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undercutter2006 (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:12 PM Original message |
Hiroshima Bomber Unrepentant till Death |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. He's not a flip-flopper. You know where he stands on the issues. |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. He had nothing to repent...PERIOD! |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
170. Well said! |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. The responsibility for that rests on the shoulders of all Americans at the time |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. It rest on first....the Japanese themselves if they hadn't sneak attacked |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. That's a very dangerous way to think. Responsibility for a deed |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
185. Actually it is not |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. The death of Hiroshima saved the lives of the thousands of |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. American lives are good, Japanese lives are bad? |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Wallowing in guilt over decisions made......... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
82. The winner of a war has the prerogative of defining who was right and who was wrong |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
88. Ummm, Japan was the aggressor. We are not obliged to sacrifice our lives |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
118. Seems like we sacrificed quite a few lives |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. The "evidence" in that regard is totally full of holes and not credible |
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INDIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. hahahahahah...oh wait, you're serious. n/t |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #118 |
171. All you have to do is prove that alllegation. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
123. It also saved the lives of hundreds of thousands if not milions of Japanese. |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
125. Nope, not at all. A-bombs and firebombing aren't criminal, they're war. And generally, you value |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
126. When it's YOUR life that was saved |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #26 |
176. Millions of Japanese lives were saved as well |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
28. I get it. 100,000+ innocent Japanese civilians are vaporised so your grandfather can live, maybe? |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Read my post, please! |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
66. I was never going to try, until you mentioned it, |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
78. Blah, blah, blippity, blah................... |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
119. Case and point. |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. I hope you are enjoying the guilt trip you're giving YOURSELF! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #121 |
134. Deleted message |
LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #28 |
79. Any country at war will do anything and everything it can do... |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
120. I understand that, it's the American exceptionalism I object to. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
89. So the Japanese were "innocent", but US GIs were not? What is the basis of this assertion? nt |
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SyntaxError (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. When you're an invading army entering another countries land, then you're not innocent. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. So Japan became "innocent" by losing the war? What a bizarre POV. nt |
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SyntaxError (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. That isn't what I said. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. That is revisionist at best. Japan was an imperialist power that committed genocide |
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SyntaxError (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Alright fine then. Killing Japanse is ok because they're all evil. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. LOL. When your argument fails, just mischaracterize your opponents! |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
136. That seems to be the position for some people here. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. It's simplistic to the point of absurdity.... |
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springhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. No, the civilians are innocent.............. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. By the same token, consrcipted US soldiers are also "innocent" |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. They were a de-facto militia. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #103 |
153. Civilians |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #89 |
133. Read my post. You obviosuly didn't the first time. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #133 |
154. No one deserves to die |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #154 |
161. The same way good American patriots build cluster bombs? |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #161 |
172. Yes |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #133 |
179. It is grotesque of you to proclaim some HUMAN BEINGS expendable, and others not... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
114. people should be VERY cautious when starting fights |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #114 |
139. Be sure to let me know when that happens, ok? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #139 |
142. in the Middle East presently, WE started the fight |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #142 |
146. Fair point. I apologise. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #146 |
149. And Australia remained assiduously neutral in WWII . . . |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #149 |
182. I love this. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. I never said the Australians didn't win a battle |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. No, you simply assumed it was the American presence that saved Australia |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-16-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #182 |
188. Not to mention |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
143. Without the use of the A-bombs, the war would have dragged on and on... |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #28 |
152. From my point of view |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
177. Yes, that's exactly right. |
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Lord Wortherington (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
90. Because your soul is the most precious in the space time continuum |
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SyntaxError (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
93. Wrong. If the US didn't put economic sanctions on Japan, then millions would have been saved. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
111. but at the cost of many millions more mainland Asians... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
186. Those 'desperate' steps were not nearly as necessary as you've been told. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. Unrpentant .... or haunted? |
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undercutter2006 (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. bm |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. He did his duty. |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Another genocidal maniac bites the dust. Good riddance. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. It is estimated that an invasion of Japan would of killed over a million Japanese. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. It is demonstrated that Japan was seeking an "honorable" surrender four months before Hiroshima. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. The only peace feelers sent out involved |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. If they didn't want The Bomb dropped on them |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Are you seriously arguing the only choice was to obliterate 400,000 civilians? |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. No, we could have invaded with land forces |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. There was no need to invade Japan. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Which we were completely unaware of at the time, |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. The U.S. military, not to mention a HS economics teacher, knew how few resources Japan had left. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "Few resources" does not equal "unconditional surrender." |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Pearl Harbor does not equal Hiroshima. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I wouldn't justify one with the other. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Good, then you're an exception. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. I agree they were. I also believe |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #50 |
86. I think you give the U.S. military command structure |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
81. Okinawa was a mere presage to the defenses of Japan at that very time |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Prime Minister Suzuki's statement on Potsdam: |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. April 7, 1945: Suzuki formed a new cabinet to try to end the war. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Japan wanted Soviet support so it could keep its military power. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Read about the Yalta conference. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
80. I've come across this claim quite often recently... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #80 |
138. The Atomic Bomb: The Great Decision, Holt, Rinehart and Winston |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
155. Surrender |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Deliberately bombing civilians is GENOCIDE. Look it up. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. It was a genocide to prevent a holocaust. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #33 |
62. Paul Tibbets is the Rosa Parks of nuking civilians. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
45. That's simply untrue. It's a war crime, but not genocide. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
48. uh... Wrong. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
83. Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group" |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. But the Japanes slaughtering twenty million Chinese is what? |
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rudeboy666 (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Evading the question |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #25 |
156. On If |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. It's genocide and a war crime too. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
77. We didn't drop the bombs to save China. So that argument is specious. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. No, the specious argument is an attempt to isolate the bombing from its historical context. nt |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #87 |
163. We've got plenty of "arm-chair warriors" in the WH now. Do you think the "context" |
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Wilber_Stool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
99. I'm glad I read this far |
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springhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Who? |
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Wilber_Stool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #104 |
174. The Japaniese |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #99 |
164. So it was a justified quid pro quo, our A-bombing Japanese civilians? |
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Wilber_Stool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #164 |
175. Yes, people have value. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
187. So what does that say about the US, which is currently waging aggressive war |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Well, a lot of DUers don't believe that sort of thing. |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
23. I guess you don't really know what the alternatives were |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. And that wouldn't have been a warcrime or genocidal???? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Erm, they didn't just want to "keep the Emporer." They wanted the military! |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Well MacArthur let them keep the Emperor anyway which was the sticking point. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That was only part of it. |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #38 |
70. Sorry but on the last point |
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springhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
107. Who Disagreed with the atomic bombing? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #107 |
181. The Problem With All Of This, Ma'am |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
57. I have yet to ever hear the Japanese apologize for Pearl Harbor |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. My God, I would hate to have been in his shoes. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I walked through the Hiroshima "Peace Park", for the first time in 1970. |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. I've been there too. I cried hard. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. 1983 for me, |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
98. Did you visit the shrine built in Japan to commemorate the victims of the Rape of Nanking, too? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
130. I have been to the Rape of Nanking memorial in Nanjing. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
166. It's what WE did, NOT what the Japanese believed about their emperor, or did to the Chinese, |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. What human could unequivocally accept that kind of blame without going insane? |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
112. Some on the mission did go insane after they saw what they had done, n/t |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Also no one knew what that bomb could actually do, not the immense scope. |
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XOKCowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. He had no reason to repent... |
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rudeboy666 (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. He did what he had to do |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. That's probably the point |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Bullshit. |
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rudeboy666 (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Torture: justified if it saves lives? |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
68. How is that bullshit? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
47. I still think it was dropped mainly to keep Russia from invading. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. More to the point it was the Soviet Union's declaration of war on August 8 |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Yup, that's been my thinking. n/t |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
49. That is the evil man who said "there is no morality in war" nm |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Do you believe there is morality in a total war? |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. We never hear about the guy that dropped the other one on |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. He felt the same way. |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Morality exists. When and where MEN choose to abide by the |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. High words, but useless ones. |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. There is no morality in war, morality exists in people. If people |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
116. So there is a "moral" way to impel 18 y.o.s to slaughter one another? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #49 |
73. The "morality" in war you believe in only showed up AFTER- oddly enough- |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. bomb building...also immoral IMO nm |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
131. The atom bomb ended the concept of total war. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #131 |
168. Or it raised the concept of total war to a new level |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
69. So...? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
72. He had nothing to repent... |
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springhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
105. He did it well.......... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #105 |
115. His job was to deliver the bomb |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
75. All I will say, is Karma's a beo-yotch |
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INDIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #75 |
160. Quick! Everbody rewrite history to make America look EVIL! |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #160 |
178. Sorry but in my mind, there is NEVER any excuse to use a |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
76. "let a million more people die"~~~So, the government then was so perspicacious, not to mention |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #76 |
148. Both cities were classified as military targets. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #148 |
162. Bus stops. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
84. Has Japan even officiallly acknowledged the Rape of Nanking? |
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Lord Wortherington (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Morality is about holding oneself to a standard |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. "Take up the White Man's burden..." |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 04:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
150. I've read a couple of American-in-Japan blogs on that issue.... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #150 |
180. Which is why we must not allow the Japanese to characterize themselves as the victims of WWII. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
85. He was right about the attitude of the United States in those years |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
94. Dropping the bomb off the coast as a display of power would not satisfy the blood thirst |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. Given that they did not surrender even after the first bomb was dropped |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #108 |
140. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria on August 8th, a nonnuclear show of force, ended the war. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
117. surrender was a possibility discussed, it was also a possibility rejected... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
122. When you start a war, you do not get a say in how it ends. |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
127. I'd Wager That A Number Of You Are Alive Today..... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #127 |
137. I don't need to bet. It's certain there would be millions of Japanese alive now but for the bomb. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
129. Reap what you so. It goes both ways. Instant karma. Live by the sword. Roosters come home to roost. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #129 |
135. Yes, Buddhism is responsible. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. Ore no itteiru koto wo sappari wakaranai. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Beati pacifici. |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
132. Even IF bombing was necessary, I still don't understand why we had to use |
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Noonecares (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #132 |
145. They tried that before |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
147. I am glad I am not him. Jesus, To drop a bomb on all those innocent children, How could anyone |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
151. 2007 people cannot moralize on 1945 people. It was a different time and place |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #151 |
158. Bravo |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #151 |
159. Would you say the same thing about slavery? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Most peoples' support of slavery was based on ignorance |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #151 |
167. It is, in fact, precisely what historians do. "Time travel" is a straw man, but JUDGMENT is NOT. |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
157. Tibbets had no reason to repent - |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
169. Two essays on this topic, one an interview with a pre-eminent historian of Japanese history: |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #169 |
173. Excellent articles WinkyDink! Thanks! n/t |
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