Carville and Gergen are taking turns kissing Hillary's Ass

[JackORoses]

This is disgusting,
and CNN should be ashamed for claiming to provide a balanced view of the candidates.

[itsrobert]

1. What do you expect from Time Warner?

More of the same.

[emilyg]

2. What's your problem. Sen. Clinton did great/

[JackORoses]

7. if great means Treading Water

She didn't answer a single question directly.

She would immediately take the dialogue in a different direction, giving very generalized answers.

Even when the older woman specifically asked for an answer that wasn't vague, she was unable to comply.

[Yupster]

43. She did do fine

but having two of the three commentators being former employees of her husband seemed a bit much to me too.

[LakeSamish706]

3. So with an unbiased question... Who do you support? n/t

[Swamp Rat]

4. They better watch out! Carville has really sharp teeth and very bad breath!

:puke:





Oh, and Gergen is an undercover neocon reptile.

[rodeodance]

8. after the last 2 weeks of bashing her, she deserves credit for doing well

[JackORoses]

10. what is it that she did well, exactly?

[MonkeyFunk]

11. She presented herself

as smart, educated, presidential and strong.

[earthlover]

15. Hate to break it to ya, but THAT IS NOT ENOUGH!

ALL of the candidates were smart, educated, presidential and strong.

How did Hillary do beter than the rest?

All I heard were skillfully delivered sound bites and prepared speeches.

She did not answer the questions directly, she basically put them into her play book.

Who knows, maybe she won the debate. But how she did it leaves a hunger for substance.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. That's not enough?

sorry, but coming across as smart, educated, presidential and strong is pretty much all of it.

Some presidents get elected with only two or three of those things - all four is a good thing.

[JackORoses]

21. Coming across as something and being something are two wholly different things

Don't you know that?

[MonkeyFunk]

24. We're talking about how to win..

And coming across as smart, educated, presidential and strong is a good way to do it.

You're free to have your opinion on Clinton, but to deny that she did well tonight is just willful blindness.

[JackORoses]

40. there is also a difference between doing well and not shooting yourself in the foot

I guess there is no harm in praising her for not damaging her campaign further.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. she did far better than "do no damage"

She helped herself quite a bit.

I know it's hard to admit for a hater, but she did very well tonight. I know many people wish she'd have failed, but she didn't.

[Yupster]

44. She doesn't have to do better than the rest

She's got a huge lead, all the money she wants and the best organizers in every state.

All she has to do is not fall on her face and run out the clock and she will glide in with an easy nomination, and probably a general election victory too.

I wouldn't expect to hear much from her. There's no reason for her to take chances or take stands. She's way, way ahead.

[JackORoses]

19. She is excellent at presenting an Image...a great Actor

But her answers are hollow, without substance

She is such a politician, that she can't take a stand on anything.

She had to get the Gov of NY to drop his license program just so she could save face.

She can sell the Snake Oil,
only problem is that it doesn't help anyone get better

[MonkeyFunk]

26. That's your opinion.

Which losing candidate do you support?

[Swamp Rat]

16. I did not watch because I HATE WOLF BLITZER!

From what I have read on DU so far, the 'liberal Dems' here say she lost and the 'conservative Dems' say she won.

I am just going to assume that Dennis Kucinich did the best because: he gave straightforward, hard hitting answers (I assume) to the very few questions he was asked by the bias moderators (I also assume).

[JackORoses]

23. you are correct, sir...Dennis did great

It is a crying shame that he doesn't get a better shot.

He is an Honest Man with more Integrity in his pinky than Hillary has in her whole body.

[Octafish]

25. ¡Oyga!

Heard Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. speak the other day in Detroit at Wayne State University.
He called George W Bush "that sonofabitch" and said the guy was a crook,
turning over the government to the lobbyists and gangsters who've emptied our Treasury,
polluted our water, land, air and children,
and used humanity as cannon fodder and slave labor.
He also pegged ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutwork for what they are.
Brother, I would've taken notes, but I wanted to hear everything the guy said.

[Swamp Rat]

27. ¡Órale compay!

I'd vote for RFK Jr in a nanosecond. I wish I could meet him in person someday.

¿Todo bien? :hi:

[Octafish]

31. Tambien, bro-dehr.

He mentioned that he planned to run for the Senate seat until Hillary Clinton entered the race.

If she becomes president, he again would consider running for the seat.

He also said he was friends with Clinton and would support her.

What got his endorsement was someone in the audience asked him about the current crop of Dems and the environment.

Kennedy said Edwards was good and Obama had a nice record, but they were all excellent compared to the pukes -- none of whom had done squat for even clean air.

What made me deel good, though, was the guy instilled IT in the audience.

In fact, Kennedy lifted more than 43 years of bad feelings from my shoulders. We have hope Hermano.

PS: Must say, Swamp Rat, your art is getting incredibly excellent these days. That Nixon...

Acqua, to'l mundo bien. Y con Ustedes, Don?

[Swamp Rat]

32. Buenas noticias

I wish I was there, and I really hope he runs for Hillary's seat, even if she loses her bid for the WH.

Estoy más o menos. Já estoy desempleado, pero estoy tratando completer dos más diplomas en la universidad aquí. Espero que encontraré un emprego en el futuro.

Here's a new one I made today, if you haven't seen it already: :D

[Octafish]

35. ¡Palante! ¡Y no paramos, Herman'!

That one is beautiful, done in a fantastic shade of Rush Blew. Your work makes clear: They still haven't invented the medicine that fakes sincerity. Beautiful and remarkable.



V'en a Detroit. Estan inventando batterias y mas porqueria para los carritos. Claro, siempre necessitan mas cerebros.

[Swamp Rat]

37. Verdad?

Pilas para coches? Muy intersante!

Ahora estoy estudiando wave theory y computadores, tratando obtener otras diplomas graduas en sciencias. Creo que voy a graduar en breve (maestro de sciencas) e estoy en un programa gradua, también de sciencias.... pero después... ;)

another new one from today: :D

[Cha]

34. RFK is telling it like it is..

Worse than a crook..a mass homicidal maniac sanctioned by the US corporatemediawhores.

I can't figure our why he would endore hillary, though?

How do get an upside down surprise mark on your keyboard? :)

[Octafish]

36. It was a great day in my life, zidzi.

I am a different person. He made me feel good about the future -- there are many, many good people working to change things for the better.

Bobby Kennedy did not give the crazy monkey one inch. The law professor was pretty damn rough on the media, too.

Brought up a lot of what we discuss here on DU.

He said he's friends with Hillary. He also said nice things about his cousin, deh guffen-or off Kalee-forn-ya. So, who knows...?

The surprise thing on my Apple:

OPTION + 1 (which has the ! on it) results in ¡ .

On my PC, it's a matter of opening up Word and grabbing the thing from the "Symbol" box.

[Cha]

38. I'm so happy for you, Octafish!

RFK is the best..we're fortunate to have him.

Thanks for the info on the Spanish surprise marks. I always thought that was neat the way they write like that.

[Generic Brad]

13. That's what the front runner gets for not hiring him - incessant criticism

But on the upside, they also avoid the direct pipeline to the GOP through Mary Matilin.

[MonkeyFunk]

46. Wow! You turned somebody green!

How unlike you!

[ddeclue]

5. And according to them it tastes like roses...

:rofl:

[Individualist]

6. CNN: Conservative News Network

[JackORoses]

9. Presidential debates should be put on by a Government Agency

It's bullshit to just hand them over to the Media Overlords and let them bend everything to their purposes.

[Cha]

12. Yes, it is bullshite and Insane...only in

21st century America.

[earthlover]

17. What ever happened to the League of Women Voters Debates?

The "moderator" of this debate, and I use this term loosely, was pathetic. He was so biased it was pathetic. What was even worse, when people from the crowd had a question, he redirected them to a totally different question, and asked the candidates the other question. Actually, he was not the only one to do that.

This was the wierdest debate!

[KoKo]

20. You are thinking the Pentagon, DHS or exactly which Govt. Agency!

:scared:

[JackORoses]

28. I'm just saying they should be publicly funded and aired on C-Span or the like

Somewhere the coverage will be a little more even,
and not wholly directed towards creating controversy to generate ratings.

I mean, seriously,
the first several questions were all about getting a good fight going between Hill, Obama, and Edwards.

[mod mom]

39. With the * Administration it's the same (think of the DoJ-extension of the RNC)

[mod mom]

14. I turned off CNN when I heard he was on. Carville is a party traitor:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)
By M.J. Rosenberg | bio

?On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

IF HE WOULDN'T HAVE PASSED THIS INFORMATION, HRC WOULDN'T HAVE HAD HER CHANCE THIS YEAR, BUT THE NATION WOULD HAVE HAD A DEM PRESIDENT INSTEAD OF THE HAVOC OF 4 MORE YEARS OF *

[earthlover]

22. I was amazed at how PEDESTRIAN the pundits were....

I didn't hear anything from then that I wouldn't expect to hear from someone on the street who hadn't read the news in a month.

They just seemed so clueless.

And they are the ones millions listen to as authorities?

Under. Whelming.

[ConsAreLiars]

29. Corporate whores whoring for one of their own. Let's hear it for Team Spirit!

Gergen is the quintessential voice of the powers that be. If anyone wonders what Big Money is saying, he is their mouth. As for Carville, he would whore for whoever pays best.

[Bitwit1234]

30. Good Lord have mercy I will send them an email to let Obama

have the whole debate while the rest bow to him.

[JackORoses]

33. who said anything about Obama?

Hillary thinks because she is 'in the lead' that she can just go into a holding pattern, answer nothing, and cruise to the nomination.

She is incorrect.

[emilyg]

41. Perhaps you are incorrect. Just a thought.

[Pachamama]

45. How can having two people associated and pro-Hillary be a balanced view?

I turned the TV off when I saw that was their panel....it was just a continuation of the Hillary show...