Tracking Giuliani's approval ratings, as of today, Feb. 15, 2007

[Gabi Hayes]

care to guess?

I saw one on either MSNBC or CNN today.

he was at either 66 or 67 percent!

the only other one I saw was Edwards, at 49

he was 16-18 points of McCain

I think it would be interesting to see what happens to these numbers as time passes

can his approval possibly go higher, assuming the M$M does a better job of telling the truth about him than they did about GWB?

here's a thread with info/links about him:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=151710#194316

[saltpoint]

1. I think Rudy's in for a real bumpy ride leading up to the first caucus and

primary votes.

His opponents are going to knick him with negative ads until his campaign bleeds to death.

There's a dark, unlikable core to him that just can't be gotten over. I think even the thickest of GOP primary voters will sense that and will ultimately choose another candidate for their votes.

[Gabi Hayes]

2. you mean, like Pat Robertson, who's already said he likes him?

those people are SO fricking lemminglike that they'll think WHATEVER their Dobsons, their Haggards TELL them to think.

nobody besides McCain has a CHANCE against Giuliani, and he's, all of a sudden become prey to the same media who've been in love with him since 1999.

I hope you're right, because he's got such an undeserved reputation since 911, that it's going to take a vicious primary to get the truth out about him

if it doesn't come out by then, the media WILL NOT ALLOW dems to dare speak ill of America's sainted mayor

you just watch

[saltpoint]

4. He could prove me dead wrong. But I have a feeling Sam Brownback

is interested in that Dobson/Falwell constituency, and will happily concoct ads to bring Rudy's "liberal" positions as NYC mayor to the light of the good brethern among those early caucus and primary GOP voters.

My hunch on Rudy's heroism is that it's vaporous. He was in office for the 9/11 attacks and was in town. Somebody on his staff handed him a bullhorn so he could go down to the attack site and blather cliches through the bullhorn.

As near as I can tell, that's the extent of his heroism.

I think you're right that the fundie vote is very swayable, but I think Brownback, psychotic and unstable as he is, is smarter than Rudy, and will grab the lion's share of the nutbags.

[Gabi Hayes]

6. Brownback has no money, no organization, no name recognition

he's a good looking Gary Bauer, basically, but even crazier.

and it doesn't MATTER what the reality behind Giuliani's facade might be

it's ALL about how the media portray him.

so far they're treating him at least as well, if not better, than the way they treated McCain during the halcyon days of the Straight Talk Express 2000

[saltpoint]

8. So far, they are, yes. No argument. What I'm thinking is that

whether the media are on board or not, his opponents will be insistent on running ads to take him out at the knees.

Brownback is better funded than you think. He has big-time far-right pizza magnates arranging some serious donation bucks. He's insane of course, but dashing. I think he poses a far greater threat than Rudy imagines right now.

[me b zola]

9. Maybe not as bumpy as we all have been thinking

...this may also explain why Chris Matthews has been telling people that traditional thought on how a socially unconservative guy like Gulliani can't get by the religious machine on the right may just be wrong.

Democracy Now! Just ran a piece that Palast did for the BBC discussing the debt of underdeveloped nations. In the piece sprang up none other than Paul Singer, *'s number one financial contributer--and also the $$$ behind the swiftboat liars. In the segment, Palast said that Singer is also Rudy's number one financial contributor.

I used to laugh at the prospect of Rudy running, but this info tonight leads me to believe that they will destroy any conservative candidate that gets in their way much like they previously did to McCain, and BTW, I just saw a thread where the AZ gop is slamming McCain.

I'll include a link to the transcript, but as I stated before, the piece is on another (very interesting) subject.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/15/1528209

[saltpoint]

10. Hi, me b zola. That's interesting. Rudy likely has his connections,

but the scenario you set up there has media as the arbiter.

Which I can see is a huge force. We could ask Al Gore.

Another force is the very motivated far right fundie primary voter, and he or she is going to insist on a say in the process as well.

It could be a real barnburner.

[dysfunctional press]

3. what makes you think that they will do a better job of telling the truth?

rudy is the Chosen One- the msm will spend the next 21 months annointing him.

[Gabi Hayes]

5. I absolutely don't....check out that thread I link.

lots of discussion of how the media are doing all they can to put him above criticism.

if it doesn't happen during the republican primaries, which I was hoping would be the most vicious ever (but which I'm afraid will turn into a walk in the park for RG, seeing as how the M$M looks to be turning upon their former Golden Boy), I don't think the media will brook any Dem criticism of the Hero of 911


I sure hope I'm wrong.....

[blues90]

7. Here is a prime example or a really sick bum

A he runs for president . Scum bag that rises to the surface and adds to the pollution level of an already sick nation .

[KharmaTrain]

11. Build 'Em Up To Bring 'Em Down

The corporate media is looking to make this election into a reality show...a combination of Survivor and American Idol...Rudy's just another contestant in this year long, made-for-TV dog & pony show.

Since when does popularity really mean votes? It's extremely misleading. For example, Bill Clinton's approval ratings were in the 60's, but he sure didn't win 60% of the popular vote. I can like someone, personally, but never want to vote for them. These polls are nothing more than high school popularity contests.

Of course Rudy's numbers will head down now. He's no longer the "next big thing". There's no there, there. The only thing Rudy can do now that will get attention will be to throw a shit fit and the corporate media will be on it like a cheap suit. Rudy appears to be the favorite of the "inside the beltway" crowd (Tweety is all but his campaign manager), but I can't see Guiliandrews surviving southern or western primary.

[Gabi Hayes]

12. you mean like they covered all Bush's mini shit fits?

and who's on the horizon to be the next new face?

McCain has been their darling since 2000. Only Giuliani's entry into the race has caused them to find the latest wunderkind, and I'll be very surprised if they're in any hurry to abandon him

we'll see

as I've said, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so

just remember what they thought of Bush in freepland in 1999

[KharmaTrain]

13. Boooshie's Nomination Was Bought In '99

Gabi, I'm sure you remember how desperate the Repugnicans were to look "unified"...boooshie was annointed sometime in '98 and spent all of '99 rolling in the cash and buying off endorsements. McCain was a spoiler, and the "media darling", and I'll admit, I was paying attention to him at that point (no way I'd ever vote for the bastard), but he never stood a chance as he was already tapped out and the party powers were all bought off by the boooshie cabal. That's not quite the case this go 'round.

McCain's booooshlicking to get his hands on the money cost him whatever "base" he had in '00. Rudy's the media darling this go 'round, but there's Mittens Romney going after a lot of the same money/endorsements he is and there's no way the social conservatives will fall in line during the primaries...and I would suggest if Rudy looks like the possible nominee, you'll see a third party splinter out of the GOOP. So there's part of me that wishes for that scenario.

Boooooshie got a major free ride...and still does...from the corporate media. Neither McCain or Guilandrews has the money to buy off the media and an impending Rudy/St. McCain grudge match is the stuff News Producers dream of.

:toast: