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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:23 PM
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Sibel Edmonds Case: the untellable AIPAC Case, part 2.
In my recent post, " Sibel Edmonds Case: the untellable story of AIPAC," I made the case that the so-called 'AIPAC Case' - the trial of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman - is only the tip of the iceberg.

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds wants to tell us what she knows about various criminal and treasonous activities that she became aware of that involve high level US officials, the embassies of Israel and Turkey, and lobbying groups associated with those two countries - primarily AIPAC and the American Turkish Council.

In this post, I want to discuss a few extra items that I didn't mention in my post last week.

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(cross-posted at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak)

In my previous post, I quoted from a September 2004 Washington Post article which stated:
"Reports on the (Larry Franklin) investigation have <strong>baffled</strong> foreign policy analysts and U.S. officials because the Bush administration and the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon already cooperate on intelligence matters and share policy views. "

As I've argued, the reason that these people might be 'baffled' is because the larger case (Sibel, AIPAC, ATC etc) is not about "simple state espionage," it's literally about criminal activities - including illegal weapons sales, the nuclear black market and money laundering - for personal enrichment. The case has nothing to do with 'Turkey' or 'Israel' - or even 'The Pentagon' or 'Neoconservatism.'

That 2004 Washington Post article - incidentally by Susan Schmidt and Robin Wright - had a lot of great reporting, much of it buried. The lede and the headline was that the 'AIPAC' investigation was "more than two years" old, and that Franklin was only a side-show. If you remember at the time, there was a lot of confusion (much of it intentional, apparently) about when the investigation began. The formulation later changed to something like '<strong>at least</strong> since 1999.' I don't know exactly when this particular 'Israeli' investigation began, but the 'Turkish' counter-intelligence operation, the investigation into Richard Perle and Douglas Feith, dates back to 1996. In fact, as discussed last week, it was Perle and Feith (and their associates at AIPAC and JINSA) who established the ATC in an attempt to create a legitimate cover for their activities when some external pressure forced the closure of their 'lobbying' company, International Advisors Inc.

Given that the 'Turkish' and the 'Israeli' counter-intelligence operation was essentially the same operation, targeting the same people, I suspect that the 'Israeli' operation also dates back to the same time frame.

Incidentally, I'm not sure what to make of media reports that the FBI was 'surprised' that they 'stumbled upon' Larry Franklin's involvement in the AIPAC case. Franklin was a regular feature at the ATC, long before his first 'overt act' in the AIPAC indictment in 2002.


The Washington Post article then states:
"The FBI is examining whether highly classified material from the National Security Agency, which conducts electronic intercepts of communications, was also forwarded to Israel"


That sentence is carefully constructed, but a possible alternative construction might read something like "The NSA has been infiltrated by foreign spies." As we know from Sibel's case, the FBI's translation unit was also infiltrated by spies - even though the spies were engaged in criminal espionage, not state-based espionage. Given what we know, it's certainly possible that the same is true for the infiltration of the NSA.

In fact, Sibel's boss at the FBI translation unit, a guy called Mike Feghali, was apparently complicit in the espionage that Sibel describes. Feghali is now head of the entire Arabic translation desk at the FBI. Feghali's wife works for the NSA as a translator, and she translated the 9/11 "Tomorrow is zero hour" intercepts.
More from the 2004 Washington Post article:
"National security adviser Condoleezza Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, were apprised of the FBI counterintelligence investigation of AIPAC as a possible conduit for information to Israel more than two years ago"


That is, after Rice and Hadley had been told that the FBI was investigating AIPAC for espionage (and probably also about the ‘ whole ball of wax), AIPAC was trying to place Franklin inside Rice's NSC so that their "israeli mole" (to quote CBS
) would be "by the elbow of the President." Did Rice and Hadley tell the FBI that they had been approached by Rosen about giving Franklin a job? Did they object? Was Franklin the only person that AIPAC tried to place at the NSC?

Of course, both Hadley and Rice (and many others involved in Sibel's case) have both been subpoenaed to appear in the Rosen/Weissman trial - apparently to argue that this was all business as usual. And, by all accounts, it apparently was - not in the sense that the USG regularly uses lobbyists and a compliant media as 'back-channels' to launder leaks, but because there's apparently an implicit agreement to 'tolerate' spies and traitors in high places - apparently because the only people who might be sufficiently powerful to do anything about it are also compromised.

Maybe that sounds a little hyperbolic, but consider everyone in the USG who knows the details about Sibel's case - her case has been confirmed repeatedly, denied by none, and yet no action is ever taken.

Youtube – Everybody Knows

Of course, it's difficult to understand all of the different reasons that everyone wants Sibel to just STFU. Some want her to shut up because they are complicit, others want her to shut up for CYA reasons. The important thing is that the collective silence is dangerous for all of us. As just one example, when Sibel reported that there were spies in the FBI and Pentagon who had tried to recruit her, the claims were investigated and found to be valid. The FBI responded that they wouldn't do anything about the existence of foreign spies in the FBI because

"Who knows how many more (spies) would fall out if they were to come and shake up the Dept?"


I know that many of you want to hear what Sibel has to say, even though you aren't familiar with all the details and think that she might be over-reaching in some of her claims. Fair enough. But we should support her anyway, and demand that she be given a forum, even if the only thing that she can prove is that the FBI translation bureau is riddled with spies and incompetent bureaucrats - and that the USG is gagging her because that would be embarrassing.

At a minimum, we can't afford for the FBI translation unit - which really is at the coal-face of any anti-terrorism effort, and at the forefront of any legitimate FISA/spying operation - to be run by any Heckuva Job Brownie.

Surely we can agree on that.

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Waxman can be contacted in DC: (202)225-3976 and LA:323 651-1040. The toll free Capitol switchboard number is 800-828-0498. See if you can shame him into doing something.

cross-posted at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak
( Email me if you want to be added to my Sibel email list. Subject: 'Sibel email list')

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:47 PM
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1. Bookmarked and recommended!
Thanks for all your great work, lukery. Sibel Edmonds is a real American hero.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:01 PM
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6. she sure is n/t
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:49 PM
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2. K&R
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:51 PM
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3. K & R
Thank you Lukery!
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tnlurker Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:00 PM
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4. I'll read this later
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:47 PM
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5. That Explains Why Everyone in DC Always Caves In to AIPAC — BLACKMAIL
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:16 PM
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7. K & R.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:40 PM
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8. K&R, at the very least the FBI may be riddled with so much corruption...

that it trips itself up when "conspiratorial" crimes are planned. Shouldn't we be listening to whistleblowers instead of gagging them in order to prevent the next 9-11? Not as long as the pro-war leaders are in control of government.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:05 PM
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9. Loved your "Everybody Knows" video
Very very clever. I was thinking of making a Sibel video as well. :D You're YouTube channel is a wealth of information.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:54 PM
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13. thnx
that video was a bit of a hit.

i'm sure you could do better tho, let me know what you come up with.
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:19 PM
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10. Jeezuz..page 2 already
K and R
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:35 PM
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11. K & R
Here is a great article backing Lukery's piece:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest20020823

Thank you Lukery!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:02 PM
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12. I'm amused by the distinction between corporate and state espionage. Don't we know
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 06:09 PM by Peace Patriot
by now that they are one and the same? I'm don't imagine THEY see it as espionage, or in any way out of line. Our governments, our constitutions, our laws, our taxes, our health, our lives, our children, much of our public infrastructure, our public airwaves, our military, and even our voting machines now belong to global corporate predators, war profiteers and the thieves and murderers, and weapons and drug traffickers, who run them, or shill for them in our government. Corporate R Us. Who are they stealing secrets FROM? Neither our government nor its secrets belong to us any more. WE are the enemy against whom the corporate state conspires--we, and any other people who have something they can steal--the oil beneath the ground, our pensions, the little wage increase that is now in Exxon-Mobile's pocket, forests, minerals, water supplies. And Israel is just as sick with corporatism and war profiteering as we are. And these two war profiteer-run states are canoodling. It's plainly obvious in the corporate state's--and its propaganda arm, the corporate media's--handling of both the AIPAC and the Sibel Edmonds cases, and also the Plame/Brewster-Jennings case. Treason is not treason if your loyalty is to global corporate predators, and not to a country and its people.

It's a useful distinction, as we try to hang onto the last vestiges of our sovereignty and to the rule of law that WE are loyal to. But we need to keep this radical fascist transformation of our government in mind, as we try to read its entrails, and seek out its weaknesses, and restore rightful rule.

"As I've argued, the reason that these people might be 'baffled' (by Bush-USA vs. Israel espionage) is because the larger case (Sibel, AIPAC, ATC etc) is not about 'simple state espionage,' it's literally about criminal activities - including illegal weapons sales, the nuclear black market and money laundering - for personal enrichment. The case has nothing to do with 'Turkey' or 'Israel' - or even 'The Pentagon' or 'Neoconservatism.'" --lukery

It's a very good point, and clears up a puzzle. Why would Israel bother to spy on the U.S. when it can walk in the front door and get anything it wants? But the same thing could be said of master thieves and criminals. The biggest ones, in any case, have total immunity. They ARE the same people who are running our government. Halliburton, Blackwater, Exxon-Mobile, the Carlyle Group, Chevron-Texaco, the World Bank, et al. These are the biggest murderers, torturers, thieves and brigands on planet earth. They ARE the government, which effectively does not exist any more. And the main reason they use secrecy is that part of their tactics is to maintain an ILLUSION of democracy among the American people, so they won't have to bother killing a lot of us, before they take our every last dime.

Another reason may be to evade the few patriots who still lurk in the Bushite halls of Washington DC--people like Sibel Edmonds, honest FBI agents, honest military officers--people who can't be bought, and who resist bullying and blackmail.

The fundamental criminality of this fascist coup is somewhat masked by the very fact of their having taken over our government. Their "news" monopolies can thus parade George Bush in front of us as a legitimate president. He may have power (whatever power they permit him to have), but he is not legitimate. Yet they constantly refer to him as the President of the United States. That twerp. He is no more President of the U.S. than you are or I am. He is a drugged up, stupid, talentless puppet--and his "presidency" is designed more to insult us than anything else.

There are, however, layers of criminality, from the biggest sharks down to the little mosquitoes, with a few of the lower rung thieves getting whacked, every once in a while, to make us think that there is still a justice system. I rather think it's the middle layer thieves that Sibel Edmonds got onto, from the hints that have been given about her knowledge--the kind of people that Dick Cheney and David Addington blackmail, and whom the Big Bushites probably chose for their corruptibility, and then let loose, letting them engage in what, to the likes of Cheney, is petty thievery, in order TO blackmail them, and keep them in line. (I'm sure that's some of what the domestic spying is about.) And by middle level, I'm thinking of people like Tom Delay and Dennis Hastert and "Duke" Cunningham. There are the "lesser" criminals who can be cut loose, when necessity arises--when it serves the purpose of the Grand Illusion--and there is the cabal at the top, which will never be held accountable.

It is a criminal enterprise--the most powerful and lethal criminal enterprise ever created. And this criminal enterprise IS the state. In the bigger picture--and in the unclouded picture, free of the illusions they spin--there is no distinction between them.

We shouldn't underestimate what is going on with our government, and expect that, if only Edmonds were ungagged, or the corporate news monopolies would get a conscience, we will be able to prosecute the big criminals of this junta, and restore democracy.

Neither should we lose hope, or our faith in democracy. It's all we have. And it's more than a lot of other people have, who have never known democracy. Faith that it CAN be restored. Faith in our people, who want it restored--who want their votes to be counted, who desperately want good government and honest leaders, and who have shown amazing resistance to the relentless warmongering and fascist propaganda that they have been subjected to. 70% now opposed to the war, and want it ended--a whopping, epochal anti-war majority--up from a significant majority of 56% before the war started. We actually have a lot to be hopeful about, in these dark times. They cannot destroy the democracy in our hearts.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:59 PM
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14. K&R! Thank you. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:27 PM
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15. lurkey is there anywhere else to view Kill the Messenger
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 09:28 PM by seemslikeadream
besides that "conspiracy site"?


Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:50 PM
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16. mizgin has a copy
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:51 PM
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18. Thank you so very much!!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:50 PM
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17. "israeli mole"
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161





Analyst Charged With Passing Iran Info: Franklin Turned Self InTo FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1444053
Fieth resigns from Pentagon today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1186412
Former CIA official looks to leak the truth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=886884
New Israeli spy probe has a 30-year history, insiders say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=852863
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161
FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725
Money from Iran Fuels Iraq Insurgency -Rumsfeld
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=810129
Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: ’Don’t arrest them!’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249
FBI probes DOD office (spy probe widens)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784155
F.B.I said to reach official suspected of passing secrets ....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=786361
Analyst Who Is Target of Probe Went to Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784792
Knight Ridder:FBI espionage probe goes beyond Israeli allegations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784274
Pentagon Analyst Was Cooperating When Israel Spy Case Became Public
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=786505
Iran-Contra II? Fresh scrutiny on rogue Pentagon operation -Josh Marshall
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=784906
AIPAC's Overt and Covert Ops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=788267
UK Express: (Perle) Faces (FBI) Quiz Over Links to Israeli Spy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=785131
Israel Says It Has No Need to Spy on U.S.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=787437
F.B.I. Is Said to Brief Pentagon Bosses on Spy Case; Charges Are Possible
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=788936
LAT: FBI Questions Israeli Lobbyists (AIPAC) in Spying Probe ((Gilon mentioned)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=789576
FBI briefs Wolfowitz on Israeli spy claim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=790076
F.B.I. Interviews 2 Suspected of Passing Secrets to Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=792950
FBI seizes computer from AIPAC offices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=791564
Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795432
Leak Probe More Than 2 Years Old (AIPAC)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795905
AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332
Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029
FBI Informed White House of AIPAC Probe Two Years Ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=797181
Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060
Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167
Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817
Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333
LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798631
Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801031
Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801678
A Web Of Intrigue Inside the Israel espionage investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803022
Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803035
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161
FBI probes possible Pentagon leak to Iraqi exiles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=805885
Reporters' Files Subpoenaed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=815381
Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:16 PM
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19. K & R n/t
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:11 PM
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20. invaluable summary
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:41 AM
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21. k & r but those acronyms are hard to take this late.
Can't you just spell them out one time. I know what they are because I looked them up, just makes for lazier reading I know, but... :shrug:
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:38 AM
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22. apologies
i presumed that everyone here would know what AIPAC was (or was there another one that i didnt spell out?)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:23 PM
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31. I know what AIPAC stands for, but not all readers that I advertise with my
bumper sticker daily do. Nope you didn't spell out any of em this time. :hug:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:20 AM
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23. Thanks Luke for continuing to fight the fight! Folks here should watch latest ACLU Freedom Files!
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 05:24 AM by calipendence
Here's another thread I started on it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2278213&mesg_id=2278213

Greenwald and guys at Brave New Films did a bang up job. This is the kind of piece that should be showing on Sixty Minutes if the MSM were doing its job like it might have in earlier days. I think it's the best episode of this series I've seen yet in terms of covering something very currently relevant with information and methods of covering it that is really not seen anywhere else today in television.

Though not directly connected with the AIPAC crimes that Luke is discussing here and the criminal enterprise that is pointed to by that that's in charge of our government here, I think showing this episode to people that might not be up on these topics can really help them appreciate the gravity of what's been going on with NSA Wiretapping, CIFA surveillance, and REALId usage implications, and how our security is all being threatened by trusting a government run by human beings that is prone to the failings of the rest of us (aka being corrupt and doing criminal things themselves). It does a great job of personalizing it that is hard to do with just written word.

I think if you show whoever watches this what Luke's been writing about with the AIPAC scandals and "Kill the Messenger" afterwards, it will go hand and hand for them to see not only the "possibility" of government doing bad things that is communicated well by the Freedom Files episode, but the liklihood that it is already happening with what's being discussed in this thread.

Not sure where you can watch it again. I'm guessing it will repeat again on Link TV sometime down the road, but this newer season it's difficult to time viewings as the new episodes only seem to be showing once or twice on Tuesday and no other times afterwards that week.

I did record it off onto DVD...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:25 AM
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24. Semi-legit groups and powerful connections.
-snip-

Operating tax-free and under the radar is one of the most powerful “non-profit” associations in the U.S., the American Turkish Council (ATC). Some who are familiar with its operations and players describe it as ‘Mini AIPAC;’ this description aces it. ATC followed the AIPAC model; with the direct help of AIPAC & JINSA, it created a base out of which to stretch its tentacles, reaching the highest echelons of our government. While the ATC is an association in name and in charter, the reality is that it and other affiliated associations are the U.S. government, lobbyists, foreign agents, and MIC. Investigative journalist, John Stanton, correctly describes the ATC as an extraordinary group of elite and interconnected Republicans, Democrats and corporate and military heavyweights who are spearheading one of the most ambitious strategic gambits in U.S. history.

-snip-

Included in ATC’s management, board of directors, and advisors; in addition to Turkish individuals of ‘interest;’ is a dizzying array of U.S. individuals. The ATC is led by Ret. General Brent Scowcroft, who serves as Chairman of the Board; George Perlman of Lockheed Martin, the Executive Vice President; other board members include: Former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, Ret. General Elmer Pendleton, Ret. General Joseph Ralston, Ret. Col. Preston Hughes, Alan Colegrove of Northrop Grumman, Frank Carlucci of Carlyle Group, Christine Vick of Cohen Group, Representative Robert Wexler, Former Rep. Ed Whitfield…Basically many formers; statesmen, ‘dime a dozen generals,’ and representatives.

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Stanton notes: ‘ATC is joined in the creation of the New EuroAsia by the American Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (AACC). AACC’s Honorary Council of Advisors just happens to have General Scowcroft and the following persons of significance: Henry Kissinger and James Baker III. Former Council members include Dick Cheney and Richard Armitage, and Board of Trustee members include media-overkill subject Richard Perle of AEI, and Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas.’

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http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Part2-FNL-Nov29-06.htm
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25. Daniel Pipes is a former ATC board member
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26. Daniel Pipes's family connections to our current
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 06:59 AM by mmonk
geopolitical policy goes back awhile (as does the policy).

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:03 AM
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27. Thank you for your threads. rec'd
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28. krnt thanks!
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29. But but but ISRAEL IS OUR FRIEND!!!1!1!
With friends like that, who needs enemies?

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