Difi and torture: Californians could put an initiative on the Ballot for a non-binding

[John Q. Citizen]

"No Confidence " vote as regards DiFi.

They could even do it partially over the net. Download and print out the initiative, sign it and mail it in to their Secratary of State, or mail it into a central location for submission.

[robinlynne]

1. We have thought of it, but we havea republican governor who would appoint a republican replacement.

[John Q. Citizen]

3. Senators and Congress people can't be recalled. This would be a non-binding

reprimand from the citizens.

Only state and local officials can be recalled in those states who have recall. Federal office are under the US Constitution which has no provision for recall.

However, having the citizens of your state actually vote "no conficdence" would be a first. DiFi would go down in history I believe.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. we had a no confidence vote on her last year

it's called an election. She won handily.

I hate her position on this, but she's going to be in the Senate as long as she wants to be.

[John Q. Citizen]

4. you miss understand. This wouldn't be a recall, because that isn't allowed for

federal offices.

This would be a reprimand.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. and it would fail

she was just reelected handily. Despite what you and I think, there's no strong sentiment in California to punish her.

[John Q. Citizen]

12. When the choice is DiFi or an unnamed Repo, yeah after Repo control

of the Senate, yeah.

When the choice is a non-binding vote to express the will of the people, I wouldn't be so sure.

There is no down side for voters to vote "no confidence" and an up side to holding elected officials accoutable for authorizing torture.

I bet a lot of normally non voting voters would register just to be able to cast a vote like that.

Your analysis based on her last election doesn't hold, because people aren't forced to chose between a Republican and a Democrat in this case.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. Feinstein

is very popular in California, and probably less than 3% of the electorate here gives much of a shit about a vote on the A-G.

[Hekate]

6. Quite right: we call it an election, and that's the breaks.

The whole term limits thing here in California has been a fiasco, imo. We have ended up with wave after wave of newbies in Sacramento who look to lobbyists for information on how things get done.

The US Constitution provides a very good method of "recalling" politicians every two, four, and six years by making them run for office and having the people cast votes.

Hekate

[MonkeyFunk]

7. Oh the term limits thing is a nightmare

we have the same 7 people or so running for every available statewide office, and nobody in the legislature is able to accomplish anything. It's heaven for the lobbyists, who now actually run things.

[Hekate]

8. It's just amazing how many people simply don't get this. The voters were sold a bill of goods. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

9. well

I'm firmly convinced Californians are among the dumbest voters in the country.

[Hekate]

10. ROFL! Me too!

:rofl:

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Lots of states have term limits. I agree it's a pisspoor solution to the real problem of

entreched incumbancy, but your opinion that the voters of any state are somehow "dumber" than the voters of another state is pretty elitist. That doesn't surprise me though, coming from you.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. Governor Schwarzenegger

Need I say more?

[John Q. Citizen]

20. Ronald Reagan, Duekmejian, Wilson, and Difi. Of course there has also been Warren,

Cranston, and both Pat and Jerry Brown had their moments. And Boxer! Some good some bad some ugly.

But how about Jesse Ventura?

Or our own Judi Martz?

I don't think any state has a monopoly.

[robinlynne]

11. I get it. and I agree. She is in the wrong party.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. I agree. I've always opposed state term limits. It was an idea exploiting the

frustration of the difficulties of dislodging an entrenched incumbant, but it was the wrong solution to what is a real problem.

[yurbud]

18. DiFi has the big money behind her. Cindy Sheehan looked at running against her in primary and..

decided not to. My guess is someone gave her some powerful disincentives.

[EFerrari]

16. Do you have a link for the initiative? n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

19. It was just an idea I had, that perhaps such an initiave would be a good thing.

And given the difficulty in gathering signitures in a state like CA, I thought, hey maybe the internet could be used to actually bring in signitutes.

[EFerrari]

21. It's a good idea. Every time we let this sh!t go by, we invite more.nt

[SoCalDem]

22. ENOUGH of the "symbolic non-binding" shit

Like writing a check and not signing it..:puke:

just STFU, and start doing stuff you CAN do..

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Whoever controls the symbols controls the culture. I'm just another peasant living

in Empire America.

What have you done to change the world latley? Maybe I could emulate your example of success? Please instruct....