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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:35 PM
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The Mississippi River Gulf Outlet did not flood New Orleans, I guess if people in St. Bernard scream
loud enough they just get whatever they want handed to them. With all the tax money spent on this, there is no reason to not make it viable. I guess the only reason would be some in St. Bernard don't want it there.


Wonder how many BILLIONS we will have to spend on the next massive project for St. Bernard simply to have them later go crying to the federal government to have shut down.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:36 PM
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1. Quoi?...nt
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:37 PM
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3. The water bill closes the outlet

Billions and billions of tax dollars wasted.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:37 PM
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2. Eh? n/t
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:47 PM
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4. just what are you advocating?
Your post is confusing. Please explain what your point is.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:49 PM
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5. That I think the MRGO should not be closed
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:53 PM
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6. Explain
what is your reasoning and your antipathy toward St. Bernard. I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just interested.

Some background would help.
:)
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:02 PM
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7. Some in St. Bernard think without the MRGO storm surge would be more directed into
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 01:05 PM by RGBolen
Lake Pontchartrain and would put more water in New Orleans and less into them. Probably isn't the case but the other point is the money. We have spent billions on this thing and now because some there have this dream of one day sitting on the levees singing Bye Bye Blackbird to New Orleans it's all wasted.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:16 PM
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8. I have a different view of MRGO then you.
I don't live in St Bernard but think that MRGO should be closed. It shouldn't have been created in the first place, and now we know why. I suggest you read Rising Tide by John M. Barry, a great read about the great flood of 1927. It offers a rather good reason for why people in St Bernard and Plaquemines might, still to this day, not trust those in Orleans Parish.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:21 PM
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9. I have read it.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:29 PM
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10. a) MRGO did indeed flood Lower Nine, b) it was never a "project for St. Bernard".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/13/AR2005091302196.html

Authorities have not yet concluded what caused the drowning of New Orleans, and most attention has focused on two breached floodwalls near Lake Pontchartrain, to the city's north. But now experts believe that the initial flooding that overwhelmed St. Bernard Parish and the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans came from the Gulf Outlet, a channel that was an ecological and economic disappointment long before Hurricane Katrina....

Mashriqui had warned that the confluence of the MRGO and the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway created a funnel that would direct storm surges into the New Orleans Industrial Canal and on into St. Bernard Parish. On the Friday before Katrina made landfall, the parish's state senator, Walter Boasso, complained at a congressional hearing that the federal government was "playing Russian roulette" with his constituents.

Katrina's first storm surges apparently shot up the Gulf Outlet and neighboring Lake Borgne from the southeast, then overtopped levees along the Outlet and the Industrial Canal. The floodwaters eventually breached the Industrial Canal's levees, and officials believe a large portion of the Outlet's levees have been destroyed as well.

"That funnel was a back door into New Orleans," said G. Paul Kemp, an oceanographer at the LSU Hurricane Center. "I don't think there's much doubt that was the initial cause of the disaster."


True, the flooding in most of the city came from the drainage canals by way of Lake Pontchartrain -- but the worst flooding of all, with houses left standing in the middle of the street, did come from MRGO. Besides, what little MRGO traffic there was was all bound to or from the Port of N.O., so how is it "a project for St. Bernard"?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:36 PM
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11. Most of the time we
go to the quarter we go the "back" way through St Bernard and wa-la, Orleans Parish abuts St Bernard Parish and boda bing boda boom, you drive right into the lower ninth ward. I can pass on eyewitness accounts that the damage did not end at the Parish Line. The best thing for all of Southeast Louisiana is to do away with MRGO. The sooner the better. As my prescient wife points out, its just another example of why man shouldn't fuck with mother nature.

Hello My Friend. Christmas Shopping in the Quarter in a couple of weeks, the wife will be out of town. I'll be toasting you at the TI!
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