CNN vote

[warrior1]

http://www.cnn.com/

Are you willing to give up some of your privacy for national security?

Yes 40% 15788
No 60% 23768

[TechBear_Seattle]

1. Where is the option for, "Hell NO!"?

Benjamin Franklin said it best: "Those who would give up essential liberites for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[MNDemNY]

3. Wasn't that TJ?

[TechBear_Seattle]

4. Actually, we are both wrong

I checked with the Wikiquote page for Benjamin Franklin and found this:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither"
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"

[MNDemNY]

10. Thank you!

:hi:

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. My pleasure

In fact I liked the actual BF quote that I've made it my tag line. :toast:

[iamthebandfanman]

18. exactly what i thought too ;)

[DesertRat]

2. Done. Hell no

Yes 40% 16800
No 60% 24991

[lonestarnot]

5. Hell no still 60.

[NightWatcher]

6. who are these "yes" people

"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."

it will just make you a better peasant

[DesertRat]

14. Here's one from another DU post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2263469&mesg_id=2263633

[spanone]

7. There must be 'are you fucking kidding me' catagory

the question should read are you willing to give up MORE of you freedoms...

[madokie]

8. no 60% with 45513 total

[Renew Deal]

9. That 40% cannot be americans.

That's disturbing to me. If it's 40% on the internets, it's probably 60% in the real world. Something is severely wrong in this country.

[TechBear_Seattle]

13. Or else they are Freepers

I know, I know, I'm being redundant. :banghead:

[AllegroRondo]

11. No down to 59%

what is wrong with people?

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

15. how much privacy are these people willing to give up?

Are you willing to give up some of your privacy for national security?
Yes 41% 22117
No 59% 32118
Total Votes: 54235



The problem I see is when they think they gave up enough privacy, it'll be too late.

[CherokeeDem]

16. Done!

Who are these idiots who haven't read the Constitution? It amazes me that the "yes" people don't even realize how much we have already had taken from us.

[azmouse]

17. done n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

19. Yes 41% 24826

wow, 24826 people who should be thrown in jail or deported...

who knew there were so many idiots...
oh wait.. I did.