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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:04 AM
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Giuliani's Lie in State Court About 2000 Kerik Warning Now Being Noticed By Traditional Media
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 10:33 AM by Dems Will Win

This story has legs!

The failings of Bernard Kerik have been brought to book by his 16-count federal indictment that also exposes cracks in the judgment of his chief enabler, GOP presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani.

...

Long before Kerik's current troubles, in fact even before he was named police commissioner in 2000, then-mayor Giuliani ignored warnings about his shady ethics. First, Giuliani flatly denied to the press that he was been warned about Kerik lobbying city officials for Interstate Industrial Corp., a construction company reportedly linked to organized crime. Years later, before a grand jury, Giuliani changed his denial to a muddle about having been told that he had been warned, but maintaining that he, himself, did not remember, according to The New York Times.

...

As the gentleman is best known by his valet, the politician-on-the-make is best known by his bodyguard and driver. No secret, no matter how intimate, escapes the eyes and ears of the bodyguard-driver. Already we know that the thrice-married former mayor and the thrice-married Kerik ran scandalously afoul of the "moral values" vows given lip service by the likes of the zany Rev. Pat Robertson.

In his autobiography, Kerik spared us whatever juice he may have observed while chauffeuring Giuliani around. In fairness, there may have been none. But the detective and the former prosecutor have established a bond that surpasses all other explanations.

...

Should this woefully unsuited candidate defy the White House gravitational field, however, Kerik may well be in for a presidential pardon.

http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-oppay115454628nov11,0,3107857.column


In their questioning of Mr. Giuliani last April, Bronx prosecutors sought repeatedly to determine how much the mayor remembered being told about Mr. Kerik’s problems, and what, if anything, he had done about the information.

Throughout his questioning, Mr. Giuliani said he remembered close to nothing about what he had been told about the broader background investigation of Mr. Kerik or what he had done after hearing it. He testified that he remembered being told something about Mr. Kerik’s experience as a security consultant in Saudi Arabia, but little else.

He testified, as well, that he could not remember if he had ever discussed the issues with Mr. Kerik directly.


At one point, a senior Bronx prosecutor, Stephen R. Bookin, asked Mr. Giuliani, “As you sit here today, your testimony is, and correct me if I am wrong, that you don’t recall ever being told that a close friend of your correction commissioner had been indicted in a federal case?”

Mr. Giuliani responded: “I don’t recall that until 2004. I can’t tell you that it wasn’t, but I don’t — I don’t — I don’t remember.”


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The prosecutor then asked Mr. Giuliani whether, if the information had been presented to him with as much emphasis, he would have appointed Mr. Kerik police commissioner.

“If he told it to me the way you described it to me, no,” Mr. Giuliani replied. “If he had told it to me in a different way because, maybe he didn’t know all of the facts, or had come to a different conclusion about the facts, then maybe I would have — I can’t tell you that.”


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Several newspapers at the time were already pursuing stories about his relationship with Interstate, which were published in the succeeding days. It is unclear to what extent Mr. Kerik’s relationship with the company was made clear to the White House before his nomination.

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“He told me that Interstate didn’t do the work, that another company had done it legitimately, that he had the checks to show he paid for it,” Mr. Giuliani said.

Mr. Giuliani testified that he took Mr. Kerik’s word for it and did not ask to see the canceled checks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/us/politics/30rudy.html?pagewanted=all



Please recommend! If Giuliani's lies in Kerik's state court case get picked up by the tradmed, he could be finished (hopefully)...

By the way, do you believe that in the 2006 court case Giuliani truly did not "remember" the warnings about Kerik, or was he lying, trying to protect his political career??
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:06 AM
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1. I'll gladly recommend this!
Thank you for posting this extremely important information for us! I really appreciate it.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:23 AM
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4. Hey, Old Friend! How have you been?
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 10:23 AM by Dems Will Win
We need to hit on this point!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:34 AM
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5. I added the actual lying testimony for you to peruse in the OP...
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:18 AM
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2. As the mayor of this city,
that man has sooo much sh*t to dig up, this is just a taste. You really have to deal with the devil running this city.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:24 AM
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7. Especially when you let the Mob run the city school busses and God knwos what else
Kerik had his own fiefdom at Corrections and then NYPD. ITs a sewer
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:44 AM
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9. Has been for generations.
The fodder to throw at the ghoul in the GE will be plentiful.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:30 AM
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23. They both demonstrated incredible hubris. Ghouliani for nminating Kerik , and Kerik for accepting,
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 09:31 AM by BrklynLiberal
knowing what his own past was, and that it would most likely be dug up by someone...
They are a match made in hell...
The public humiliation they both deserve is far too little punishment for what they have gotten away with so far.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:23 AM
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3. "No secret, no matter how intimate, escapes the eyes and ears of the bodyguard-driver."
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:45 AM
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6. They both know all the other's secrets. That is how Kerik kept getting promoted
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:36 AM
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8. K & R ---THIS will be fully examined in the General Election if Rudy Wins Repub Nomination
There is no adequate explanation for Giuliani's 'failure to remember' and dissembling under oath.

Once Rudy crashes and burns, we are looking at Romney as the Repub Nominee.
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:57 AM
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10. K&R
Because I just love Rudy/Bernie threads and thanks Dems Will Win for keeping on tabs on their wild adventures :popcorn:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:07 PM
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11. here's how the media are/will be handling it, and it's not getting much attention here,
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 12:14 PM by Gabi Hayes
either:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2251904

Tapper and Lynn Scher discussed this today with Kurtz, and all they could say is that he admitted ties to Kerik, and that it makes him "SEEM candid", in that he admits "mistakes"

as Tapper ignored Guiliani's lies about not being briefed about Kerik's sleazy ties, he and Scher both ignored this story

also, on This Week, George Will, Sam Donaldson, George S, and Cokie ALL failed to mention Giuliani's selective memory regarding Kerik

this is the way it's playing out, and what evidence is there that anything will change. If Hillary has half a brain, she'll start making sure information like this is NOT allowed to be ignored by the M$M

not holding my breath, however
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:32 PM
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12. Well we have to put more pressure and embarass them into reporting it!
Are we bloggers, or are we mice?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:43 PM
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13. Wolf just mentioned how Kerik was spotlighted when he was put up
for head of HS. what did he mention, in terms of his problem?

the NANNY!

that was it

and that's going to be it.

to be fair, Suzanne Malveaux mentioned Alan Paca (not by name), so perhaps there's hope

I didn't see the beginning of this, so perhaps they talked about Kerik's mob ties, but others who saw the whole thing might comment

it's so obviously Rudy's to lose, and the likes of Jake Tapper and Lynn Scher are doing their best to rehabilitate his local-NY-hated image is indicative to me of how the M$M will be treating him from now on

hope I'm wrong, but just look back at 2000 and 2004 and the MYRIAD stories about B*** that we all thought would be the final nails in the B*** campaign coffin

it's just not going to happen. the real enemy of democracy is NOT the republican party....it's the media organizations they control; or do they control the party, or is it impossible to tell, since they're part and parcel of the same fascist undertaking that has stolen power over the last few years.

and who's going to report about this massive power shift? the media?


ooops
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:47 PM
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14. problem is, left wing bloggers have no power...no access to TV, like the RW blogs do
did you notice that Matthews is now citing POLLS from REAL CLEAR POLITICS??????

if it doesn't come up on TV, it isn't happening, and the difference in access between LW and RW blogs is very disheartening

the best example of this is how the instantaneous appearance of BS info regarding allegedly forged documents in the Rather/Bush/TANG story from RW blogs was the cornerstone of the attack on Rather, and you know the result of that

there are NO occurrences from the other end of the spectrum even remotely analagous to that fiasco, and the day it happens is the day I think we might have a chance against big media and incipient fascism. not holding breath, however
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:11 PM
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15. Actually there were 1,913 articles in Google News about Kerik and a lot of them mentioned
Giuliani's lack of memory at his State COurt Case:


NBC 10.com Kerik's troubles follow Giuliani
Newsday, NY - 10 hours ago
What was said of Giuliani-Kerik back then bears repeating, so here goes a touch-up. Without Giuliani, Kerik might be tending bar in Bayonne. ...

Rudy and Bernie: BFF’s New York Times

Memo To Pundits: Kerik Indictment Cuts At Core Rationale Of Rudy ... Talking Points Memo

DNC: Giuliani Continues to Evade Questions about Knowledge of ... Earthtimes

all 1,913 news articles »

Los Angeles Times
Gangster Giuliani: The GOP's Worst

AlterNet, CA - Nov 8, 2007
While others insist that they informed Giuliani of Kerik's mob ties, Rudy claims not to remember. He certainly didn't remember when he recommended his pal ...

'Everything goes' for the Giuliani as a GOP candidate
Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, NY - 8 hours ago
The week closed with the indictment of Giuliani 's former police commissioner and good friend Bernard Kerik on corruption-related charges. Remember ...

Rudy's rogue pal
New York Daily News, NY - Nov 9, 2007
Giuliani says he doesn't remember getting the warning. But he acknowledges that indeed it happened before he named Kerik police commissioner. ...


New York Daily News Feds will press grand jury to indict Bernie Kerik, say sources
New York Daily News, NY - Nov 8, 2007
Kuriansky, who has since died, met almost daily with Giuliani at the time. Giuliani has said he doesn't remember specifically being told of Kerik's links to ...

Kerik: 'Enough Is Enough'
WCBS-TV New York, NY - Nov 6, 2007
Kerik scoffed at suggestions that he was a keeper of Giuliani's secrets. "There's no secrets about Giuliani," Kerik said. "And you're one -- if there were ...

First thoughts: Progress vs. protection
MSNBC - Nov 8, 2007
The Bernie Kerik hurdle: So far, Giuliani has cleared some important hurdles -- speaking to the NRA, addressing the Values Voter Summit -- that analysts ...


New York Magazine McCain Orders Code Red on Giuliani
New York Magazine, USA - Nov 7, 2007
Usually, you just have to wait five minutes into a given public appearance — yesterday’s “I hope to do for the country what Bernie Kerik did for the city” ...

RealClearPolitics - Politics Nation
RealClearPolitics, IL - Nov 8, 2007
Giuliani has refused to answer questions about friend and former New York City Police Chief Bernie Kerik beyond an Associated Press interview earlier this ...

Giuliani’s wise guy
The Carpetbagger Report - Nov 3, 2007
Later, Giuliani testified that he couldn’t remember if his city investigations commissioner, Edward J. Kuriansky, briefed him on Kerik’s alleged criminal ...


Maybe things will change. Remember that Abramoff, Foley and Craig have tarnished the GOP, not to mention the Bush Cheney lies into war. Corruption, and corruption with sex especially, sells newspapers and cable TV news ads.

Also MSNBC is getting taken to the left by KO! Go KO!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:13 PM
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16. How could you say bloggers have no power? Without bloggers the GOP would be running the Senate
right now. Go tell Senator Allen (R-Purgatory) or Senator Burns (R-Limbo) that bloggers have no power!

WAKE UP!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:31 PM
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17. I guess you missed the part about how blogger power doesn't exist, really,
if it doesn't translate to TV, which is the only medium that matters to the average "news" consumer

did you read the part about how Rather got dumped because of the coordinated effort between RW blogs and the rest of the media, which was played out on TV?

one more time...if it doesn't happen on TV, it doesn't make any difference, and until the media HAMMER Giuliani on this, or ANY other issue, the way they did Kerry on Swiftboat, it won't matter

cite similar issues that have made ANY difference in the political landscape, based on LW blogging

we are where we are because of the RW control of media, and the the RW blogs (ABC's The Note--see Eric Boehlert on this) is perhaps the best example of straight-on logrolling/collusion between blogs and M$M outlets, especially TV

all your examples of the 'power' of LW blogs don't mean squat unless they get CONSTANT play on TV. the repetition of RW propganda on TELEVISION is what has gotten us where we are today, and I don't see how that changes, as long as the concentration of ownership remains the same

we can't even get our own CONGRESS to listen to those powerful LW blogs, so what sort of influence do you think they'll have on the 'mind-not-made-up' crowd?

I'd like to think you're right about this, but I see not one bit of change in the M$M on subjects that matter. today's performances by the likes of Jake Tapper, Lynn Scher, George Will, Cokie Roberts, George Stephanopoulus, and Sam Donaldson, and Wolf Blitzer (the ones I saw myself), very clearly demonstrated that they will IGNORE the real issues (this particular one being Giuliani's lies about his knowledge of Kerik's corruption), in favor of things that are unimportant in comparison.

just wait...you won't be hearing much more about Kerik by next week, and his trial will take as long to become an issue as Scooter Libby's, or Tom Delay's. it'll be out of the spotlight until long after the election is over
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:38 PM
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18. as far as Macaca....if there hadn't been video, that wouldn't have gone
anywhere

it was the translation of his egregious comment into a visual mode that made the difference

all the blogging in the universe wouldn't have mattered had there not been the video component

I'd really like to hope things do change, but most people don't give a rat's ass, and spend a very tiny portion of their day trying to find out what's really going on in the world

video macaca is as far as it gets

Swiftboat ads/discussion thereof are as far as it gets

making jokes over lies about Gore inventing the internet, or discovering Love Canal are as far as news consumption gets. that's why they win: tell a lie, or twist the truth, then get their media accomplices do the rest. it's why we've had B*** for seven years, and why I'm afraid we'll have eight more of Giuliani, the greates hero in US history, TIME's Man of the year.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:44 PM
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19. start here, at post 13. at least I'm not completely alone in my sad cynicism
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 01:44 PM by Gabi Hayes
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:26 PM
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21. I understand your view, I just think things are changing radically
Macacca is just the beginning of the Web 2.0 - Blogging Revolution
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 08:31 PM
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22. I really hope you're correct, but today's gasbag shows demonstrated to me
that nothing has changed so far. it's even worse, given that Tapper was called on his suckup interview with Giuliani by Media Matters, and today (I watched) he said that his handling of Kerik's indictmen helped him, made him 'SEEM CANDID' in the eyes of voters

he then went on to say how BAD it was for Hillary for her to get caught sneaking in planted questions. his evidence: his WIFE. that was it. he was much more interested in talking about that, rather than Giuliani's myriad corruptada.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:52 PM
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20. Kicking
way higher that Rudy's partners kicked those legs
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:32 AM
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24. Kick...for Rudy, who loves to dress up in women's clothes.
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:39 AM
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25. 20th recommend and
kickety-kick! Btw, those are some hideous legs this story has! :puke:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:51 AM
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26. kick
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:23 AM
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27. kick
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