We will never have a world without war will we ?

[blues90]

And it's all about land or resources or religion or hate or race .

All the people who truly believe in peace and try to get along probably represent the vast majority of all the populations on the globe yet we have leaders or governments that control us as masses of sheep .

I think about this and it just seems so basically crazy and nuts .

This certainly is not anything new , it is just something that seems more depressing after 6 years of bush and how he has brought so much more threat all over the globe pushing everyone even further away from any hope of peace .

Here we have one man and his thugs and it seems impossible they can cause so much damage in such a short time period .

Sorry , just a very depressing night here in sunny calif .

[muntrv]

1. Shrub has deeply planted the military-industrial complex in the last 6 years.

[lonestarnot]

2. I'd like to think we can stop him, but I just don't know how well it's

working. :shrug: I don't see much progress. :grr:

[A HERETIC I AM]

3. I sincerely think all wars have been for ONLY greed or ego.

Think about it.

Wars about land? - Greed
Wars about Resources? - Greed
Wars about Religion? - Ego (My god is better than your god. "Oh yeah? Fuck you"...etc)
Wars about race? - Ego (Your skin is different and therefore i am better than you)

Answer to your question from my point of view is - we will have wars until greed and ego are relegated to a tiny portion of humanity's common experience.


Not bloody likely.

[dysfunctional press]

8. isn't greed a subset of ego?

ultimately making all wars about ego.

[A HERETIC I AM]

13. Good point....

but i think a distinction can be drawn when demand for food, for instance comes into play.

I remember the scene in "Dancing with Wolves" where Costner's character narrates after the battle with the Pawnee. He said something to the effect that this battle made more sense than any battle he had ever fought. It wasn't about land or politics or attitudes. It was about who was going to have enough food to make it through the winter.

Your point is well taken and provides food for thought (pardon the pun)

[dysfunctional press]

20. who is going to have enough food to make it through the winter.

still seems like a matter of ego-

survival of the fittest and all.

we deserve the food, because our dna is superior and needs to be passed on.

[PreacherCasey]

14. I believe you are correct.

When ego and greed are replaced with empathy and compassion in the average person's mind, then we may have a change.

[barb162]

4. That's probably true if the past is any clue.

Also I expect more and more severe wars as resources and space are used up; water, oil, etc

[blues90]

12. True , I haven't thought about that .

I hope I won't be here at that point but the way things are going we may be there sooner than one would think .

Even the US was stolen land at the cost of lives were you would think the guilt would never wash away but they do say time heals all but it does'nt really .

It's been 40 plus years since we were close to a possible nuclear war , perhaps we are closer now then ever before .

[dysfunctional press]

5. have we ever?

even animals wage wars on each other(well, ants do at least anyway...).

[oldtimecanuk]

6. Certainly not if the General Populace doesn' t take an interest,

and stand up, and do something about it..... They voted what they wanted in November, but there has been very little follow up to make sure that their wishes are being carried out. So, guess the answer is probably a resounding NO.

ww

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. When the power of love is greater than the love of power,

there will be peace on earth.... Jimi Hendrix

[bobbolink]

10. Yes.

A thousand times, YES.

[whistle]

9. Lord of the Rings

[monktonman]

11. Not if we keep thinking that way

[roguevalley]

15. we will have the world we tolerate, my friend

[Jonathan50]

16. Why we go to war

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[MedleyMisty]

17. probably not

Because war will do us in before we can learn and evolve past it.

Gore makes a good point in An Inconvenient Truth about new technology and old habits. I think our old habits are going to kill us, and probably fairly soon. I'm 26, and I expect that my golden years will not be fun or pleasant.

[Fridays Child]

18. Your observation that it's about land and other resources is accurate. And...

...until competition for the control of resources becomes cooperation for the management of resources, war and needless suffering will continue unabated.

[Union Thug]

19. Fatalism will get you no where. Organized, we can make happen..

whatever we goddamn well please. Social and economic justice are within our reach. But it requires organizing on a massive level. So long as the power in concentrated in the hands of the compteting few, and we allow ourselves to be sold on the idea of 'property' as the highest human value by the corporations and marketers, we'll never get there. We have to realize that freedom, as a concept, has nothing to do with the aquisition of crap. We need once and for all to kill the idea that greed is somehow good and embrace the cooperative spirit.

We need to cast off the bullshit that the 80's ushered in and get back to thinking like the old labor organizers, anarchists and socialists did. We cannot allow ourselves to be fooled into taking up arms against our own by the elite who have everything to gain thereby. We also need to get over the idea of nation states and think in terms of global citizenry.

There will never be a world without violence, but we can do something about war - the rich commanding competing proxy armies of the working class to fight their battles for them - so that they can maintain control over the worlds resources. We can do it.

The question is, how badly do we want it?