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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:08 PM
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This is NOT what democracy looks like
via Amnesty Intl

H.R. 1955

The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. The Bill passed 404-6.

This Bill criminalizes any act of, or promotion of, anything the Government interprets to be "radical" or "extremist." This may include Animal Rights, Environmentalism, Socialism, Labor Organizing, anything that may upset the status quo, hell anything that may upset a politician. And that's the scary thing here; it's entirely up to State interpretation.


A revision of H.R. 5122 (2006), the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill is, as Leahy noted, an invitation to declare martial law.

On September 30, 2006, the Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill. Section 1076 of the new law changes Sec. 333 of the "Insurrection Act," and widens the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States to enforce the laws. Under this act, the President may also deploy troops as a police force during a natural disaster, epidemic, serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or other condition, when the President determines that the authorities of the state are incapable of maintaining public order. The bill also modified Sec. 334 of the Insurrection Act, giving the President authority to order the dispersal of either insurgents or "those obstructing the enforcement of the laws." The new law changed the name of the chapter from "Insurrection" to "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order."

This one was signed in a private ceremony in the Oval Office on the same day the Military Commissions Act was approved.

The ACLU notes the state of civil liberties in 2007.

And, of course, we have a legislature willing to appoint an AG who will not define torture because that would mean he would be defining this administration as war criminals. WTF is wrong with that picture, Feinstein?

Maher Arar tells about what they did to him, an innocent man with no reason to be held, much less tortured. This administration has not issued an apology, tho some members of Congress did. Taliban fighter Dana Rohrbacher "sort of" apologized but said Arar was just a casualty of a growing police state (not his words, obviously)

Bush has given himself power over and above the law on at least 750 occasions. Two of these exceptions that Bush grants to himself are the right to torture and the demand that he report to Congress on the uses of the "patriot act."

Although the embed with media calls these things part of Cheney's vision to expand the power of the executive office after Nixon, NO president has ever issued so many signing statements. NO president has given himself exemption to torture.

And the legislature caved in on Warrantless Wiretapping... even tho EVERY request had been granted for wiretaps within the law.

And to reiterate, Congress has made this usurpation possible by not going to head to head with these tyrants in republican clothing. These laws are the very definition of tyranny. This legislature will go down in history as the worst ever because they made it possible for an executive to overturn the constitution in the name of "safety." I don't feel safe knowing BushCo has unlimited power.

Halliburton sold nuclear components to Iran. Now they (b/c Halliburton and KBR are part of the U.S. govt, just not acknowledged as such) are calling for a strike on Iran? If Cheney were a salesman, I think this would be considered a major scam. Sell someone a home heating system and then go destroy it in the middle of the night. In fact, the merger of state and corporate power under this administration increased Cheney's portfolio by 3000%.

And of course, we now have Storm Troopers who are allowed to operate on our soil. They are not loyal to Americans. They are loyal to an ideology that puts religion above democracy. That puts loyalty to BushCo over the constitution.

So explain to me again why impeachment is off the table? And Why Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Addington, Yoo, Gonzales, etc. are not under arrest for war crimes and treason. What part of their duty to the constitution have I failed to note that makes it okay for the legislature to allow these despotic moves to go forward? If you and your family members are afraid, well, you took an oath when you took office. I'm sorry if that's the case, but you have a duty greater than any private fear or embarrassment.

If Republicans win in 2008, knowing EVERY STATE in the U.S. is now "blue," will Congress let that pass, too?

via YouTube, cause
Yeah, the storm is threatening
woe, children, it's just a shot away from Merry Clayton, the original female singer.

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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:10 PM
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1. K & R!!!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:13 PM
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2. K&R! nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:22 PM
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3. I just had a moment of "I'm mad as hell"
and I'm not gonna take it anymore.

I wonder how many Americans know about all these moves? We need a concise one page flyer so that Americans can know what is happening "in their names."
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:26 PM
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4. The usual sorts will show up to explain why we are Cassandras.
Just wait. I don't see any goose-stepping storm troopers. It can't possibly be fascism.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:31 PM
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5. who can deny our loss of constitutional protections?
I mean, who can HONESTLY deny them? I mean, who can deny them if they're not IGNORANT. Or in denial. Or scared to tell the truth.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:42 PM
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6. Ah...well Blackwater...has their own tanks, helicopters and other
military aresenal wares.....they have bases in 4 or 5 states and they are trying to get established in more.

The Jackboots are here already they are disguised as Corporate America.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:52 PM
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7. I just can't keep up with this anymore...
What do we have to do to get our opinion heard? Never mind all this, why do I not see every these reported bills, not just "how they voted? What about every new move, thrust and perry as a subscriber or my daily paper? Should I just sigh, take my soma and read Mary Worth?

Never mind, I think I already know the answer to that question. Here begins another week of me contacting that asshole Tim Murphy from my congressional district and talk to one of his 20 something year olds who take messages "from the people" which go unanswered from those who represent them.

Six voted against this bill? Damned Sonofabitches...

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:20 PM
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9. I ask myself those same questions
Why don't newspapers explain to people what these different "acts" mean?

The thing is, as noted in the Boston Globe article, this has been an orchestrated effort, a planned and enacted plot to define the president as "more than" a person.. as a person who is above the law.

Want to help me find out about any threats of terrorism, etc. at the time that these acts were under consideration? I know the American Friends had a list back before 2004 that listed many of the false alarms along the way.

The most egregious, of course, was the anthrax threat and the patriot act. There is no way that anyone can convince me that the two were coincidental. But that is a subject that may not be breached or investigatedc by the msm. And so the anthrax terrorist is still free to work here.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:21 PM
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10. And, as you well know, nobody's concerned about the anthrax, cause it only got mailed...
... to the liberals that Ann Coulter and Bill-O would rather see nailed up.

Thanks for the ear, I somehow don't feel as bad and will therefore "find my center" cause I think we need to move beyond the maddness. :grouphug:

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:15 PM
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8. There should be no wonder why a rethug controlled congress OR......
a Democratic controlled congress do absolutely NOTHING. It is apparent that it has become US versus THEM; THEM being the WH, congress, scotus, corporate anti-america and the criminals of wall street and their investors. This latest attack on the Constitution is designed to silence the dissenters.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:54 PM
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11. HR 1955 has been referred to Senate Committee after being received from the House
Copy of the bill, for anyone interested (This document is not subject to the four paragraph copyright limits, we OWN this document, it's ours).

It's not a bad idea to read precisely what the document says.

Check out the pork at the end:


    H. R. 1955

    IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

    October 24, 2007
    Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs


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    AN ACT
    To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.


    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.

    SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

    (a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:

    `Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism

    `SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

    `For purposes of this subtitle:

    `(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

    `(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

    `(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

    `(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

    `SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

    `The Congress finds the following:

    `(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.

    `(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

    `(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

    `(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.

    `(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.

    `(6) Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.

    `(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.

    `(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

    `(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.

    `SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

    `(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.

    `(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

    `(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

    `(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

    `(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;

    `(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

    `(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.

    `(c) Composition of Commission- The Commission shall be composed of 10 members appointed for the life of the Commission, of whom--

    `(1) one member shall be appointed by the President from among officers or employees of the executive branch and private citizens of the United States;

    `(2) one member shall be appointed by the Secretary;

    `(3) one member shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;

    `(4) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate;

    `(5) one member shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;

    `(6) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives;

    `(7) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;

    `(8) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;

    `(9) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate; and

    `(10) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.

    `(d) Chair and Vice Chair- The Commission shall elect a Chair and a Vice Chair from among its members.

    `(e) Qualifications- Individuals shall be selected for appointment to the Commission solely on the basis of their professional qualifications, achievements, public stature, experience, and expertise in relevant fields, including, but not limited to, behavioral science, constitutional law, corrections, counterterrorism, cultural anthropology, education, information technology, intelligence, juvenile justice, local law enforcement, organized crime, Islam and other world religions, sociology, or terrorism.

    `(f) Deadline for Appointment- All members of the Commission shall be appointed no later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this subtitle.

    `(g) Quorum and Meetings- The Commission shall meet and begin the operations of the Commission not later than 30 days after the date on which all members have been appointed or, if such meeting cannot be mutually agreed upon, on a date designated by the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Each subsequent meeting shall occur upon the call of the Chair or a majority of its members. A majority of the members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number may hold meetings.

    `(h) Authority of Individuals to Act for Commission- Any member of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action that the Commission is authorized to take under this Act.

    `(i) Powers of Commission- The powers of the Commission shall be as follows:

    `(1) IN GENERAL-

    `(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.

    `(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.

    `(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES-

    `(A) IN GENERAL- The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent practicable and authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.

    `(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- The Committee and its staff shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate information in a manner consistent with the operative statutes, regulations, and Executive orders that govern the handling, storage, and dissemination of such information at the department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality that responds to the request.

    `(j) Assistance From Federal Agencies-

    `(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission's functions.

    `(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.

    `(k) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.

    `(l) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.

    `(m) Public Meetings-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate.

    `(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order including subsection (i)(2)(B).

    `(n) Staff of Commission-

    `(1) APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION- The Chair of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chair and in accordance with rules adopted by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its functions, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such title relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the maximum rate of pay for GS-15 under the General Schedule.

    `(2) STAFF EXPERTISE- Individuals shall be selected for appointment as staff of the Commission on the basis of their expertise in one or more of the fields referred to in subsection (e).

    `(3) PERSONNEL AS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES-

    `(A) IN GENERAL- The executive director and any employees of the Commission shall be employees under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code, for purposes of chapters 63, 81, 83, 84, 85, 87, 89, and 90 of that title.

    `(B) MEMBERS OF COMMISSION- Subparagraph (A) shall not be construed to apply to members of the Commission.

    `(4) DETAILEES- Any Federal Government employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and during such detail shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of his or her regular employment without interruption.

    `(5) CONSULTANT SERVICES- The Commission may procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, but at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.

    `(6) EMPHASIS ON SECURITY CLEARANCES- The Commission shall make it a priority to hire as employees and retain as contractors and detailees individuals otherwise authorized by this section who have active security clearances.

    `(o) Commission Personnel Matters-

    `(1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS- Each member of the Commission who is not an employee of the government shall be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.

    `(2) TRAVEL EXPENSES- While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, at rates authorized for employees of agencies under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, while away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission.

    `(3) TRAVEL ON ARMED FORCES CONVEYANCES- Members and personnel of the Commission may travel on aircraft, vehicles, or other conveyances of the Armed Forces of the United States when such travel is necessary in the performance of a duty of the Commission, unless the cost of commercial transportation is less expensive.

    `(4) TREATMENT OF SERVICE FOR PURPOSES OF RETIREMENT BENEFITS- A member of the Commission who is an annuitant otherwise covered by section 8344 or 8468 of title 5, United States Code, by reason of membership on the Commission shall not be subject to the provisions of such section with respect to membership on the Commission.

    `(5) VACANCIES- A vacancy on the Commission shall not affect its powers and shall be filled in the manner in which the original appointment was made. The appointment of the replacement member shall be made not later than 60 days after the date on which the vacancy occurs.

    `(p) Security Clearances- The heads of appropriate departments and agencies of the executive branch shall cooperate with the Commission to expeditiously provide Commission members and staff with appropriate security clearances to the extent possible under applicable procedures and requirements.

    `(q) Reports-

    `(1) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report of its findings and conclusions, legislative recommendations for immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States, and any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes. The report may also be accompanied by a classified annex.

    `(2) INTERIM REPORTS- The Commission shall submit to the President and Congress--

    `(A) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, a first interim report on--

    `(i) its findings and conclusions and legislative recommendations for the purposes described in paragraph (1); and

    `(ii) its recommendations on the feasibility of a grant program established and administered by the Secretary for the purpose of preventing, disrupting, and mitigating the effects of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and, if such a program is feasible, recommendations on how grant funds should be used and administered; and

    `(B) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission submits the interim report under subparagraph (A), a second interim report on such matters.

    `(3) INDIVIDUAL OR DISSENTING VIEWS- Each member of the Commission may include in each report under this subsection the individual additional or dissenting views of the member.

    `(4) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY- The Commission shall release a public version of each report required under this subsection.

    `(r) Availability of Funding- Amounts made available to the Commission to carry out this section shall remain available until the earlier of the expenditure of the amounts or the termination of the Commission.

    `(s) Termination of Commission- The Commission shall terminate 30 days after the date on which the Commission submits its final report.

    `SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

    `(a) Establishment- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States (hereinafter referred to as `Center') following the merit-review processes and procedures and other limitations that have been previously established for selecting and supporting University Programs Centers of Excellence.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:20 PM
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12. Thank you for posting the bill n/t

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:23 PM
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13. No, this is what democracy's DEATH looks like. Grrrecommended
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:32 PM
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14. This is intended to completely destabilize this nation.
This will provoke Americans to riot, which is exactly what they want.



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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:36 AM
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15. anyone have the roll call on HR 1955? . . .
who were the six reps who voted against it? . . . anyone know? . . .
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:30 AM
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16. Breakdowns on votes available here
GovTrack vote on Oct. 23, 2007.

The vote was held under a suspension of the rules to cut debate short and pass the bill, needing a two-thirds majority. The totals were 404 Ayes, 6 Nays, 22 Present/Not Voting.

Both republicans and democrats voted against it.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:00 AM
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17. for the sake of a larger view...
Perry Logan notes that this congress has stopped BushCo in roll calls more than any congress in the last 50 years.

The fact remains, however, that the BushCo security state marches on.
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