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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:53 PM
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digby: Telling It Straight
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 06:54 PM by babylonsister
Telling It Straight

by digby

Intel Official: Say Goodbye to Privacy

A top intelligence official says it is time people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguards people's private communications and financial information.




Trust 'em?

If you think this isn't such a big deal, check out this post about what happened when we trusted our government with these powers just 37 years ago:

"For the past four years, the U.S. Army has been closely watching civilian political activity within the United States." So charged Christopher H. Pyle, a former intelligence officer, in the January 1970 edition of Washington Monthly. Pyle's account of military spies snooping on law‑abiding citizens and recording their actions in secret government computers sent a shudder through the nation's press. Images from George Orwell's novel 1984 of Big Brother and the thought police filled the newspapers. Public alarm prompted the Senate Subcommittee on Consti­tutional Rights, chaired by Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina, to investigate. For more than a year, Ervin struggled against a cover‑up to get to the bottom of the surveillance system. Frustrated by the Nixon Administration's misleading statements, claims of inherent executive powers, and refusals to disclose information on the basis of national security, the Senator called for public hearings in 1971 to examine "the dangers the Army's program presents to the principles of the Constitution."



It's happening again only this time instead of insisting that the government reveal its activities, the US Congress is about to legalize it. Officials are testifying that we're just going to have to get used to it. No shudders through the press. If there is national alarm, it's being ignored --- constitutional liberties are seen as "political losers" for Democrats because we are engaged in a sophomoric schlong-measuring contest instead of a debate about the best way to defend the nation against threats.

One of the hallmarks of an authoritarian state is surveillance of its own citizens --- if you give them the power they will use it to gain more. It's inevitable. We Americans should be guarding our privacy more zealously than ever and insisting that our representatives find ways to ensure that the government does not repeal the fourth amendment in slow motion.

And once again, I'm shocked that a member of the government is just saying this kind of stuff outright in public and nobody seems to give a damn. If someone were to have asked you ten years ago what countries in the world had a doctrine of preventive war and used it to invade a country on false pretenses, spied on its own citizens, held people in jail indefinitely without due process and routinely tortured suspected enemies of the state, would you have ever believed the United States Of America was among them?

more...

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/telling-it-straight-by-digby-intel.html
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:56 PM
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1. Let's hear it for BushInc and the Pied Piper Dems who lead us on that march
to fascism planned decades ago.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:00 PM
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3. STOP using that word! you know it's verboten to make such
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 07:02 PM by Gabi Hayes
comparisons

get with it!





what's the Italian word for oxymoron?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:06 PM
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6. Mussolini? Giuliani? Carville?
?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:57 PM
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2. K&R - you keep bringing us the best stuff - thank you! nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:57 PM
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7. definitely
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 02:57 PM by blm
and a shame not many DUers seem to get the gravity as it really exists.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:01 PM
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4. Privacy schmivacy! Principle schminciple! What wing of the Democratic Party
opposes domestic spying, but supports Bush's call for immunity for telecoms?

Or knows torture is illegal, but believes Bush should have his torture policy?


This is the next move for the Bushies. Give them an inch... To think, we only have to put up with this for another 14 months.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:04 PM
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5. this kind of thing makes me want to vote for Ron Paul (of course, not if Dennis is our candydate)
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