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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 01:51 PM
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Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime
Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime

By Evan Wallach
Sunday, November 4, 2007; Page B01


As a JAG in the Nevada National Guard, I used to lecture the soldiers of the 72nd Military Police Company every year about their legal obligations when they guarded prisoners. I'd always conclude by saying, "I know you won't remember everything I told you today, but just remember what your mom told you: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." That's a pretty good standard for life and for the law, and even though I left the unit in 1995, I like to think that some of my teaching had carried over when the 72nd refused to participate in misconduct at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

Sometimes, though, the questions we face about detainees and interrogation get more specific. One such set of questions relates to "waterboarding."

That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed. The media usually characterize the practice as "simulated drowning." That's incorrect. To be effective, waterboarding is usually real drowning that simulates death. That is, the victim experiences the sensations of drowning: struggle, panic, breath-holding, swallowing, vomiting, taking water into the lungs and, eventually, the same feeling of not being able to breathe that one experiences after being punched in the gut. The main difference is that the drowning process is halted. According to those who have studied waterboarding's effects, it can cause severe psychological trauma, such as panic attacks, for years.

The United States knows quite a bit about waterboarding. The U.S. government -- whether acting alone before domestic courts, commissions and courts-martial or as part of the world community -- has not only condemned the use of water torture but has severely punished those who applied it.

After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."
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Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 01:52 PM
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1. it still is, in the civilized world.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 02:04 PM
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2. Whenever the "it's not really torture" BS comes up...
I always think, "What would happen if someone were caught doing this to a child or family pet?"
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 02:09 PM
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3. I just say, "so let's do it to you and see what you think"
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 02:35 PM
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4. It still is if a Dem would be in charge.
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 02:35 PM by yourout
If the tables were turned Bill Clinton would have been impeached by the end of the day.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 03:09 PM
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5. Yeah, back in the good ol' days of Habeas Corpus. nt
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 03:45 PM
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6. Is it now acceptable for us to waterboard are leaders
instead of using lobbyists? After all its an acceptable form of persuasion...
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