Woman in Airline Dress Debate Poses Nude

[kskiska]

DALLAS (AP) - The 23-year-old college student who was forced to alter her skimpy outfit before flying on Southwest Airlines is wearing even less on Playboy's Web site. Kyla Ebbert appears in a series of pictures - some in lingerie, some nude - under the heading, ``Legs in the Air.''

``They're very tastefully done,'' Ebbert said Thursday in an interview with The Associated Press. ``I don't see anything wrong with the female body.''

Ebbert said she was paid ``less than six figures,'' but wouldn't give the specific amount.

A Southwest Airlines Co. employee pulled Ebbert off a flight this summer and forced her to adjust her outfit of a tank top, sweater and miniskirt before getting back on the plane.

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Ebbert worked at a Hooters in San Diego but said she is now looking for a more respectable waitressing job. She wants to become an attorney, and doesn't think posing nude should get in the way of her professional aspirations.

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[Bluebear]

1. That's how "humiliated" she was by the whole incident. $$$$$$$$$

[nosmokes]

5. Hold on a sec Blue,

Are you saying she couldn't have been humiliated by being given a lecture by the FA on an cut rate airline on how to dress *properly* for a lady because she posed for playboy?

[Bluebear]

18. First, that 'cutrate' airline is all-union & has excellent labor relations.

Second, it wasn't the FA but an errant ground supervisor, and no, I don't think she was humiliated, she ran this thing all the way to the bank :)

[freeplessinseattle]

19. so she doesn't have feelings?

so...by your logic-say a career nude model was singled out to chastise and punish for what she was wearing would have no right to be upset or have any feelings since she is, after all, just a skank?

Horribly judgemental.

[Bluebear]

26. I am withdrawing from the debate.

I am not being judgmental, you can do it with a goat hanging from a trapeze as far as I am concerned. I'm very happy that the incident has worked out well for her.

[Darth_Kitten]

27. She is catering to the lowest common denominator........

yet she wants respect. :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

28. That sums it up for me. She can do what she wants, but if she wants sympathy, she's going about

it all wrong. :thumbsup:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

94. So you're saying women who pose nude are undeserving of respect?

Sounds prudish.

[book_worm]

42. I agree with you--I think she took advantage of the situation and profited from it

Isn't that the American way?

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[nosmokes]

140. dressed like ahooker? WTF?

Move to a Taliban neighborhood in Afghanistan if you think shorts and a tank top in the summer is hooker wear in San Diego or Tucson. or Any other damn place.She wasn't wearing anything disrespectful. FFS. Get a life, your own.

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[Atman]

156. Where do YOU live?

You don't seem to have ever seen either a) a real hooker, and b) a 23 year old college student in 2007. She isn't wearing anything that one wouldn't see on most of the young women in any mall or college campus ('cept for maybe Liberty University) in America.

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[Lurking Dem]

162. fyi

Hookers:






College girl:

[seabeyond]

163. but i swear the hookers have more on than the airplane girl

bah hahah.

i dont care what the airplane girl was wearing, was teasing

[Toucano]

170. It's TRUE!

:rofl:

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[Harper_is_Bush]

7. Are you fucking kidding?

What she's doing now has nothing to do with how that event went down.

Your comment is indicitive of why women are always under the thumb.

[Darth_Kitten]

29. If anything, this opportunist is one of the reasons......

women are always "under the thumb". Oh, look, I'm using my body to get ahead. "There's nothing wrong with the female body"

Why, of course not, it's the body we all seem to see over and over and over again.
Nude woman, who would have thought. :eyes:

[Greyhound]

9. Please stop giving all of us guys a bad name.

Fer god's sake just STFU, every time you write something like this, it just makes it that much harder for those of us that have moved beyond a 19th century Victorian view of "morality".

[Bluebear]

17. I don't understand your comment at all.

My point was she claimed she was so humiliated by the whole incident, so...she ran to the press for publicity and now is parlaying it into a nude spread.

[Greyhound]

20. Got your point and it is based on a false morality imposed on us during the last gilded age,

and born out of oppression.

[Bluebear]

25. I withdraw from this debate.

Gilded age, false morality and oppression is way beyond the scope of my comment.

[Threedifferentones]

44. Saying she does not deserve sympathy...

because she apparently based many of her decisions on a "profit motive" is not sexist. If a man claimed to have been upset by unfair treatment but did everything possible to crank money and fame out of his situation, anyone might reasonably find his motives and testimony suspect.

I do not know whether she deserves sympathy or not, but assuming that someone questioning her motives is doing so because of a sexist, "Victorian" view of women and their bodies is ridiculous.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

96. So you're saying that people who do things for money are unsympathetic?

Or just women who pose nude?

[Greyhound]

142. Not at all, when a man does such things, in the general sense, it is admirable.

It is "smart" or "shrewd", this treatment is reserved specifically for "the weaker sex".

I don't expect you to agree, after all you are apparently in favor of this prejudice which is symptomatic of the completely successful general strategy of pitting us against one another.

There is no race, there is no sex, there is no party, there is no nationality, there is no religion, there is only the masters and us. Until enough of us realize this fundamental truth and refuse to play, nothing will change.

[Toucano]

145. Jeff Gannon was admired?

It's about being a whore. It's not about being a woman or a man.

[Greyhound]

150. So now she's a whore...

thanks for making my point.:eyes:

[Atman]

Your characterization that she "ran to the press" is totally off-base

She used the press, granted, to point a finger at the ridiculous Christo-fascist mentality of an airline that would demand that young woman dress a certain way. After that, the press ran to HER. Did anyone in their right mind think that a beautiful woman like this WOULD NOT get calls from Playboy? It's what Playboy does! It's their business model. If she had not been accosted on the airplane, she'd have been just another pretty young college girl, and maybe not even have passed the test shoot for Playboy. But she became a "celebrity" of sorts, and that sell magazines for Playboy.

Women and men have been posing nude for centuries, for as long as artists have been around to interpret their forms to canvas (or celluloid). Those who think she has no right to decide what to do with her own body because it makes YOU uncomfortable, are no better than the airline steward who thought her dress was too short. You're trying to dictate YOUR morality on others.

Did you see the pics on Playboy.com? Don't worry, no nudes there, just lingerie. She has a rock-hard body and is probably in the best shape she'll ever be in. What the hell is it to anybody if she chooses to show it off? Contrary to the whiners, it's not making your life as a woman any more difficult that some college kid got naked. That is ridiculous. It has been going on since the dawn of time, and yet, this year we are about a nipples-length away from having a woman president in America. Yeah...sounds like she's really set us all back.

:eyes:

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[JetJaguar]

22. If only she wore Go-Go boots

none of this would have happened.

[MindPilot]

23. Ah back when airlines had more to sell than a plane ride

and a promise to not be as late as often as the other guys.

[ellisonz]

24. Wow.

:eyes:

Ebbert said Thursday she was offended that Southwest tried to turn the dustup to its advantage by promoting a fare sale in honor of miniskirts. Southwest apologized to Ebbert, but she said she found the double-entendre-laced message unacceptable.

``They used my name in an ad campaign without asking permission,'' she said. ``I thought I'd been slapped in the face.

[aquart]

2. Can't wait to see her law school application.

[lonestarnot]

3. And soooooooo?

[Greyhound]

10. See # 9. n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

4. Who didn't see this one coming? (n/t)

[Greyhound]

11. See # 9. n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

178. I'm seeing it...

and my comment had nothing to do with morality or lack thereof. It was about yet another Paris wannabe bottle blonde posing 'tastefully' nude after getting, uh, jammed up. Yeah, that's original ... yawn.

[Harper_is_Bush]

6. Good for her. n/t

[liberalmuse]

8. Good for her.

But I see sexism is still rampant. Even at DU.

If a woman wears skimpy clothing, according to some uptight prig, it's a given she'll pose nude for money. She shouldn't become a lawyer, because such a woman is only good for sexual display. I need a drink. People who have issues with tank tops and who are overly concerned with the way others choose to dress are the ones I think should be pulled off of planes.

[LisaL]

12. Well, this one did pose nude for money.

Didn't you read the OP?

[Rincewind]

13. posed for money

Would everybody be happier if she had posed for free?

[LisaL]

15. Her making or not making the money for posing nude doesn't

make me any happier one way or the other.

[Basileus Basileon]

14. Of course she did.

Money makes the world go 'round.

[Hoof Hearted]

16. I'm SHOCKED!

:sarcasm:

Many lawyers have posed nude. I have a difficult time thinking this young woman will make it into those ranks, having seen her interviews.

[MindPilot]

21. Man, DUers can sure mete out some harsh judgment sometimes

So far from reading this thread I've learned:

That a woman with a nice body couldn't possibly be smart enough to make it though law school.

For some reason parlaying an unfortunate and humiliating incident into a handful of cash is just wrong especially if you happen to be a woman with a nice body.

A woman who is lucky enough to be pretty enough that people will pay to look at her naked deserves nothing but scorn if she choses to take advantage of that.




I just don't get the reason for all the put-downs; I for one am happy it turned out good for her.

[Darth_Kitten]

30. Oh, come on.........

any woman can take off her clothes and get some money for it SOMEWHERE, it doesn't mean that all women do. Believe it or not, some women have self-respect and dignity and are not willing to cater to the notion that women are just sex objects. Yeah, self-respect and dignity.

Do men with "nice bodies" feel the need to strip for cash? Something tells me there's not much of a market for that. Or men don't feel the need to get that kind of attention. :eyes:

Yes, maybe she deserves scorn. I'll save my respect for those who have EARNED it, not just another silly woman desperate for a little attention.

[seabeyond]

31. the man is always there to tell the women how they are suppose to

feel about this issue.

[MindPilot]

36. I suggest that this woman does not deserve a verbal stoning

and that translates to telling "women how they are supposed to feel"?

Sorry I didn't follow that.

[seabeyond]

39. look at what fox news is doing with women. do you really think it is a trend towards respect of

women, or is it an act of degrading women for the male viewer. there is nothing respectful towards women with what fox news is doing. we can all cheer the womans pretty body and making the buck and sexual freedom but none of this has anything to do with respecting female.

the whole feel of the male audience watching and the fox news male reporters commenting on these clips are creepy. a bunch of pathetic men slobbering all over themselves to see females bodies.

they are all about taking these women about naked and showing how dumb these girls are, but damn, their worth is in their tits, isnt it guys?

then you... a male tell me.... a female, i should embrace that bullshit.

not going to happen. not going to respect the female that allows herself to be reduced to that for entertainment of male

and listening to many of the males last week on different threads talking to me about porn and other stuff... you guys are fighting awfull hard to get this whole mentality a sense of respectability that it is not going to and never will receive.

male doesnt respect this female. i have heard the shit they say about the female that strips. there is no respect at all

yet... i am being told i need to respect this female.

[Lurking Dem]

40. There are schmucks in every

group/industry/demographic on the planet. No one is responsible for their schmuckiness but them.

It is YOUR lack of respect and degradation of women who do this that is the issue.

You are not being asked to "embrace" it. You are being asked to accept it.

[Atman]

47. So now FOX NEWS is an arbiter of morality in America?

This is getting really comical! Suddenly we have some respect for Fox New's opinion, and it's because of tits and ass. BRILLIANT!

.

[seabeyond]

51. the simple question, .... as a female, this is what i am suppose to feel good about?

[Atman]

54. A simpler question is, why do you feel BAD about it?

What is the rationale for you feeling so terrible about any person following their own path? Who are you to say, and why, oh why, does it make YOU feel bad? No one asked you to pose naked. Or perhaps, that's the problem? :shrug: I just can't understand why you think it is about you feeling good or bad. She's not making a statement for the future of womankind. She took her clothes off. So what?

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[seabeyond]

60. THIS is why i have issue with porn. this. and how a male uses it against female

when they want to attack. this is how i have watched the last decade of male using porn. to attack female. they dont respect the female stripping down. i have heard the crudest, filthiest most disgusting remarks towards these very female you say you respect. yet on the other hand i watch the male use porn to also attack females sexuality when they arent a part of this group.

what part of that do you want me to respect with men.

[FatDave]

177. Ummm, excuse me for a moment.

(Some may consider the following Too Much Information. Read at your own discretion.)

See, I am a man. A straight man. Which means I like women. I find them beautiful. Beautiful to talk to, beautiful to touch, and yes, beautiful to look at. Even naked. Doing any of these things arouses me. Because I like women. That's nature for you.

But here's a dirty little secret about men. We masturbate. A lot. And even though I have a wife who very much enjoys sex, I still need to jack off sometimes. Know why? Because men aren't really wired for monogamy. We want to have sex with as many women as we possibly can. It's an evolutionary advantage, so the drive is strong. We have to actively fight it. Some men can't fight it and end up cheating on women that they genuinely love. I'm not trying to justify men who cheat, I think they're weak and disrespectful to their partners for doing it. But one way to fight the urge to sleep with other women is to fantasize about sleeping with other women. Which is why even married men with very sexual wives need to masturbate. It's because we need to fantasize. Yes, about other women. Other women we can't really have. Does that bother you? Well tough shit. I'm not going to apologize for having a penis and the urges that come with it.

Now sometimes my imagination is all I need. I can dream up some beautiful lady to imagine fulfilling all my desires. Yes, she's fulfilling my desires. Do you know why? Because it's my god-damned fantasy, thank you very much. But other times I like to look at a picture of a woman. Sometimes naked. But you know what? Usually not. Sure, she's often exposing some part of the body that's generally covered, but rarely all of it. I like a little left to the imagination. Sometimes she's exposing nothing at all. Sometimes it's a girl in the fucking Penny's ad. Or a woman on The Price is Right.

But here's the thing. I don't think of these women that aid my fantasies as trash, or sluts, or any other lowly thing you seem to expect. And I sure as hell don't think of them as objects. I think of them as women. Beautiful, beautiful women. Women who have a power over me stronger than any drug known to humanity. If anything, I am grateful for their existence and grateful for them posing nude. And if they get paid to do it, good for them. It's their choice. And of course as a liberal, I'm all about the freedom to choose.

I love women. On many many levels. Including sexually. And sometimes I like to fantasize about having sex with women. And I like to see pictures of them nude. It's what men do. But how exactly am I attacking women when I do any of this? Why is it such a threat to you? Why do you consider me a bad person for only doing what is natural for me, and every other man, to do? I'm not sure what your issue is, but I'm pretty sure it is your issue.

[Atman]

180. Equally strong as men's need to masturbate is women's need to control.

Nuff said.

[seabeyond]

184. seeing a pattern with you atman

little jab here, little jab there. hm.....

[Atman]

187. Jeez, and now she makes snide remarks about the size of my jab!

;)

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[seabeyond]

188. you really do have a wonderful sense of humor atman

thanks

[Atman]

190. Hey, you're story was very compelling. Thank you.

You certainly have insight that many (most) of us simply can't comprehend. Despite the differences on larger issues, we share a lot of commonalities, and I also thank you for adding a much-needed perspective to this "debate." Which, kind of unfortunately, speaks volumes all by itself; here we are as a nation facing down some of the most vexing problems since the founding fathers got this little experiment going, and still a t&a thread and a debate about what is "appropriate" behavior for women draws hundreds of responses.

I know I did my part. So to speak. :)

Anyway, you've probably got the right idea about leaving this thread behind. Thank you, again. Despite a few hiccups, it actually has been interesting.

Peace.

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[seabeyond]

191. i hear ya

peace

back atcha

[Lurking Dem]

182. And I frankly feel no shame

or degradation regarding men who have whacked off to a picture of me.

Whoop. Dee. Shit.

In fact, I generally found it to be somewhat empowering to be able to stir someone (not just men) like that.

[seabeyond]

185. lurking dem

i have appreciated the time i have spent with you in this thread and a couple others. i have enjoyed getting to know you better and hearing some of your experience in life. has been interesting and insightful. thanks for the sharing

feel empowered in your sexuality of stirring others. most females do. i know i have for a lifetime. one of the greatest challlenges i am facing getting older is seeing.... boo hoo, that it is not so easily there anymore. though the age of the male just goes up a tad. saying, i am not denying that part of the female that we are. there is a balance to be had, and expectation and self image has a lot to do with what we chose.

i have been very clear that i do not have the respect so many are demanding of me for the job. but... what we have not explored is the ability for me to also recognize that is not the whole of who a person is. never have i been able to dismiss a person simply because they were strippers or whatever else we have talked about in this thread. the truth is there is so much to a person as a whole, though i may not be impressed with their chosen job or the world they chose to live in, does not mean i cannot find a wonderful, thoughtful, insightful, intelligent person, or a good mom, good person... whatever.

anyway. i am out of this thread. just wanted to say thanks. i think it was the post about your son, and a post in another thread, i really enjoyed what you had to say.

[seabeyond]

183. excellent

thanks for posting.

women masturbate too. womens pictures are the written words in books. their fantasies are the hunky hanging male. i am not seeing a lot of difference between the male and female in this even though men insist there gender must do it and is unique to the women. from experience, not so different. those are private moments, and worked out or not between the couple, really has nothing to do with me. porn in and of itself is neutral. your expressions is the most positive use of porn. absolutely not a single issue with it. no problem here for me.

i was raped at 17. i was drugged at 25. i remember only glimpses like getting out of car and two guys arguing in the apartment parking lot. then a moment when a guy is on top of me. he was a friend. was in love with me. i had no interest in sex with him. in the morning he says was good, just wish you moved a bit. i thought, fuck, wish i was conscience

18, 19 in san diego i had three old farts offer to be my sugar daddy. being alone and desperate for money i thought can i fuck these old men. eeeeew. also was offered a job with little costume where boobs hung out. i had to think hard at that point in my life what i wanted and what i was willing to do for money, to eat and have a roof over my head. a little self reflecting. how easy it would be for the money. and i couldn't sell me out.

i walked into the porn world and explored in late teens and early twenties, again saying porn is not inherently bad. it is what is done with it. in my exploration i felt the degradation of women. as much as men would like to tell me it is not, and the workers in this field would like to tell me it is not, that is what i felt and how i interpreted it.

i, as a female, have spent a lifetime experiencing male predators. an experience that most women live with. just life and the way it works. but this is from the female perspective, seeing how you shared the male. i have watched two predators home in on first my niece at 8 and another with my son. i have watched grown males behave horribly to my preteen niece because she has boobs.

i watched my brother let young children watch sexually explicit movies, have porn calenders on his kitchen wall (for the sole purpose of intimidating, controlling female) and the mother teaching the girl to use sexuality to get what she wants. i watched her at 13 prance across a room to flop on grandpas lap and stick boobs in grandpas face to get what she wants. i watched her lay on the couch next to my hubby, put legs on his lap and raise hips (crotch) into his face, cause.... god only knows, she is exploring her sexuality.

i had an employee, deacon of a church, a believer god placed him head of family ergo the boss. when he was fired he had over three thousand porn pictures on his work computer. hubby is cleaning up the machine and all the while i am thinking, eeeeeew, every time i walked thru the hall and said hi, and he was looking at his computer with some womans legs spread staring up in his face... eeeeew. and creeped me out

am i not allowed to be creeped out. am i not allowed to react thru the experiences of a lifetime with these sexual experiences that has colored my life. am i not allowed to say.... from my experience, porn has been used to denigrate female.

another friend out of town, hubby best friend, we are visiting. he is pissed at his wife. he treats her like shit, she treats him like shit. he comes home from work, we are suppose to go out and he is pouting like a little boy, god knows why. he pulled out a bunch of cards on a ring and flippin thru them. they are breasts. big deal, fuckin breasts. i have been lookin at breast for a lot of years, not a deal to me. yet he is suppose to be making me and his wife feel bad, cause he is looking at these breasts. hubby comes into room and he throws it to him. once hubby is focused on it and realizes what is up, he says wtf. all he wants is to go out and have a good time. now friend is trying to invoke a pissed off wife

why this long post

there seems to be a single way of thinking here. i must be fundamentalist, a-sexual, nonsexual, sexually dysfunctioning prude. there must be something wrong with me. i must respect the job these women do strippin or i am not a liberal, i am a-sexual, nonsexual, fundamentalist or a sexually dysfunction prude. there is a demand that it must be accepted mainstream and anyone that doesn't is .... well we all know. it must be allowed out of its confined world and become a part of everyones life, and not everyone wants it in their life. a lot of people do not.

the people in this environment like to tell themselves all the women that have issue with it does it cause they are jealous, because they are ugly or fat or cannot attract a man. they tell themselves these things to feel better about their choices, but it isn't a reality. the reality is a woman walks thru life with many different kinds of men and a lot of them behave poorly. we deal with it. we put it in its place, we continue to strive to stay healthy and balanced, and love our husbands, and raise our sons to embrace their gender in the most healthy of way so they will be good men and good fathers and good husbands.

and we are trying to raise daughters in a fashion so they will not buy into so much of this shit that is being fed to them, so they can have healthy well balanced sex lives and lives as a whole and be able to be mothers and good wives.

that is all

not a big conspiracy. not a bunch of prudish women. just normal every day, sex loving, well balanced female that dont want porn in our lives and not all that impressed with the women that strips down for male entertainment... even though they really really want us to be impressed.

[Lurking Dem]

189. So, now you're all innocent

and pro career choice?

You have stated that women who do this were degrading not only themselves, but all women.

You have said what we do is shameful. You have said we are not deserving of respect.

not going to respect the female that allows herself to be reduced to that for entertainment of male

You have alluded in other threads that those of us who support various adult businesses would naturally also support illegal acts - like having sex with a corpse

as long as he has his sexual freedom.... nothings bad, its all good. n/t

But you are not "judging"! Oh nooooooooooooo! Women can certainly degrade themselves, pandering to men's basest "creepy" carnal instincts if they really, really WANT to!

[seabeyond]

64. No one asked you to pose naked. Or perhaps, that's the problem?

right..... that wasnt a dig there.

[Atman]

68. Of course it was a dig. Or has humor been banned now from DU?

:eyes:

If you can't take a dig, put away the shovel you keep trying to whack everyone with.

.

[seabeyond]

70. ya... i hear all kinds of digs being excused for humor today. ha ha

it was to put me in my place. and i will not go.

[Atman]

71. Well, I'm not sure what the excuse is for the crapola you're posting!

It's certainly not funny, I can tell you that much. Kinda scary, in fact. You seem to have issues.

.

[seabeyond]

76. you seem to

be an ass..... go figure.

[Atman]

81. Don't talk about my ass! You exploiter!

Why is always about SEX with you!!!!

:hi:

.

[seabeyond]

82. you made me giggle n/t

[MindPilot]

73. I said exactly nothing about Fox News.

But you've made your point quite clear: Sexual freedom is wonderful until a woman actually uses it.

[Atman]

46. And what are YOU doing?

I have to trust your word as gospel on this one because you and the woman in question share some body parts that I don't have? How does that work? Enlighten me, and all of my poor, Neanderthal brethren. We yearn to hear the truth once and for all so that we might finally mend our caveman ways.

Tell it to Leonardo and Rubens and Gauguin while you're at it.

.

[seabeyond]

50. you tell me how fox news is using naked women to anyway "honor" a woman

being respectful of a woman. to bring the woman up. is that really what you see when you watch those clips on fox news. that they are showing a womans worth as a whole, or limiting her to tits and tits only, nothing more and in the most degrading and disrespctful way. is fox role to empower the female?

[Atman]

55. Where did I say any such thing?

You're straying off into crazy-land here.

.

[seabeyond]

58. so, hurry up and put a picture for you guys, cause just gotta see it

so not a big deal. 70's in calif i was running around all summer in much less as was about every other girl.... but look at you guys. oh goody, look, yum.... i love you.

think about what the guy looks like to all us women with this behavior. just laughable, ....

[Lilith Velkor]

98. *ahem*

Some of us women like to look at women. Just sayin.

[Darth_Kitten]

122. ???

Chip on your shoulder?

[Mad_Dem_X]

32. AMEN! n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

123. merci

;)

[Lurking Dem]

34. So women who pose nude

have no self respect or dignity.

Perfect.

Thanks.

[Darth_Kitten]

124. Pretty much.........

I don't know many women who would enjoy having creepy guys masturbating to pictures of them naked.

Maybe I was harsh, but I think women are better than this. Women can do more than pose nude for money.

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[seabeyond]

129. bah hahahah. thats the bottom line n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

138. Grow up.

n/t.

And how classy by the way.

[Lurking Dem]

147. Seems to be the going talking point.

"Slut"

"Opportunist"

"Creepy guys"

No "self-respect"

No "dignity"

"Deserves scorn"

"Lowest common denominator"

You denigrate ME and then tell ME to "grow up"?

[Darth_Kitten]

192. Uh, just where did I call ANYONE a SLUT?

Please let me know. Please also let me know how I denigrate you.

Maybe learn not to take posts so seriously. Or rather, not read into them what YOU wish to. :eyes:

[Lurking Dem]

193. I was combining things said

by those using the "grow up" epithet.

As to denigration:

Lurking Dem - So women who pose nude have no self respect or dignity. Perfect. Thanks.


Darth_Kitten - Pretty much.........

I don't know many women who would enjoy having creepy guys masturbating to pictures of them naked.

Maybe I was harsh, but I think women are better than this. Women can do more than pose nude for money.


What what would YOU call it? Supportive? Understanding? Respectful of any choices I may have made?

Am I seriously reading into what you have been saying all over this thread? Am I so wrong to be offended by your (and others') statements?

OH! I get it! I HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED! Isn't that it? I abrogated my rights when I took off my clothes in front of a camera! :eyes:

How is that any different than the Saudi courts saying a girl abrogated her rights not to be raped by sitting in a car with a man she was unrelated to? That, in fact, she was the cause of what happened?

[MindPilot]

132. Creepy?

Are you saying that any guy who masturbates to pictures of naked women is creepy?
If the guy is not creepy, is it OK to look a pictures of naked women and masturbate?

[Darth_Kitten]

139. Fire away.

n/t

[MindPilot]

141. OK, but I'm at work.

[Lurking Dem]

146. LOL!

[Maine-ah]

153. meh, for 50k bucks I don't give a crap what you do to my

pic, not like I can see some guy in Cali wankin' off to a nude pic of me.

Yes, women can do more than pose nude for money, but, really what is so wrong with it?

Something I've been thinking about while reading this thread that is making my laugh a little. Isn't most of DU moist over the guy who publishes Penthouse because he supposedly has info on a bunch of republican sex scandals?

Anyway, all the power to the girl, if this is what she wants to do, so be it. It's not my life.

[Atman]

45. Since when are "self respect," "dignity" and nudity mutually exclusive concepts?

Did it ever occur to you that she has plenty of self respect? Maybe she has self respect, and is also not ashamed of herself, the way some in this thread seem to have been indoctrinated.

And if you think that men with nice bodies don't strip for cash, you haven't surfed around the internet much! :rofl:

.

[Darth_Kitten]

125. Read my post again.

n/t

[BoneDaddy]

85. Aren't you guilty

of imposing your "morality" upon her?

Last I checked women had a "choice" to do what they choose. Funny, how some feminists are as guilty as the critics of feminism on disallowing women of their choices, especially the ones you happen to disagree with.

[seabeyond]

87. no one is "disallowing women of their choices" n/t

[BoneDaddy]

149. hmmm

doesn't seem that....Seems some people want her to be something else than what she chooses to be

[seabeyond]

151. hmmmmmm

the issue seems to be. that i must respect the woman that strips for the entertainment of men and not feel it is degrading to women as a whole and to understand that men respect the woman that strips.

i dont agree.

that is a big difference than saying stop women from strippin.

[BoneDaddy]

155. I respect men and women who strip

I love looking at beautiful bodies, both male and female. Why does it have to be, in your world, that anyone who strips or objectifies themselves is doing something "bad"? or is your morality better than that of the fundamentalist...it is just different cause it is yours

[seabeyond]

157. i dont see a whole llot of that respect that you

and the men on this board profess they have for the women that strip for the entertainment. i think if i saw a respect for these women then it would be a lot easier to swallow. but i do not. i am old. i have been around a long time. i spent my late teens and 20's exploring too. i was old before getting married and spent most all my time with men. i had two brothers and a father. not a lot of women in my life, a lot of men. consistantly what i have seen and heard from males as far as these women is anything but respectful. it is the most degrading comments about the female. it is vulgar and crude and ugly. mean, vicious. i have not seen the respect that is all of a sudden rampant within the males except on the board.

go to any porn site and read
listen to any two or more males talk together.

i dont know how you get that it is oh so respectful, valuing the beauty of the female body, because that is not what i have heard from the males.

[BoneDaddy]

160. you do not know me...stop projecting

even if what you said was true, it still does not take away the "choice" women have to earn money in ways that you object to. You are as bad as any fundamentalist moralist

Edit: I mean listen to yourself. You say things like "listen to what two males talk about"..Christ you are a prime offender of judgement.. Who the fuck died and made you queen/king?

[seabeyond]

161. i did not once say you. so stop arguing about something that didnt happen

i specifically only mentioned ALL the men i have heard. never did i project onto you. firstly

second, you asked why i had issue "with all this respect to womens beautiful body" and i told you why

third.... back to the original.... NO ONE is saying stop the porn, stripping or prostitution.

but good of you to do a little attacking me, wink...

[BoneDaddy]

166. "all of the men I have heard"

Wow...so ALL of the men you have ever heard... interesting... None have ever deviated from your conclusion about men...lol..
Seems you want to Sea what you want to sea
So seabeyond that

[seabeyond]

167. all the men i have heard diss... yes, there have been many a man that

i have heard diss...

do i hear every man diss.... no, that is not what i said. not every man i talk to talks about girls strippin.

[seabeyond]

168. so if i do not say i respect the strippin job, that makes me a fundamentalist

that is all it takes. i just gotta gotta respect that job.

but i dont gotta.

why do YOU care whether i respect that woman or not. why do YOU insist that i must respect what she is doing. why must i.

i am not telling her to stop. i am not telling you not to look. i am saying i personally think it is pathetic. i get to think that.

[BoneDaddy]

194. English anyone

is this done in drunk talk?

[Darth_Kitten]

127. Well, everyone here has an opinion on the subject.....

and you don't care for mine, fair.

Sure she can strip if she wants, but how empowering is that? Can't women move BEYOND that?

[BoneDaddy]

148. sure they can

but the same can be said of men who choose to do jobs that are way less than their ability... not that I am saying that what she is doing is "way less than her ability" but rather in response to what you are judging her on

[Lilith Velkor]

95. Men don't strip for cash?

Holy Fuck. :wow:

This is a prime example of why none of my friends want to join DU -- they have no interest in discussing current events with the uninformed and/or psychotic.

Oh well.

[Lurking Dem]

97. Or maybe it is because

there are no men here stripping for cash.

Just a thought. :+

[Lilith Velkor]

99. Not the ones with nice bodies, anyway

:o

[Lurking Dem]

100. Heh.

Clearly I'm not spending enough time in the lounge!

[Atman]

101. You need to get out more.

There is an all-male strip club in Springfield, MA. I've never been there, but I'm pretty sure it's not a gay club, at least not the way they advertise. But I could be wrong. A block away are a couple of regular (read: female) strip clubs; and my wife and I have gone with friends before (before the all-male club opened). Online there are plenty of porn sites featuring male strip clubs filled with pics of buffed men dancing for crowds of screaming women -- women of all ages, like your danged mom! Don't be so quick to judge. It's a big world out there. Just because you're used to one "norm" doesn't mean there aren't other horizons to be discovered.

.

[Lilith Velkor]

103. I'm not the one who needs to do that

That would be the poster to whom I initially replied.

The rest of the exchange is tongue-in-cheek.

[Darth_Kitten]

137. Yes, we all know that some males strip. Geez, people get a grip.

but convince me that males are objectified the way women are? Yeah, right.

[Darth_Kitten]

135. Oh,you are SO informed and so are your friends......

where are they, one who loves to project so much?

[Darth_Kitten]

131. Well, we all know how informed and sane you are, dear.

Maybe you and your "friends" can't handle a little debate, honey?

[Lurking Dem]

33. Well said.

It seems one is either forced in some manner to pornography or is an immoral, cheap slut for engaging in it.

Disconcerting.

[MindPilot]

37. "Disconcerting." is right, especially since it is Playboy.

Which is pornography only in the broadest puritanical definition.

[BoneDaddy]

86. I see alot of this on DU

I totally reject the right's "morality" push, but I am finding the left also has their own version of morality and if you don't abide by it, you become as "objectified" as the complaint about objectification.

Why can't a woman be a lawyer, sue some airlines imposition of their version of morality and pose nude for money?

[Squatch]

38. Do a Google search for Laurie Wallace

She and I were highschool friends (unfortunately, without "benefits"). She speaks something like 3 or 4 languages and attended law school. I think she got bored with law and started with Playboy before she went into legal practice.

[Atman]

49. I went to high school with LuAnn Fernald

Another Playboy "playmate" who went on to be quite successful, without ever doing another "celebrity" appearance at a boat show or auto expo.

.

[CT_Progressive]

35. This thread is useless without pics

:rofl:

[truebrit71]

48. Damn...you beat me to it...

:rofl:

[Atman]

52. Here you go...

.

[CT_Progressive]

53. I love you, Atman.

:)

:toast:
:bounce:
:wow:
:thumbsup:
:applause:
:woohoo:

[truebrit71]

56. YUM!!!!

...

[Lorien]

77. They took her off the plane for THAT outfit??

it's ugly, but it's hardly "revealing". Kind of reminds me of when I was in Italy and I was walking into a Cathedral. A priest was out front and he was checking everyone out and deciding who was dressed appropriately enough to be allowed inside and who wasn't. A chubby tourist in shorts and a tank top was allowed inside, but a shapely young woman (easily as fit as this one) was turned away in her nearly knee length skirt and v-neck shirt. :crazy:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

186. They didn't take her off the plane.

She was humiliated by a flight attendant quite publicly and then given a blanket to cover-up.

As to the outfit...she appeared on The Today Show and when she went to sit down, millions of viewers caught a glimpse of her panties.

[Zywiec]

89. Thanks Atman!

I'm sure most of the negative posters only dream of looking like that. You go girl!

:hide:

[seabeyond]

92. listen to you. got it. use the porn to put women down. one way or another

of course, gotta be cause i am jealous. listen to you. then wonder why women dont like. no no, gotta like it.

(not that this is porn. it is nuthing)

see how you men use it, time and again to put down women. and if it isnt used this way, it is the actual stipper that gets the filth directed at them

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

112. It seems to me...

that we're not the ones putting this woman down, calling her disrespectful and so on.

[seabeyond]

118. pull the other leg.

men do not respect these women. men jack off to these women. they do not marry these women. they dont have babies with these women. they dont spend a lifetime with these women. they jack off to them.... no more.

[Atman]

120. Hmmm. I'll have to introduce to a few friends of mine

You really do rely on lots of stereotypes and misinformation. I know two of "these women" (whatever THAT means), and they're married to friends of mine, and have children.

Go figure.

Oh, and I've never jacked off to them. I can't speak for their husbands, though.

.

[MindPilot]

128. So this is where it's at after few decades of feminism?

Man, marriage, babies, lifetime. Or else you're a slut?

Power up the flux capacitor, Doc! We're going back to 1955!

[seabeyond]

130. not even kinda.... n/t

[Lurking Dem]

133. I am floored.

Really, really floored.

(I'm also, apparently, unworthy of any respect - forget what my DAY job was, and I am responsible for denigrating all of womankind.)

[MindPilot]

134. Hey you are not *totally* responsible

Apparently I've done more than my fair share. :spank:

[Lurking Dem]

136. Heh.

Pass the hemlock!

[Ignis]

171. Way to paint all men with a broad brush.

Are the only feminist men the ones with ugly wives?!

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

172. yes, it was a broad brush....

and i was also making a point.

[Ignis]

173. What was your point?

All I saw was sexism.

[Atman]

174. Maybe that was her point...that women can be just as sexist as she is accusing men of being.

:shrug:

BTW..."broad" brush...isn't that sexist?

.

[seabeyond]

176. ..."broad" brush.......... clever you are. n/t

[seabeyond]

175. the reason for the broad brush was to make it so very simple for the guys

i am pretty sure you got the point.

[ShaneGR]

154. You are the greatest human being ever to live....

God I'm such a perv. lol

[book_worm]

41. I figured this would happen.

[Breeze54]

43. Some of the comments here seem to be coming from SWA !

:P

So she posed nude for money? I'm not surprised at all.

I wouldn't do it but that has nothing to do with SWA being morons and prudes.

Men and women have been posing nude for centuries.

---------------------------


Life Study

The Nude in Art - a Brief History

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/museum/djc/graves.htm

Ellen Graves
Associate Lecturer in the Arts
Open University in Scotland

Perhaps the history of the nude in art, which traditionally begins with the heroic male of Greek art of the classical period (6th - 5th century BC), should be pushed back to around 30-25,000 BC. This is the date of the tiny statuette, probably designed to be held in the hand, popularly called the Willendorf Venus and depicting a corpulent female. Like much early art, she was almost certainly a fertility symbol of some kind. Indian temple art, some dating from at least the 1st century BC, often depicts voluptuous female nudes. Again, these erotic figures had a serious religious function, representing various manifestations of fertility deities. With the emergence of the male nude in Greek art, however, we are dealing with a rather different phenomenon, a figure of ideal proportions used both as a way of memorialising real people and as a portrayal of Gods and godlike mythical heroes - the ideal heroic nude. Both male Kouroi and female Korai statues exist in Greece from c.625 BC. These were funerary or votive statues and the male ones were nude, whereas the female ones, obviously based on male templates, were clothed, clearly not deploying life models in their making.

In fact, to discuss the role of the nude in art, it's probably best to start with two qualifiers. One is that historically, with a few exceptions, the nude is mainly a phenomenon of Western art. The other is that from very early on, the nude male and the nude female are treated quite differently and have different roles to play. The male nude body in Greek sculpture was used both for portrayals of ideal heroes - gods and idealised portraits of real heroes, notably the champions at the Olympic games. This brings up another basic aspect of the nude in art, its sometimes uneasy relationship to sexual desire. The entrenched homo-eroticism of ancient Greek society clearly has a good deal to do with the pre-eminence of the heroic male nude. In fact, around the 4th century BC, Praxitales and other sculptors did begin depicting nude females, notably the goddess of love, Aphrodite. But it remained indecorous for female portraits to depict nudity. More generally, a double standard where male and female nudity was concerned, persisted through the period of Roman sculpture and, indeed, right up to modern times, though its terms of reference frequently changed.

After the rise of Christianity, portrayal of nudes in the west decreased drastically. Virtually the only permissible nudity for centuries, in fact, was in religious art, with painted and sculpted depictions of Adam and Eve (though they were often discreetly draped) and in some Last Judgment scenes. Nudity was used in such art as a signifier of shame, but there is some evidence that figures such as the naked damned in hell, for instance, could also evoke humour. These figures could therefore function as amusing footnotes, comic relief as it were - a far cry from the open and frequent display of perfect nude bodies in ancient Greece for the delectation of viewers.

With the rediscovery of classical antiquity starting in the 13th century in Italy, nudity began once again to become a respectable and indeed, a major theme in the visual arts.

More........

[Atman]

59. Attitudes come from so many different places. I, for instance, grew up on the beach.

In Cocoa Beach, we were allowed to attend school in bathing suits. Boy and girls were "naked" almost all the time, as the average bikini covers up less than most bra and panties. Surf spots didn't provide changing rooms, so we changed in the parking lot. It was never about "degrading" or "immoral." It was never about anything except being what it was. Nothing. Just another day in life.

.

[seabeyond]

62. and i was a competitive swimmer in calif in the 70's,..... changing in the car

wearing a see thru lycra swimsuit thru out youth into young adulthood for competitive college swimming. so tell me my shame in my body and my nudity

[Atman]

67. Yes, my wife was a competitive swimmer. The guys wore "meat suits," too, I recall.

Same see-through Lycra as my wife wore. Swimmers, men and women, tend to have incredible bodies.

I don't have to tell you your shame in your body or nudity. I'm just suggesting you seek professional help for whatever has happened to you since your swimsuit days, because you are displaying some incredible anger and irrationality, and making many false assumptions and accusations toward me.

.

[seabeyond]

74. i am watching two nieces trying to figure out their sexuality in this world we have today

they are truly screwed up in two complete opposite ways because of this shit. it is no longer about nature, and natural sexuality and the development of. you dont have a friggin clue.

my 11 yr old niece that still thought herself a kid grew boobs. and god forbid we allow her to develop in a natural way. out in front yard with my two younger sons playng in sprinklers men in trucks slow down, ogle, turn in the street to get another look at her boobs bouncing around as she plays in the sprinklers. or a year later, a 40 yr old male waiter rubbing himself up against her as he serves her water. or the 12 year old boys talking to her about hooters at the scool cafteria simply to make her more self conscious, shrugging shoulders incave to hide her tits cause of the behavior of men and BOOBS fuckin just boobs. let her be able to learn sexuality in the natural, non harmful way we did in the 70's

then my other niece has a father that hangs porn calanders on the kitchen wall cause he is pissed at his wife and says really he is just honoring the beauty of female. watch sexually explicit films with their children. that niece learned to use sex to exploit. 15 she had first abortion. 18 she is having a baby and having fucked three different males in all her sexual freedom didnt have a clue who the father is. now the baby here and a mess the babies life will be since this girl does not have a clue in life how to walk without using sex to get her way

IF it could only be what i was raised in the 70's and allowed to develop healthy self esteem and sexuality

dude

[CT_Progressive]

78. Sorry about your nieces. But, please place the blame where it belongs: their parents.

kthx.

[seabeyond]

80. you are right, really parents fault girl got boobs early and grown men acting like retards. n/t

[Atman]

88. Men have always acted like retards. In some cultures the answer is BURKAS.

I'm not trying to be snide or flip, so please don't think that. I'm making a valid point. Men have ALWAYS been assholes. In less enlightened societies, the answer isn't to address the issue of stupid men, it's to simply cover up the women. Treat them as objects to be hidden out of view because some assholes can't control themselves.

I tell you what, I thank my lucky stars I didn't have girls. Seriously. I couldn't deal. But, my wife and I raised our two boys in a nudity-friendly environment, and they're both very healthy and respectful of women as a result. Nudity was never about porn. We taught respect, for women AND men, for life in general.

We all still have our inner cave man to deal with. Some of us adjust and adapt -- evolve -- differently. If I had an 11 year old daughter getting leered at and cat-called from some creeps in passing trucks, my less-evolved side would come out, I assure you. It wouldn't be pretty.

There are some issues I disagree with you on, though, pertaining to the seventies. I recall, in fact, that some of the very acts which I believe HELPED us learn a healthy respect for nudity would get our kids suspended or expelled today and remanded to years of reprogramming. We used to have to take showers together in gym class, remember? (No, not co-ed!) And there was always the kid who got tossed out of the locker room into the hallway nekkid. There was always the girl who liked to show off by "accidentally" leaving a door open while changing. We all survived, because none of this was made out to be a CRIME. It's basic kid psychology 101 -- teach kids it's bad and forbidden and BOOM, they gotta have it. THAT is a the root of so much of the dysfunction today. We're REGRESSING as a society, moving toward Taliban-style mores, demanding that we, as men, must "protect" women from ourselves by forcing them to cover up cuz, you know, we can't control ourselves.

It's completely the opposite of the you and I experienced in the 70's, and yet look what has happened? People are MORE fucked up about sexuality, not less. We've criminalized nature and natural, healthy exploration. Is it any wonder kids are so confused?

.

[seabeyond]

91. now we are talking instead

of just attacking. yes you are right about what is happening becuase of the fundamentalist and sex is a sin bullshit. i know this to be true, not only what we are seeing with our holier than thou, gonna show you morality republicans fuckin up all over the place, but because i am a calif girl, not bothered with nudity, having lived on a farm attitude living in the panhandle texas, bible belt. i sent my kids to a private school for 6 yrs and saw and experienced the mentality of sex forbidden and saw what it did to people. not what i was raised with so was all new to me. i took boys out of boyscouts after being around some of the leaders and they made me very uncomfortable leaving my boy in their care

i agree with you absolutely

we also have a house of non shame nudity. my babies where nude more than they werent. i was taking so many pictures showing penis's without a thought until mil asked if she could get a picture of grandson that didnt show his lower half. we dont hide it. we dont feel shame. sex is natural. and fun. and exciting.... all good stuff. and there is a responsibility

but

i feel that with all the sexual lewdness and wanting girls to be sluts at 6.... look at the tshirts they sell young girls to wear to school, the ADULT WORLD of SEXUALITY being fed to our kids today is EQUALLY causing issues in our childrens journey of their own sexuality.

i am not worried about my kids, because we also teach respect to all people in all ways.... it doesnt lessen what is happening with the kids today. the adult world is no longer restricted to the adults. and the porn sites are not respectful to females. when a child learns this is what a female is, be it male or female, that is not healthy.

it is no longer the playboy or a stray hustler the boys are picking up.

a restaraunt that is about boobs and asses are for families. rollin eyes. but they have good wings. give me a break.

[CT_Progressive]

93. Yes, its the parents fault.

They should teach her how to handle the real world. Obviously they haven't, and she turned into a slut. 100% parents fault. Period.

[seabeyond]

107. is there something WRONG with being a slut. surely you are not slurring her for her

sexual freedom. surely you dont have an issue with a slut. ahhhhhhhm.

[CT_Progressive]

114. Of course I have an issue with it.

I have an issue with anyone that is not sexually responsible. It causes the spread of disease, increases the rate of abortions, and increases the rate of children in foster care!!

How can you NOT have an issue with all of that?

If the girl was responsible and used birth control, then she would not be in the situation you described. And in order to have been that responsible, she would have had to learn that from HER PARENTS.

[seabeyond]

115. she isnt a slut for fucking the three guys, but she is cause she wasnt on the pill

bah hahahahahah

[CT_Progressive]

116. A slut is anyone who treats sex irresponsibly just to have sex

The pill, condom, diaphragm - I don't care what she uses.

The parents are clearly at fault here, no question about it.

[seabeyond]

117. you are funny. you are dancin fast here. n/t

[Atman]

121. Ironically, if "she" was a guy doing all that bangin' he'd just be a stud.

This is the year 2007, right? My have far we haven't come!

.

[seabeyond]

143. there are slut men too. my brother is one. i often call him that and he readily agrees

with out making excuses or justifying or validating, it is what it is. and i love him anyway... his choices. his path to walk. and he will deal with the repercussions, not me. the same with niece. again, i understand why she is as she is. i watched a lifetime for her to be exactly where she is. and again, hers to do, and i love her unconditionally. now graNTED THE dictionary defines slut as a whorish woman, but i am an equal gender kinda gal.

[seabeyond]

158. i am an equal gender kinda gal..... that is the progressive fem

i dont have to "pretend" there are not sluts, i just know they can be equally men and women. lol lol

[Lurking Dem]

66. For some reason

this brought to mind a comment my son overheard from students coming out of life drawing class at his art school:

If I have to draw another fat, naked guy holding a sword I will kill myself.

Heh.

My son grew up in a house with nude art on the walls (Sorayama and Olivia, mostly) and a mother who frequently posed for nude art photographers. It doesn't seem to have harmed him any and he is very respectful of women.

Except for mall rats. He has little tolerance for the brain dead no matter what gender they are.

[seabeyond]

69. it isnt naked bodies. it never has been.

IF you allowed your son to be raised he in the porn sites, i bet a hundred to one he would not have respect for the respect for females. two totally different mentalities and attitudes toward women.

[Lurking Dem]

75. Many people consider

Both Sorayama and Olivia to be "porn".

He has met any number of adult film industry friends (kink), a stripper and I used to pick him up from school on occasion, and he is well aware of many of the things I have done in the industry.

He got in trouble once (he was about 14) for accessing porn sites on his computer. They were pay sites and I told him there was plenty of free stuff out there so cut it out. And I made him pay the bill.

You think you know what you are talking about but it is all based on broad brushed assumptions that denigrate women who have chosen to do what they do, denigrate men, apparently for having neurons, and espouse that women like me should not expect any respect because we are undeserving of it.

[ShaneGR]

164. I think the reality of parenting is talking...

If you spend enough time talking to your kids, it doesn't matter what they see. Just my 2 cents.

[Lurking Dem]

165. Not a bad 2 cents.

My son was amazed when he went to college (at 16) and heard all the tales of woe from the other kids about their folks. He hadn't realized before that our close relationship would be something of a source of envy for many of his friends.

[Breeze54]

72. I was kidding about the South West Airline comments but

thanks for your history! ;) Interesting.

I wasn't even allowed to wear a two piece bathing suit,

let alone wear a bathing suit in class!!

The nuns would have had a heart attack!! :rofl:

[Lorien]

83. I used to teach a life drawing class where I hired nude models

I suspect that whether or not a person would see those models as "degrading" themselves for money would largely depend on whether or not they thought they were attractive. Some people are simply comfortable with their bodies, others (like the woman in the story) are proud of them because they've worked hard to develop them. I see nothing wrong with either attitude.

[slackmaster]

61. Good for her, she's smoking hot and I hope she makes a bunch of money

:toast:

[MindPilot]

84. Slack you are SO disrespectful!! Avert your eyes!!

Acknowledging a woman's sexuality is misogynist. You are an evil, dirty pig of a man who is probably going to become a serial rapist as a result of seeing those pictures.

[slackmaster]

90. CAN'T... ...HELP... ...MYSELF!

:nuke:

[Warren DeMontague]

104. She's okay. Not my type, but she's certainly attractive. I wish her well.

Good for her.

[Ezlivin]

65. I guess that's one way to move from Economy to First Class

But I'm still telling my wife to simply accrue frequent flier miles.

[panzerfaust]

79. good for her

[walldude]

102. No pictures?

Damn.. I thought there would be naked chicks in here... back to politics.

[Atman]

108. #52

Not exactly naked...didn't want to break the rules.

:hi:

.

[walldude]

111. I appreciate the gesture but all I get is this:

This site is blocked by the SonicWALL Content Filter Service. If you wish to access this website, please contact Centre Events or Ice Hogs management.

URL:

Reason for restriction: Forbidden Category "Pornography"

There is a little red diamond where your picture should be and when I right click it I get that message. You purveyor of pornography you.

On edit. I figured it out, I'm using public access internet today and I guess it automatically blocks playboy content.

[Warren DeMontague]

105. Good for her. It's nice that there are people who aren't ashamed of their bodies and uptight around

nudity and sex.

Goddess knows the planet is lousy with the folks who are.

It's her body, if she wants to pose nude and get paid for it, more power to 'er.

[Catherine Vincent]

106. Isn't that a Paula Jones move? nt

[Junkdrawer]

109. Yeah, and I heard she endorsed Ron Paul too....

and he claims he's a family man...sheesh...

[Atman]

110. Just so she doesn't endorse Ron Jeremy

Hedgehog for President.

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[BuddhaGirl]

113. this female says good for her!

It's her body and she can pose nude if she wants to!

[piesRsquare]

152. What a surprise...NOT

These are pictures from her MySpace page. Apparently, some more risque ones were taken down immediately following her boot from the airplane:







Getting kicked off that flight was the best thing that ever happened to her. She knew it and worked it. It was her big break. She said she had dreamed of modeling for Playboy ever since she was 18. Word has it she was paid close to six figures for the shoot.

The whole thing makes me sick. She pretended to be a "poor, innocent college girl" humiliated by those mean, mean flight attendants, pretended to be "standing up" for some non-existent ideal (i.e. regarding a dress code on the plane) when all she was doing was using the news networks as free publicity for herself. THAT'S what makes me sick.

She got what she wanted by lying, by feigning humiliation and concern for people's rights. That behavior disgusts me. Because now, people who are SINCERELY concerned about the public's interest and the rights of their fellow citizens will be dismissed as being money-grubbing, self-promoting opportunists who are looking for a payday. This woman could have paid to do a shoot with a professional photographer and submitted her portfolio to Playboy. Instead, she got what she wanted at the expense of future whistleblowers who are sincere.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

179. Nice sleuthing ... she played everyone.

What kills me is that she's such a cliche -- the bleached hair with extensions, white trash nails, spray-on tan. Bo-ring. Wonder how this story would have played out if it weren't starring Barbie?

Not to sound like Archie Bunker, but why is nothing left to the imagination anymore? What are those pics of -- a drunken lingerie party to celebrate the birth of Christ? Merry Christmas, Jesus, now pass the PBR! ;-) Is there any mystery or seduction any more? -- it seems to be ALL out there. And in true narcissistic fashion, posted to MySpace...

[Name removed]

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[Katherine Brengle]

181. Who cares?