you who ask 'Why doesn't she speak already?' I can tell you that she already has. I have covered this story closely for years and I pick a number out of the air estimate that I already know, from the public record, 75% of what she has to say. Sibel's case involves illegal weapons sales, money laundering, drug trafficking, nuclear black market, terrorism and the corruption of the US Govt.

Sibel has already named names (though not all) - Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, William Cohen, Marc Grossman, Eric Edelman, Dennis Hastert, Bob Livingston and others - and she has also named the countries involved: Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, the other 'Stans - and of course the US.

The crimes in Sibel's story range from the micro level (espionage at the FBI translation unit) to the macro level (e.g. supplying Pakistan's nuclear program, blackmail/bribery of members of congress, covering up 9/11, and various other military-industrial-complex related corruption.)

We know all this despite the gag orders and the invocation of the State Secrets Privilege. So to those who ask 'Why doesn't she just speak out?' - well, she already has spoken out, deftly dancing around all those efforts to silence her. As Sibel repeatedly points out, no one in the MSM has even dared to ask why her case has been cloaked in the State Secrets Privilege (SSP). We know why the SSP was invoked in the NSA spying scandal, and we know why it was invoked in the El-Masri case, and we know why it was invoked in the Maher Arar case - but no-one in the MSM has really asked why it was invoked in Sibel's case. It was invoked to hide criminality at the highest levels of the US Govt. Sibel rightly calls it "Treason."

I (mostly) won't deal with the 'tactics' issue in this post. Many of you think that Sibel's offer (which was clumsily characterized as 'unedited' - but her actual offer is "I'll tell you the story so long as you don't leave the important pieces on the cutting room floor") to tell her story to a broadcast network is destined to fail. That might very well be true, but it certainly wasn't designed to fail, it is a legitimate attempt to get some accountability - as was/is her offer to appear, under oath, in Congress.

Importantly, Sibel would much prefer to appear in Congress than in the media. She'd prefer to be under oath, she'd like to be able to subpoena the documents that prove her case, and she'd like to be able to subpoena the other FBI agents who were working the cases that she was working on (all of whom would apparently be willing to testify.)

If you are interested in learning more about Sibel's case, I recommend that you start with Phil Giraldi's piece in American Conservative which Sibel says "sums up the case very well, considering the length... as far as published articles go, this one nails it 100%." Then there is the Vanity Fair article " An Inconvenient Patriot." I strongly recommend Sibel's Hijacking of a Nation – parts one and two> and Sibel's Open Letter to the 911 Commission.

Those of you who would prefer video versions, see particularly " Sibel Edmonds. Everybody Knows," and " Sibel Edmonds. Investigations Thwarted" and any of my other videos here
.
All of this has been a long introduction to a repost of my What the heck is Sibel Edmonds' Case about? And why should I care?
All " It isn't great, or complete, but here it is:

As part of our campaign this week to call for hearings into Sibel Edmonds case, below the fold is a short-as-possible piece which hopes to answer the burning question in Sibel's case: What the heck is her case about?

For a longer version, see my recent interview with Scott Horton

Please call the offices of Congressmen Waxman - (202) 225-3976 - and Conyers - (202) 225-5126 - demanding open hearings into Sibel Edmonds' case and the State Secrets Privilege.

-----------
Sibel Edmonds' case is about the intersection of illegal arms trafficking, heroin trafficking, money laundering, terrorist activities and the corruption of many " highly-recognizable, highly-known names" in and around the US government. Sibel says that the people involved will go straight to prison if we can get hearings into her case. Richard Perle, in prison. Douglas Feith, in prison. Dennis Hastert, in prison. Marc Grossman, in prison.

According to Sibel, the best place to begin trying to understand the case is a recent article by Phil Giraldi in the American Conservative. Sibel says“Giraldi has it 100% right; this I consider the most accurate summary of my case.”

Giraldi writes:

"Sibel Edmonds... could provide a major insight into how neoconservatives distort US foreign policy and enrich themselves at the same time. On one level, her story appears straightforward: several Turkish lobbying groups allegedly bribed congressmen to support policies favourable to Ankara. But beyond that, the Edmonds revelations become more serpentine and appear to involve AIPAC, Israel and a number of leading neoconservatives who have profited from the Turkish connection.
[]
Turkey benefits from the relationship by securing general benevolence and increased aid from the US Congress - as well as access to otherwise unattainable military technology. The Turkish General Staff has a particular interest because much of the military spending is channeled through companies in which the generals have a financial stake, making for a very cozy and comfortable business arrangement. The commercial interest has also fostered close political ties, with the American Turkish Council, American Turkish Cultural Alliance and the Assembly of Turkish American Associations all developing warm relationships with AIPAC and other Jewish and Israel advocacy groups throughout the US.

Someone has to be in the middle to keep the happy affair going, so enter the neocons, intent on securing Israel against all comers and also keen to turn a dollar."


Giraldi goes on to list some neocons who are "linked to Turkey" - Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Marc Grossman, Eric Edelman, and Stephen Solarz - and he suggests that they "enrich themselves" via drug trafficking and arms dealing.

The American Turkish Council (ATC)
The main Turkish lobbying group in the US is an organization called the American Turkish Council (ATC) - one of the most powerful lobby groups in the country. The ATC is heavily stacked with former government officials - statesmen, lobbyists and 'dime a dozen generals' - lobbyists and representatives of the military-industrial-complex (MIC). Brent Scowcroft is the chairman, and heavy hitters from Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrup Grumman and other 'defense' contractors populate the board.

It's perhaps not surprising, then, that Turkey is a major recipient of US military aid - running to the billions of dollars – with much of it financed by the US taxpayer. Giraldi suggests in his article that this largesse appears to be the result of bribes paid to congressmen - a suggestion that shouldn't surprise anyone - but there's much more to the story than the usual Iron Triangle / Revolving Door story that we're all familiar with.

In a 10-page article
in Vanity Fair on Sibel's case, the ATC is described as "a front for criminal activity" involving "large-scale drug deals and of selling classified military technologies to the highest bidder." We'll discuss the drug side of the story shortly, but let's first take a quick look at the military technology element - not only are the MIC contractors bribing congress to ensure that military aid flows to Turkey (and Israel), the Turks and the Israelis are also illegally selling that technology to the highest bidder - which inevitably includes America's enemies, States, and terrorist groups.

Sibel's case also involves the nuclear black market - some Turkish members of the ATC have supplied Pakistan's A.Q. Khan network with hardware, as have American companies that Sibel overheard on the wiretaps. Perhaps even more disturbing, as reported in Vanity Fair, other wiretaps indicate that "Turkish groups had been installing doctoral students at U.S. research institutions in order to acquire information about black market nuclear weapons." Daniel Ellsberg says that, according to Sibel, bribes were paid to people at the State Department to facilitate this activity.

These are extraordinary claims, of course, and we have a lot of evidence to support the claims - including, but not limited to, the fact that Valerie Plame's front company, Brewster Jennings, had been conducting a counter-intelligence operation against the ATC for years.
DCScripts
One very interesting aspect of Sibel's case that has not really gained traction is that while the ATC is understood to be the key focus of her case, it appears that AIPAC is equally involved. In a terrific 2005 interview with Chris Deliso, Sibel said:

Essentially, there is only one investigation – a very big one, an all-inclusive one... But I can tell you there are a lot of people involved, a lot of ranking officials, and a lot of illegal activities that include multi-billion-dollar drug-smuggling operations, black-market nuclear sales to terrorists and unsavory regimes, you name it... You can start from the AIPAC angle. You can start from the Plame case. You can start from my case. They all end up going to the same place, and they revolve around the same nucleus of people.


And she went a little bit further in a great interview with David Swanson this week:

"AIPAC helped form the American Turkish Council - look at the board members, look at the people. You will see the same people involved in both fronts, because it is the same operation."

Reading between the lines (in a number of different places), it appears that Sibel was actively involved in 'the AIPAC investigation' as well as the investigation into the ATC. As she says, both the ATC and AIPAC are both 'fronts' for the 'same (criminal) operation.'

Drug Trafficking.
As I document in " Sibel Edmonds & the Neocons' Turkish Gravy-Train," Afghanistan supplies almost 90% of the world's heroin, and most of that goes straight to Turkey where it is processed, packaged, warehoused, and then re-exported to other countries for final consumption. Turkey supplies approximately 80% of Europe's heroin, and 15% of heroin in the US - worth approximately $40 billion at street prices.

Turkey is widely acknowledged to be controlled by a "Deep State." In 1996, a deadly car crash at a place called Susurluk blew this out into the open. In the car were four people who probably shouldn't have been in the car together

"an MP, a police chief, a beauty queen and her lover, a top Turkish gangster and hitman called Abdullah Catli... Catli, a heroin trafficker on Interpol’s wanted list, was carrying a diplomatic passport signed by none other than the Turkish Interior Minister himself.
[]
The Susurluk Incident became Turkey’s Watergate, exposing the deep links between the Turkish state, terrorists and drug traffickers. It revealed what Turks call the Gizli Devlet, or Deep State – the politicians, military officers and intelligence officials who worked with drug bosses to move drugs from Afghanistan into Europe."

Sibel spells it out

"The Turkish government, MIT and the Turkish military, not only sanctions, but also actively participates in and oversees the narcotics activities and networks."
As I outlined in the curiously-titled " Sibel Edmonds: America's Watergate," Sibel's case demonstrates that Turkey's Deep State 'owns' large parts of the American establishment, to the point where it appears that there also is a 'Deep State' in the US as well. ATC/AIPAC appear to be headquarters for this Deep State in the US, a cozy club where drug dealers, weapons traffickers and past-and-present government officials coexist. Happily!

And if that's not bad enough, we also know that:

"Heroin trafficking is also the main source of funding for the al-Qaeda terrorists. A Time Magazine article in August 2004 reported that al-Qaeda has established a smuggling network that is peddling Afghan heroin to buyers across the Middle East, Asia, and Europe, and in turn is using the drug revenues to purchase weapons and explosives. The article states: “...al-Qaeda and its Taliban allies are increasingly financing operations with opium sales. Anti-drug officials in Afghanistan have no hard figures on how much al-Qaeda and the Taliban are earning from drugs, but conservative estimates run into tens of millions of dollars.”


That is, our Turkish Deep State friends, the people we are directly providing with weapons, are outsourcing some of their distribution activities to al-Qaeda and the Taliban (and, while we're at it, to the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA.))

When we are discussing issues such as al-Qaeda smuggling heroin through Afghanistan and the other 'Stans, sometimes it can seem remote and distant, so let's come back to something more concrete. In Adrian Gatton's terrific recent article, The Susurluk Legacy, he quotes Huseyin Baybasin, a Turkish heroin kingpin who is now in jail in Holland:

“I handled the drugs which came through the channel of the Turkish Consulate in England... I was with the Mafia but I was carrying this out with the same Mafia group in which the rulers of Turkey were part.”

Gatton also describes how anyone in the UK government who dared speak about the issue were immediately rebuked by the Foreign Office (the UK equivalent of the State Department.)

The parallels with Sibel's case couldn't be clearer. As 60 Minutes first reported ( youtube) in 2002, and Vanity Fair later reported, the Turkish Embassy was directing a lot of the heroin trafficking activity - in conjunction with people at the ATC.

"Sibel also recalled hearing wiretaps indicating that Turkish Embassy targets frequently spoke to staff members at the A.T.C.
[]
In her secure testimony, Edmonds disclosed some of what she recalled hearing... Many (calls) involved an F.B.I. target at (Chicago's) large Turkish Consulate... Some of the calls reportedly contained what sounded like references to large scale drug shipments and other crimes."


And just as the UK Foreign Office silenced anyone in the UK who tried to speak out, says:
The Department of State is easily the most corrupted of the major government agencies.
[]
In some cases where the FBI stumbles upon evidence of high-level officials being involved in drug-smuggling, they're even prevented from sharing it with the DEA . The Department of State just comes in and says, "Leave it."

Elsewhere, Sibel says:

"For years and years, information and evidence being collected by the counterintelligence operations of certain U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies has been prevented from being transferred to criminal and narcotics divisions, and from being shared with the Drug Enforcement Agency and others with prosecutorial power. Those with direct knowledge have been prevented from making this information available and public by various gag orders and invocation of the State Secrets Privilege. Why?"
Pay attention here, because the ATC is where the worlds of the MIC and the heroin trafficking collide. One of the key Turkish interfaces at the ATC is the Turkish Generals - people that Giraldi says own a stake in the companies through which the military spending is channeled. As described earlier, these exact same people, the Turkish Deep State, also control much of the global heroin market. In between the MIC and the heroin traffickers - are the"neoconservatives (who) distort US foreign policy and enrich themselves at the same time."

One of the difficulties in trying to unravel the Sibel Edmonds case is that we aren't sure where one case ends and another begins. We know that some of the wiretaps were from the ATC, and some from the Turkish embassy in DC, and some from the embassy in Chicago. We also know that many of the wiretaps involve conversations between the embassies and the ATC.
Some of the wiretaps relate to drug trafficking, some relate to the nuclear black market and other weapons trafficking, and some refer to terrorist activity - including 9/11.

Perhaps it's not surprising, then, when she says:

You have the same players when you look into these activities at high-levels you come across the same players, they are the same people.


Those 'same people' - at least on the American side - according to Giraldi, appear to be Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Marc Grossman, Eric Edelman, and Stephen Solarz. It appears that we can also add William Cohen and Joseph Ralston - and Dennis Hastert - to that roster, and I'm sure there are a few more that haven't yet been publicly identified.

If what Sibel says is true, and her claims are all backed by documents and wiretaps, and also backed up by other agents who have filed similar complaints, and are ready and willing to testify. All of these people should be in jail. For a long, long time.

Congress must hold hearings to get to the bottom of these crimes. If you agree, please call Congress, today, and demand public, open hearings.
**************


You know what to do

EMAIL: 60m@cbsnews.com
PHONE: (212) 975-3247
ABC email contacts
MSNBC & NBC Contacts
BBC America contact page
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:55 AM
Response to Original message
1. Thanks for the links, lukery.

I wonder why Brad (Bradblog) didn't interview her on one of his radio shows?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:55 AM
Response to Original message
2. Kick & Nominated
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. And another
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:00 AM
Response to Original message
3. Why can't she testify to Congress -even if in closed session the official summary would start
things going - and we control Congress and could get it published - or as in the case of the Pentagon Papers - read it into the Congressional Record of some one person sub-committee meeting.

There is no excuse for the Dem's ducking this - perhaps they need some email, phone calls and visits.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. closed doors
sibel has testified behind closed doors in congress something like 15 times.

secrecy kills.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. And, I believe politicians on both sides of the aisle
said she is a very credible witness.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #8
35. But the Pentagon Papers required reading them into the Congressional Record via a one person sub-com
hearing -

Why hasn't someone had the balls to do that?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:04 AM
Response to Original message
6. 5th recommend - off to the greatest page
I hope her story can be told, and told loudly.

It will only take one brave MSM person to give her a forum.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:10 AM
Response to Original message
7. Thanks for this. Hopefully, people that are confused
can understand now that she has exhausted the government system to no avail (executive, judicial and congressional). That doesn't mean she has to give up or should. The media need to be accountable to their claim that they are really news media or a fouth estate. Acountability there will help in bringing pressure on the congress to be accountable to the people and the constitution, and the rule of law. I would like to add this:

(email address: moyersonpbs@thirteen.org ) or send mail to:

Public Affairs Television
450 West 33rd St.
New York, NY 10001
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. I called Waxman's & Conyers' offices & sent email to Moyers. Thanx.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Thank you for your efforts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:38 AM
Response to Original message
9. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:44 AM
Response to Original message
10. Why won't Olberman give her air time?
Why won't Michael Moore give her a movie that he can put on DVD and give out for free?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. Olberman doesn't have executive control of his show,
but that Michael Moore idea is not a bad one at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
30. Olbermann would be perfect......
but I tried emailing him and his show. Both bounced back as undeliverable.

Hmmm

I wonder why?

Also disturbing: last night Keith was downing Hugo Chavez. That disturbed me a bit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
33. They've contacted "Countdown"
From the BradBlog article;

There were some "nibbles," as she called them. A producer from CBS Evening News had contacted The BRAD BLOG within hours of publishing our previous story, asking for Edmonds's contact information to forward to 60 Minutes producers. Nothing has come of it so far.

ABC News also inquired. Despite allowing presidents and other officials to make previously undisclosed claims on live programs such as This Week and others, they declined to extend the same opportunity to Edmonds. That, despite dozens of high-ranking officials, elected and otherwise, who have heard her claims over the years and repeatedly declared them to be exceedingly credible and meriting serious investigation.

What about Kieth Olbermann? Surely he'd pick up this story! A producer at MSNBC's Countdown --- perhaps the outlet most often suggested to us as likely willing to interview her --- expressed interest during multiple inquiries we'd made to them. Each time, the promise was made to call us back with on the record information on whether they would do the interview, and if not, why not. They never called us back.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5260
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. that's a good reason to keep sending this story to KO

Make sure that they know that the public knows about this story, and wants an investigation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:47 AM
Response to Original message
11. K & R!
Thanks for all the info....now, to start emailing
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
13. nice job luke
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ringtailtooter Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:43 AM
Response to Original message
14. Great Post, thank you!
I can't wait to read the linked articles.

Sadly, if she gets too public with it and starts burning careers, a fatal car accident headline wouldn't surprise me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #14
43. I was thinking along those lines, too ... n/t k+r
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:50 AM
Response to Original message
15. Thank you for that summary
Important info indeed, and difficult to get into because it's so large and complex.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:00 PM
Response to Original message
16. K & R
Nice job, Lukery:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
17. Thank you, lukery.
K&R. Keep up the great work.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:54 PM
Response to Original message
18. Sibel hets the same treatment that ANY open government citizen or lawmaker gets -
the MUTE button from official Washington and their corporate mediawhores.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
20. If the Turks and AIPAC are running drugs it has to be heroin
Because The Columbian and Mexican governments have the cocaine drug running business cornered. This sounds like the same operation method that the crashed DC9 was involved in. It's probably the same people in our government running both operations. This sounds really big but how do we push this investigation farther? Does she have any more info on methods of transit? Plane numbers would help.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. DEA websites also seem to downplay the increasing usage of heroin in the US...

particularly with respect to "China White" and the more refined forms of heroin that can be snorted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. To understand how serious this is...

look at recent evidence coming to light about the Lockerbie bombing. The bombing may have been staged or "LIHOPed" in part to stop DIA whistleblowers who were on their way to Congress with evidence of a heroin ring that could have broken open the Iran/Contra case sooner than it did.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
22. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:35 PM
Response to Original message
23. K&R ! The fact that Sibel says that an article in American Conservative Magazine....
hits this squarely on the head indicates that there should be strong bipartisan support for this investigation. As Senator Biden indicates, most Republicans in Congress are too afraid to go against Bush, so it is up to progressive Democrats to take up this cause for now. They can not use the excuse that this is a loony left issue. Remember that AMCon Magazine also hit it on the head by outing Michael Ledeen (neocon advisor to the Administration) as being a former supporter of the "universal fascist ideal".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:45 PM
Response to Original message
25. K&R& bookmarked. (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:45 PM
Response to Original message
26. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:50 PM
Response to Original message
27. Thanks lukery
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 03:52 PM by balantz
I sent a nice note to Bill Moyers. I will also write to the news contacts you listed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:03 PM
Response to Original message
28. This was very good
While most people whine and moan about how ineffective our government is, and how Bushco is incompetent, they should be looking at how much money is being stolen and how much crime is being successfully committed by these people.

The big lie here is that letting Bushco stay in power is not doing any damage. Even if no new laws get passed, and even if all our troops came home(yeah, that'll happen)...the trail of bodies will still continue.

:puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:06 PM
Response to Original message
29. ttt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:40 PM
Response to Original message
32. K&R
I wonder what percentage of the general public has ever even heard of Sibel Edmonds?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:23 PM
Response to Original message
34. K&R!!!! Let's all get behind Sibel. I've been following her story for over
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 06:25 PM by BornagainDUer
years. In fact I brought her story out in the open back in 2002. I had absolutely no idea how this story would grow. I just read about her being a translator who knew something sleazy was going on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
36. k&r! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
37. Kick. Lukery I p-mailed you.
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 08:51 PM by BornagainDUer
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:56 PM
Response to Original message
38. K & R. nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:05 PM
Response to Original message
39. Maybe we should push to get Sibel to testify at Brent Wilkes trial in ALEXANDRIA, VA!
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 10:10 PM by calipendence
It looks like they're changing the venue of this trial now to there.

If Sibel has anything that might be used as evidence in this trial, perhaps this is the place to get someone to put her on the stand where you can spill the beans. They look like they are moving this trial from here to there, where she can practically drive down the street from her house to the courthouse.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/cunningham/20071119-1809-bn19wilkes.html

Wilkes trial may move to East Coast

By Jose Luis Jimenez
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

6:09 p.m. November 19, 2007

SAN DIEGO – A federal judge Monday hinted the trial of a key player in the Randy “Duke” Cunningham scandal may move from San Diego to the East Coast.

Poway defense contractor Brent Wilkes and Kyle 'Dusty' Foggo – the former third-highest-ranking official at the CIA – are charged with numerous counts of fraud, conspiracy and money laundering.

They have pleaded not guilty.

During the hearing, Judge Larry Alan Burns said moving the case to the Eastern District of Virginia – the main courthouse is in Alexandria, Va. – would make it easier on the witnesses, the majority of which are on the East Coast.

...


As Sibel and many others have said, a lot of these cases are all "linked together". And also, this is a CRIMINAL trial, not a civil case, so it would be a lot harder for them to play the "State Secrets" cards to try to dismiss it, etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:31 AM
Response to Original message
41. does she have the information on who organized 9/11
as there are some people who would like to know
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:44 AM
Response to Original message
42. Great work. Add this to your journal, so it will be easily found.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 12:46 AM by alfredo
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:34 AM
Response to Original message
44. k&r n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:38 AM
Response to Original message
45. Here's a possible plan of attack...
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 03:57 AM by dantyrant
Maybe this is stupid, or maybe others will think it a potentially fruitful avenue...

The media are unwilling to to air Sibel Edmonds' information. We can beg them, and this may influence them. Perhaps not.

On the other hand, we can cook up something akin to a nu-media blitz. It would take little organization and gain wide recognition.

Here's my proposal:

1. Set up a website, say sibeledmonds.com. Have articles posted/linked there about Sibel's experience at the FBI, etc. Lukery, your articles in particular are excellent and ought to be read by everyone.

2. Develop a mass Youtube infiltration campaign. Everyone with a webcam can post a short clip demanding LET SIBEL EDMONDS SPEAK or similar.

Obviously, these two points could use considerably more thought, but that's the idea. Collaboration with other online organizations, such as 9/11 truth movements, Ron Paul support groups, anyone with a broad reach, would be helpful for multiplying the effect. This isn't a partisan or ideological issue. Co-ordinate a date on which to flood Youtube.

The idea is to demand that the media give time to Sibel Edmonds. The airwaves are the people's, and we demand to hear what she has to say.

The goal is to attract attention to the issue and give people a link where they can find information, and to get people talking about Sibel Edmonds. A 'slam dunk', if you'll pardon the expression, is if she's offered a forum as a result of this publicity campagin. But even if not, it's sure to garner a lot of attention...

So, am I just dreaming here, or does this seem exceedingly doable? Thoughts, comments please. I just put about 2 minutes of thought into this, so if anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:46 AM
Response to Original message
46. Kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
47. Kick. (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
48. kick. nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:27 PM
Response to Original message
49. Discussing now on Peter B. Collins show
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Thanks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC