Democratic Rep receives biological susbtance with death threat

[nadinbrzezinski]

And if you still believe there is no active conspiracy

ongoing inside the bowels of the government, and a fascist shift, here you go

http://www.local10.com/news/14542944/detail.html

Oh and spread it or people will never learn of it outside the internets

[musette_sf]

1. a Dem, of course!

and lest we forget, the first anthrax "death by mail" occurred in Florida....

[EstimatedProphet]

2. In what way does this constitute proof of a government conspiracy?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. You can go down to the store and buy biological warfare agents?

I didn't know that.

And I can bet that is exactly what he got, given the reaction of emergency services

[EstimatedProphet]

15. So, the evidence is that this is a BIOLOGICAL WARFARE agent...how?

The article stated that this was a biological agent, and went on to explain that that meant it was biological, AND THAT'S ALL THEY KNEW. Are you then claiming that this has to be a bioweapon because the emergency services reacted fast? Didn't they react fast when Keith Olbermann got a present from Freeperman?

Lots of conclusion-jumping.

[TwilightZone]

22. Not only that...

But it's solid proof of a conspiracy within our fascist government.

Even though we don't even know what it is or where it came from.

Proof! Proof, I tell ya!

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. What will the proof you need?

troops in the streets?

There was also a coup in 2000...

[EstimatedProphet]

28. 2 words: Chad Castegna

This story is, to this point, nearly identical to that one. That's why this doesn't constitute proof of a government conspiracy.

So, the proof I would need is that the compound was found to be actual anthrax, and not assumed anthrax.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Well if you choose to belef there is nothign to all of these

targetted attacks at odd times... the more power to you

[EstimatedProphet]

38. HA!

YOU jump to conclusions, and then accuse ME of it!

I choose to believe NOTHING right now, because it is too early to make any pronouncements about how this is the final ultimate proof that the government is being run by secret vampires or space aliens or anything else that is not evidenced by the article!

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Read again

if you choose to belief that all these attacks, the collective of them, is not a sign of a fascist shift, the power to you

Read Naomi Wolf's book

Pay attention to the chapter on the thug class, for example

As well as internal attacks and claims of internal enemies and the creation of such

Then look at the last seven years

If you cannot see the pattern, I can't help you

Really.

By the way, Operation Northwoods (never implemented thankfully) woudl have lead to a fascist shift too

[EstimatedProphet]

61. As I said

I'M not making judgments. There's not enough information yet.

YOU are the one that said this has to be anthrax.

YOU are the one that then said that means it has to be a government conspiracy.

YOU are drawing conclusions that are not there.

YOU are seeing patterns, but you're forcing everything into that pattern whether it belongs there or not. There is not enough evidence to know whether it belongs there or not. Even if by some chance this turns out to be part of a government conspiracy, YOU ARE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS MAKING THE CLAIM RIGHT NOW, so you would still be wrong.

A professor of mathematics asks a question to the class involving a very complicated calculus equation. He asks a student at random for an answer. The student has no idea, and says 4. This happens to be the right answer. Was the student right?

[burythehatchet]

52. Do you really think these meat packets are going to ever learn?

Why waste your time?

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Becuase I keep getting a new batch

:-)

You know where they end up going after a while.

And they will learn, once it is too late.

And this message fits the pattern like a glove

Oh and telling them to read a book is now a personal attack...

I guess readying is verbotten and dangerous

[TwilightZone]

31. Ever heard of Ted Kaczinsky?

A death threat is not proof of a government conspiracy, nor is a package sent in the mail.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Differnt time

have they ever caught the Anthrax Mailer, and you remmeber the material came from Ft Dietrich, don't you?

And unlike Kazynsky, these attacks have ALL gone to liberals or perceived liberals

[EstimatedProphet]

39. They never caught Jack the Ripper either. Maybe it's him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. So you are telling me that someobdy who walked out of

a National Lab with more controls... than Jack had in his kitchen... didn't leave anything behiind?

Fantastic actually... oh never mind

There are some folks who truly cannot see how funny this statement is.

Fort Dietrich, one of the most secured places in the world, but somebody managed to go in, take the material, not leave anything behind, use it, and disapear.

I could not sell that plot to a novel publisher... since it defies all kinds of reality checks.

[2rth2pwr]

48. did you check Sandy Berger's socks? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. You do know that even the shit leaving that facility is

checked...

So explain me how somebody got out with weapons grade Anthrax

[mirrera]

60. Thank You, use ignore...n/t

[2rth2pwr]

65. Yea, especially sinc Anthra* is so hard to hide. nt

[EstimatedProphet]

62. What the hell does that have to do with this?

How are you not capable of seeing that YOU ARE MAKING THAT CONNECTION UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH?!?

[cali]

37. the substance was harmless according to the latest

update. Not that that will stop Madam Nadin, from engaging in her dramatics.

[TwilightZone]

40. It helps if you start with the assumption that everything is a government conspiracy.

It makes coming to that conclusion a lot easier.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. It helps to study a little history on fascist shifts

and recognizing it when it happens

[TwilightZone]

43. It's pretty easy to recognize a government conspiracy when that's all you're looking for.

Summarily dismissing all of the other possibilities without thought makes it easy to fit the circumstances to your assumptions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Read Wolf

you seem desperate to dismiss that there may be something affoot

If this was just Kazynksy... you would have a point

But the summ of Federal Actions fit the story line of a fascist shift

Read the damn book... perhaps it may help to illuminate this to you

As is there are many folks here who are even afraid to even consider the posibilty of a fascist shift

You seem to be one of them.

Nothing personal...

And yes, if this was an isolated attack... I would not be going hmmm

Given this is NOT an isolated attack and it follows a major event on Tuesday... yes I have to consider that posibilty...

After all sending messages is part of the play book of a fascist shift.

Read some history.... and READ her book.

Not long read either, and very easy.

[TwilightZone]

47. Ah, yes, resort to personal attacks when you have nothing.

Let's see, we have:

"desperate" - ah, yes, we're all just so desperate, because we don't believe that every single human event is a government conspiracy.

"help to illuminate" - oh, we're all just ignorant, because we aren't so narrow-minded that we see only one possible cause for an event.

"very easy" - oh, we're all just so dumb that we need items provided to us in small words.

Your assertion has no basis in reality, therefore you resort to this silly "I'm soooo much smarter than you" garbage.

Careful, if you continue patting yourself on the back, you might fall off that high horse of yours.

[cali]

49. That's what the OP always does

if you don't agree with her, you're ignorant or a "good german". Disgusting, really.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Telling you to read a book is a personal attack?

Wow....

I didn't know that.

[TwilightZone]

57. Wow, that was pretty impressive.

Once again, you managed to see one small part of the big picture and selectively ignored the rest.

Hmm, where have I seen that before? Oh, yeah, the OP.

[asdjrocky]

59. "Telling" any grown human being to do something can at least be seen as rude.

Try a kinder tone. Open up and listen a bit maybe.

[EstimatedProphet]

63. Using your logic, the guy I saw speeding today is part of a government conspiracy

[hedda_foil]

3. Not just a Dem but one who wants Judiciary to hold impeachment hearings.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. It's a message

[lovuian]

13. Agree

its to scare the hell out of you

[JuniperLea]

10. Bingo-diddily Ingo!!!

Ugh... sometimes... I just don't get it when DU doesn't get it.

[Junkdrawer]

14. They're not even trying to be subtle anymore, huh?n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Target key individuals

part of the play book.

The expected reaction is for them to shut up and put any impeachment to pasture

[Junkdrawer]

33. ...and, more importantly, their colleagues should also get the message.

This was a First Warning.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Yep but look at the denial still

I am betting they have not read the necesary history to understand the context of all of these... ahem... messages

[malaise]

44. And that is what is important n/t

[cali]

54. Wrong. Klein is not on the JC

and he's hardly a senior figure.

[Bright Eyes]

4. I'm a bit confused....

Where's the Governmental conspiracy?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I can go and get biological agents at the corner store?

didn't know that

Who controls the supply oh I don't know, ANTHRAX in this country?

[Fierce]

11. But the article says it isn't anthrax.

nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. They are stil trying to identify it

I used to work in EMS and biological is code for exactly refined biological agents of mutiple types INCLUDING warfare agents.

I know.... you may not even want to beleive this is posisble, but the last seven years and things like Operation Northwoods and the Houston Plan, REAL Operational False Flag plans, should get your attention

And the timing, two days AFTER this went to the comittee and this guy is a dem and supports it?

There are no coincidences

[Fierce]

16. Right...but they say they know what it isn't.

And you're saying it's not necessarily a warfare agent, right?

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. What it is exaclty is a message

:-)

There is no way around that one...

A CLEAR MESSAGE

[Fierce]

24. Oh, sorry, I thought you said something about anthrax.

"A message," I can buy that. Throwing around spooky speculation about a terror attack...well, not so much.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. That is a terror attack by definiton

sorry, I don't what it will take for people to finally get it... we are in the midst of a fascist shift and this is yet another proof of it

[Fierce]

27. Or it's a kook writing a spooky letter

the way they have been for as long as we've had the mail service.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Not to make fun, but you also still belief in the tooth faerie?

this is a hell of a coincidence!

Seriious... I don't know what will it take for folks to start connecting the damn dots

For the moment I hightly recommend you read the following book

The End of America: A letter of Warning to a Young Patriot
Naomi Klein

It may help you to connect some of the dots

[Bright Eyes]

17. I'm not downplaying the importance of this

But the article says:

"That can be anything from the flu to anthrax,"

Isn't necessarily anthrax. Nor does it have to be a conspiracy by the Bush admin to silence Democrats.

Not that i wouldn't put it past them, I just think you're jumping to conclusions about who's responsible.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Seven years have taught me that there are no coincidences

I am going from all available evidence, inclding the we never caught the Anthrax sender either and that came from Fort Dietrich, the substance that is

[EstimatedProphet]

29. The entire course of recorded history and science has taught me there are coincidences

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. the course of the history of fascist shifts has taught me that

these things are part of the game

[Mme. Defarge]

5. K & R!

[debbierlus]

9. May I suggest reposting this with a different headline

Democratic Congressional Rep receives biological substance with death threat....

This should go to the front page!

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Done

[cali]

18. and here's the problem with "conspiracy patterns":

the leap to fit everything that could bolster your theory into "the pattern". The OP could be right.. or not.

[sce56]

55. The fact is that we finaly see movement on impeachment then a Deomcratic Congressperson is targeted

Sure looks suspicuius to me! Could be a lone nut but I don't belive Oswald was a lone nut either! Be cautious very cautious when the ship starts to leak the rats get desperate!

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Exactly and as my hubby and I were talking about it

if this was the FIRST time, hell even the second time... we'd say... coincidence.

But lets count them shall we?

9.11 happens

Antrhax just before the US Patriot was voted on

Then there is the Wellstone plane

The mail bombs to the "liberal Media" after they started getting really critical of the surge... chiefly K Oberman and Randi Rhodes

Now this , two days after HR 333 went to the committee.

To add this is from the top of my head

[Senator]

58. K&R&ImpeachAnyway

[pinto]

64. Substance Found At Rep's Office 'Not A Toxin'

Further tests of the substance on the scene determined it was not a toxin such as anthrax, risen or botulism, said Ted Lawson of the city of Fort Lauderdale. The powder will be sent to a laboratory for further testing to determine what the substance was, he said.

"Earlier today, one of our staff members in our Broward County office opened a package that came in the mail, which contained suspicious content. As a precaution, we followed standard protocol procedures and contacted the Capitol Police, who instructed us to contact the Ft. Lauderdale police. After a brief evacuation, our staff is back in the Broward County office. Our staff members are safe, and no one has been harmed because of this incident," said Adrienne Elrod, a spokesperson for Klein.

Klein was in Washington, D.C., when the incident happened. None of the employees in Klein's office suffered any ill effects from being exposed to the powder, according to Elrod.

http://www.local10.com/news/14542944/detail.html

Likely an isolated whacko, imo. :shrug:

[TwilightZone]

66. Doesn't matter.

The rules:

1) Everything is a government conspiracy and proof of fascism.

2) In the event that there is a lack of sufficient evidence, see rule #1.