Ed Schultz to Dem leadership yesterday: "Don't get in the way!"

[RiverStone]

Of the impeachment debate.

Ed went on to say something similar to --- This is main street talking and this is what the people want, if Dems get in the way of it there will be a price to pay.

I 100% agree! :applause:

[Fresh_Start]

1. The founding fathers always expected the Congress

to "get in the way". It was intended to be an obstructive, deliberative body. To slow down the national dialogue.

The founding fathers were not great fans of mob rule.

[RiverStone]

4. The protracted crawl to finally, FINALLY get a floor debate...

On Shooter's high crimes has been anything but mob rule. And many have spent plenty of time getting in the way already. Dennis is simply defending the Constitution

I'm just thankful for the likes of Kucinich and Feingold, who kept pounding the idea until someone (many someones) listened! Add Mayor Rocky Anderson to that list...

[Fresh_Start]

6. I didn't suggest that Congresses recent actions were mob rule

however I do believe that the GOP congress with the GOP administration was more like mob rule and that's why they comfortably enflamed peoples emotions about terror. They needed the mob sentiment to get away with their actions.

[cascadiance]

10. I think "Mob" rule has more to do with supporting corrupt corporate influences than the grass roots

At least Father Corleonne might be insulted if you said otherwise. I think that makes the current government leadership (by elements of BOTH parties) analagous to "Mob rule" than what Dennis is leading.

[Fresh_Start]

13. I'd agree that the big money influence is looking a lot like big-m MOB rule

but its still true that the founding fathers didn't want little-m mob rule either.

[cascadiance]

14. I'd think they would prefer little m mob rule than big M Mob rule if they were here today!

After all, they did say it was our DUTY as citizens to overthrow a tyranical government if that is what our government morphs into. That says they support small m mob rule in that instance.

The idea was that representative government would represent all citizens better than just a "mob" majority of votes. That might be correct, but the problem is that we are fast becoming a country with a NON-representative government. We're becoming a nation being ruled by a "minority elite" mob rather than a majority mob. I think most of us would prefer the latter, given a choice.

[Fresh_Start]

16. not completely convinced...after all they did create the Senate

which always represented big money.

They created the electoral college to further disenfranchise the people.
They didn't give women or blacks the right to vote.

They were an all white male club who wanted to preserve the power of the white male.
So they have their own big-M MOB that they were interested in empowering.

[magellan]

2. Yep, I heard a pollster saying the same thing this morning

...on the CM. He said many Americans have had it with the government, they don't like the front runners in either party, and the "lesser of two evils" equation isn't cutting it anymore.

The Dems had better get off their posteriors and start doing things to regain the confidence of the people. "We won't succeed at (fill in the blank) so we won't even try" is a losing mantra.

[SeattleGirl]

3. They need to take a break from the chicken dinner circuit, and

spend some time among the great unwashed masses, who make up the majority of people in this country.

I cannot believe how fucking disconnected the DCers are with the rest of the country.

I know there has always been a disconnect there, but right now, it seems worse than it's ever been.

I'm sick and tired of being ignored.

[magellan]

5. It's an intentional disconnect

That's my estimation of it. They aren't ignorant of the rumbles across America, they're willfully deaf and blind.

Maybe we should send them cheap magnifying glasses and hearing aid batteries.

[SeattleGirl]

9. Alas, you are probably right.

Silly me. I thought they wanted to be elected because this country meant something to them.

Apparently, I was wrong.

[yojon]

11. I think they have been threatened with something

No other way to explain it. Until last year, Pelosi was great! Then she did a 180.

[RiverStone]

15. What is it with that power thing???

No other way to explain it. Until last year, Pelosi was great! Then she did a 180.

You mean she was great before she became Speaker. Sure talked a good talk anyway.

---Absolute power corrupts absolutely---

[magellan]

18. No offense, but I think that's naive

You can threaten one or two people, but not a whole party. And virtually the entire party is mum.

It's pretty clear they've got their marching orders and I'm sad to say it's probably about nothing more than their misguided idea of how to win elections next year.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Messages have been sent

like the antrax letters and the wellstone plane crash and just today a package

Look at the dates and the fact that they were growing a spine

Yiou need to target a few... the rest will follow

That is the beauty of a fascist shift... if you understand it you can spot it

Now I am not justifying that... they need to grow spines and the few chances I've had, I have told one of them exactly that.

On edit: the messages are part of the puzzle but not the whole answer

[magellan]

21. If "They" (as opposed to rogue freaker types) wanted to send a message

...about impeachment, Ron Klein would hardly signify. He's not even one of the co-sponsors, from what I can find.

[Gold Metal Flake]

7. "Get Out Of The Way, Nancy"

Remember the "Bill Lied" bumper stickers that were everywhere in the 1990's? The subject message should be so ubiquitous.

[mod mom]

8. 100% in agreement!

[pberq]

12. K&R - and credit Dennis K. for getting this going

[me b zola]

17. In the past I've been very critical of Ed

...for not understanding progressive values, for beating up more on progressives more than republicans, for not being informed on the issues...

But I've been watching Ed as he is evolving into a better talk show host, a better voice for progressive values. I don't agree with Ed on every thing, but I don't agree 100% with anybody. He may not be my favorite, but I can listen to him now without the desire to throw my radio through the window--and at times am very pleased with him.


Since I have been publicly critical of Ed, I thought it was important to publicly give him a shout out for having the courage to evolve into a better progressive voice. Thanks Ed.


Oh yeah, a big shout out for speaking out on the issue of impeachment and speaking out on behalf of the people. :applause:

[tnlefty]

20. I shall have to join you in publicly stating that he's come into

his own and is much better to listen to now. When he used to start attacking those who in his mind were "lefties" I had to turn him off.

I admire that he was sick of the "debates" and invited each of the candidates to come onto his show for 3 hours to discuss issues and take phone calls. I'm all for political discourse as opposed to the 1-2 minute answers, and to date Dennis is the only one that I'm aware of who took him up on it and did the 3 hrs.

He's done some great interviews with Dodd and I enjoyed their discussion of Dodd's book and I was fascinated that Sen. Dodd's father had played such a large role in the Nuremberg Trials, and that Sen. Dodd has such a background in the respect for the rule of law as his father viewed it as a gift to mankind. He also has some good interviews with democrats.

He was on fire again today and I say thank you. :thumbsup: