Terror crackdown: Passengers forced to answer 53 questions BEFORE they travel

[TomInTib]

This is pretty stiff stuff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=493912&in_page_id=1770&ito=1490

Travellers face price hikes and confusion after the Government unveiled plans to take up to 53 pieces of information from anyone entering or leaving Britain.

For every journey, security officials will want credit card details, holiday contact numbers, travel plans, email addresses, car numbers and even any previous missed flights.

The information, taken when a ticket is bought, will be shared among police, customs, immigration and the security services for at least 24 hours before a journey is due to take place.

Anybody about whom the authorities are dubious can be turned away when they arrive at the airport or station with their baggage.

Those with outstanding court fines, such as a speeding penalty, could also be barred from leaving the country, even if they pose no security risk.
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The scheme will apply to every way of leaving the country, whether by ferry, plane, or small aircraft. It would apply to a family having a day out in France by Eurotunnel, and even to a yachtsman leaving British waters during the day and returning to shore.

much more (including questionnaire) at link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=493912&in_page_id=1770&ito=1490

[Der Blaue Engel]

1. Fascism is creeping through the formerly civilized world

And it seems to be picking up speed.

:scared:

[babylonsister]

2. I honestly don't see any country being able to do this. The

logistics of gathering this info are mind-boggling.

[TomInTib]

3. Agreed. But the mere fact that UK is planning it is downright disturbing.

And once Raytheon gets its teeth into it, the program will never go away.

[northzax]

6. the UK has a noted advantage here

that, as an island, it can control entry and exit much more easily. unless you own a plane or a boat, you can't really leave the UK without the permission of someone to carry you. and if the law says all tickets muct be bought at least 48 hours in advance...

[Richard D]

4. I'm sorry but this is . . .

scary.

[kelligesq]

5. England can kiss tourism goodbye. People didnt want to fly into Heathrow

before because of what has occurred in England,
now can you imagine!

[tabatha]

7. sounds like old apartheid era flying to south africa n/t

[DCKit]

8. I don't think the Brits are going to stand for it. This is just too damn offensive to any free state

Brown's blown it.

[warren pease]

9. Look what they've swallowed already...

More surveillance cameras per capita than anywhere else on earth. Massive police presence just about anywhere in the business districts of London. Thugs patrolling the tube. The place looks like a scene from "A Clockwork Orange." All this and more excused by 7/7/05.

And look what Americans have swallowed because "9/11 changed everything." The very fact that there's a cabinet-level agency called the Department of Homeland Security should send any thinking person to their local gun dealer. The TSA shitheels make you do a striptease just to board a plane, and if the normal scan is inconclusive, they get to feel you up until their hands shake and their breathing gets ragged. There's a bill called H.R. 1955 that the House passed 404 to 6 which would criminalize dissent as "homegrown terrorism." Cops are killing people with guns, tasers, choke holds, billy clubs and anything else they can get their slimy hands on, then getting off with, at most, a reprimand and a week off with full pay. Private paramilitary forces are beyond the law and can seemingly kill at will without consequences. Presidential directives let Bush declare himself the supreme guardian of the Constitution and the executive branch the sole guarantor of governmental continuity. Executive orders allow the federal government to steal your assets if you disagree with Bush policy -- such as it is -- regarding Iraq or Lebanon.

And we're not even counting stolen elections, the 9/11 con job, the patriot acts and military commissions act, crony regulatory agency appointments, legislation written by lobbyists, domestic spying, illegal invasions, dead civilians, dead US troops, dead ecosystems, a dying economy and lie after lie after lie.

So that's what we'll apparently swallow, although there's certainly more slop coming up and we'll no doubt feast on that as well. Compared to us, the UK looks like a bastion of individual freedom and tolerance.


wp

[backscatter712]

10. Too bad Britain doesn't have a Second Amendment

They've already lost their guns. Pity, since they, like us, may soon need them...

[mark414]

11. the British government does what the US government wishes it could

folks here in the US would be wise to pay attention to what's going on in the UK...cause it will be here next

[earth mom]

12. The British need to watch V for Vendetta.

And so do we. :scared:

[flyarm]

13. New World Order...eom

[Quantess]

14. But does it even work?

All the studies have shown that anyone who seriously wants to terrorize-by-plane can probably manage to do so.

[rodeodance]

15. using Nat security for other purposes --nothing new!!

......Those with outstanding court fines, such as a speeding penalty, could also be barred from leaving the country, even if they pose no security risk.
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The scheme will apply to every way of leaving the country, whether by ferry, plane, or small aircraft. It would apply to a family having a day out in France by Eurotunnel, and even to a yachtsman leaving British waters during the day and returning to shore.

[rodeodance]

16. whow

[benEzra]

17. This is public safety poster from the London authorities...

...which is about as Orwellian a message as I can think of.

[Karenina]

19. Is that actually posted around the city?

Or are you just joshing me??? :scared::wow::scared:

[benEzra]

21. No, not a joke...

No, not a joke...unfortunately...

London's Privacy Falling Down

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2002/11/56152



Attention Londoners: Big Bobby is watching.

That's the message of posters plastered along London's bus routes earlier this week to assuage riders' crime fears.

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The posters are part of a larger campaign to make London buses safer for riders, a spokeswoman for the Transport For London said. City officials are also installing video cameras on the city's entire fleet of buses, which log 4 million trips a day.

According to the transportation agency's website, the CCTV rollout "not only protects drivers and conductors, but (it) also plays a major role in keeping passengers secure. It provides evidence in the event of an incident and acts as a deterrent to likely offenders."

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But while the government insists CCTV has reduced crime, critics say the technology has merely displaced crime to areas without cameras and that the mechanical eyes -- which are frequently disguised -- are easily evaded by wearing baseball caps or other headgear.

"There is a mentality that everyone is potentially a criminal," said Davies. "I resent the idea that I should be subjected to the scrutiny of invisible cameras just to satisfy someone's crazed idea of that way society is."

[Karenina]

22. EEEEEEKKK!!!!

:hide:

[Trillo]

18. This seems like an onion page,

but it's not.

I've actually seen this many times before (in the U.S. news), floating absolutely outrageous proposals in order to create a feeling of relief when something restrictive but much milder is actually enacted. People then say, "Phew" as they wipe their forehead, "it could have been so much worse."

I'm saying it reeks of propaganda to condition and control the populace.

[symbolman]

20. Beware those people screwed down too tight

pressure has to give somewhere...

You can't go to France because you have a fucking Traffic ticket? So fucking what? I mean WHY must that Be? What purpose does it serve other than to Ruin lives? What if someone had a potential money paying gig there in order to PAY the goddamned ticket?

This is like the Draconian laws passed to kill off beat dead dads, no license, not even a fishing license, so the poor bastard doomed to live in his truck because a house was taken away, so he can't even catch a fish to FEED himself... Can't be a licensed plumber, doctor, etc if he owes support so he can PAY the support and HELP his kids..

The SLACK is gone folks, and Slack is really what makes us fucking Human Beings..

I'm about ready to pioneer another damn planet, this one is starting to SMELL..

Time to Boycott Corporate Facism with our dollars...