Regarding waterboarding--why don't we call it somthing more descriptive?

[blondeatlast]

Simulated drowning comes to mind, but isn't really adequately descriptive of what occurs. "Waterboarding" doesn't even come close, though.

Any ideas?

[The Magistrate]

1. The Old Army Term Ma'am, Was 'The Water Cure', Back In The Philipine War

No one was under any illusions what they were doing....

"Underneath the Starry Flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. It isn't simulated drowning; it's actual drowning that they stop

just before the person suffocates because of the water in their lungs. I'd call it partial drowning.

[vireo]

4. Or "controlled drowning"

[WillyT]

3. How 'Bout Just Plain Old 'Water Torture' ???

Gotta get the word 'torture' in there every chance we get.

:shrug:

[alfredo]

10. I agree. Water torture is torture using water.

Mention the use by the Vietcong, Pol Pot, and the Spanish Inquisition. Go into graphic detail. Emphasize the terror one feels, and the long lasting damage done to the victim. Describe the water being force into the lungs and stomach. Describe straining at the straps, the torturer sitting on you chest. Barbaric, inhuman, criminal are words to use.

[sandnsea]

5. Water Suffocation n/t

[ClassWarrior]

8. That's where my mind went.

NGU.

[Sugar Smack]

6. Suffocation.

The word alone makes me a little twitchy.

[blondeatlast]

7. Yours and sandnsea's are much more descriptive than waterboarding..

Anyone who's ever been deprived of air for even a short time will kmow how terrifying it is.

[Sugar Smack]

9. I have been suffocated for all of 4 seconds but with the presence of mind

to know I could die because of this. Being concious during this would be torture, without a doubt. And holding your breath is different. I can do that for over 2 minutes, because I'm at my own mercy in that situation.

[Rex]

11. Water torture.

I'm surprised they don't use water-paper torture to kill...er...extract 'information' from who knows but them.

[malaise]

12. like

TORTURE
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[WinkyDink]

13. "Torture" will do. The "boarding" part was to conjure "surfboard" ; aka, FUN!

[Hekate]

14. Drowning-torture. Says it all. Toss in a reference to WW II war crimes trials while you're at it...

...most people these days being too ignorant to understand a reference to the Spanish Inquisition.

The Magistrate's recollection about "the water cure" is chilling in context all right, but like the phrase "waterboarding" it fails to convey the horror to those who don't already understand what the context really is. I think it's a good idea to reframe the public conversation as often as possible.

Drowning-torture. Bring back the rack and the thumb-screws while you're at it, Cheney.

Hekate

[blondeatlast]

15. I think there are enough who will recall Pol Pot and the Viet Cong

to make that particular reference worthwhile.

You are absolutely correct that the issue needs to be reframed and you know the term "waterboarding" is no accident. I smell Frank Luntz behind it.

And the practice is so reprehensible I wouldn't with it on him--or anyone else.

[L. Coyote]

17. "Drowning torture" are a fit adjactive and noun set.

No hyphen needed.

"USA Torture Day" A MASS waterboarding protest organized nationally for the Mukasey vote? ??

Would you be willing to undergo waterboarding as the Senate Judiciary votes on Mukasey?
How many people around the country and the world would you expect to participate?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2208375

[Trillo]

18. Shorten to drowningtorture,

or torturedrowning.

neartorturedrowning

near drowning torture

[blondeatlast]

16. Kicking this to suggest DU*ers start using more accurate terminology. I will

call it water torture from now on.

[Cleita]

19. How about debased, barbaric and sadistic torment with

the intent of producing pain and terror.

[Javaman]

20. How about a "near death" experience. nt