Name Some Things That You Believe Are Uncompromisable

[WillyT]

What I am asking here, for instance, is at what point are the basic tenets of the Constitution allowed to be politically compromised upon? I realize that the entire document sets out a plan for checks, balances, and compromise, but I always thought that significant changes to the Constitution had to be made through the Amendment process, with tinkering at the margins being in the hands of the Congress, and interpreted\overseen by the Courts.

By what right does ANYBODY get to mess with Habeas Corpus, warrant-less wiretapping, or torture (cruel and unusual punishment)?

Those, to name just three, seem to me to be out of the realm of political compromise, and into the realm of Constitutional Amendment!

At what point did BOTH parties jump the shark on our basic Constitutional foundations?

:shrug:

[spanone]

1. it happened when the supreme court installed george w. bu$h*

[Rex]

3. Yep.

December 12th 2000.

[opihimoimoi]

4. Yup....Constitution???...its tissue paper under the W

[The Straight Story]

2. Because people in BOTH parties think YOU are too irresponsible to be free

It's all about control and fear, and forcing people to live how we think they should live.

And on the left, we have done that by tying everyone's lives into everyone else's - ie, what you do you in your life may impact mine somehow so we need to control it.

What you eat, what and where you smoke, and so on is tied into higher health care costs (as an example) so what you do in your own home is something to be monitored, controlled, and/or punished.

Children - anything that may affect them is now game, your kids and your the parent, but we know best for them.

Everything has a place - but you have to draw a line somewhere and not cross it. But the line is gone and more and more we want into the lives of people and the choices they make (and convincing people they don't have a choice, like the whole smoking in bars thing - people talk about the waiters there and how they are forced to work there and breathe it in - I thought we had a free country where people could choose who to not work for, but I guess I am wrong. And patrons, well hell they are forced to go to such places as well).

It's all about control from both sides. REAL diversity is dead, because it requires a lot of freedom to put with people we don't agree with.

Control the choices, limit them, punish them - rule them. Cause some don't believe we are smart enough to live our lives without them in it - and it is none of their damned business how I live my life. Freedom over your own body means not only the right to have an abortion, but to do a lot of other things as well FREELY.

We lost our freedoms when people decided 99% of what I do affects them and their costs.

We were more free in 1880 than we are today, and it will only get worse.

[cali]

6. I buy a lot of what you say but

I'm a woman. I would not have been more free in 1880. Nor would many other people.

[The Straight Story]

8. I can agree with that

I meant in general freedom sense.

There is no reason we cannot be still have those freedoms and MORE - and while some got the freedoms they should have all along, as a whole it seems the country has lost freedoms.

To me progress is increasing everyone's freedoms, not decreasing them.

[Rex]

10. Progress IMO would be actually regulating corporations and respecting

privacy laws. Restoring the Fairness Doctrine and doing away with the War Powers Act. Sad we have to work or way back to that point.

[The Straight Story]

11. Damned good start

I am with you on that my friend and an excellent post!

[Rex]

Thanks.

We gotta stick together. Too many people want to keep DU Dems divided. :toast:

[hfojvt]

19. I feel more free in some sense than 15 years ago

because now I do not have people blowing their smoke at me at work. I am not trying to restrict anyone's freedom to fill their own body with nicotine and tar, but I am happier not having to breathe it myself.

Requiring all bars to be smoke free though, seems kinda ridiculous.

[stray cat]

5. When the American people became largely apathetic about it.

and generally uninformed about civics, government and world affairs.

[Catshrink]

7. The right to privacy.

Stay out of my email.
Stay off my phone line.
Stay off my ISP record.
Stay out of my bedroom.
Stay out of my MVD files.
Stay out of my income tax returns.
Stay out of my bank accounts.
Stay out of my charge account records.
Stay out of my employment records.
Stay out of my credit report.
Stay out of my grocery store card records.
Stay out of my educational records.
Stay out of my cable company files.
Stay out of my library records.
Stay out of my utility records.

[The Straight Story]

9. here here - especially the credit report crap

I pay more for auto insurance, and never had an accident or ticket, and I am 42 - I pay more because of poor credit.

[Catshrink]

12. Dang! I forgot insurance!

Oh well. I'm sure I forgot a lot of things. But it's my stuff and the government has no business prying into it. Not that I've ever given them a reason to -- but even so, even though I have "nothing to hide," it's my business.

PS -- for the credit stuff, check out this website: www.creditboards.com

They have great information. I had some trouble because of someone with a similar name. I was getting all kinds of harrassing phone calls. They taught me how to deal with them and get them to stop calling.

edited because I spell like freeper.

[WillyT]

14. Hey TSS... They Get Ya Comin And Goin...

There was congressional testimony a while back that revealed that if you paid your credit card bills if full every month, keeping a zero balance, you were deemed a "deadbeat" by the credit card companies because they were not making enough money off of you.

They want you to be in their debt, not paid up.

Alice through the fucking looking glass!

:mad:

[The Straight Story]

17. And yet when they are in debt

The banks and government hand em money to keep em afloat, and when they can't back on time they have an excuse but won't listen to yours.

[virginia mountainman]

13. THE WHOLE THING....

Including the 2nd Amendment... IF we argue that the 1st is so inclusive, why don't we view the rest of them with the same zeal??

[proud patriot]

15. Read my signature line

[WillyT]

16. Amen Trish, Amen !!!

:bounce::hi::bounce:

:loveya:

[jody]

18. All inalienable rights covered by the BOR are to be protected by government and should not be

compromised unless in extreme cases.