CNN: The Noose

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An American Nightmare

The noose, a symbol of hatred from America’s dark past, has resurfaced. Why is it back? CNN’s Kyra Phillips investigates the shocking history of the noose and its re-emergence across the United States. Watch Saturday and Sunday at 8 p.m. ET.

I hope this settles the arguments in DU that alleges the Noose is some benign symbol.

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1. I'm fascinated by the similarity of the noose,

and the business tie. The knot is similar, while the number of twists is abbreviated in the business tie. They don't look much alike because one is made with round rope, and the other with flat ribbon shaped material, often silk.

What fascinates me is that the noose is such a horrific symbol to some: yet a business tie is considered mandatory for some jobs, occupations, and even events.

Business tie and noose, same symbol.

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4. You know nothing about knots. They aren't even close.

Have you ever tied noose?

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5. Ah, yes, the quick judgment call.

You actually expect me to answer a question of yours after that groundless statement.

Go pound sand and hope your tan turns bland.

For anyone else, you can find the various knots online, and how to tie them. I didn't write they were exactly the same, only quite similar.

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8. ..

12 Knots in the Hangman’s Noose = KKK

"The hangman's noose has got 12 knots on it," said union representative Ralph Merriweather. "12 knots by the Ku Klux Klan indicated it took 12 knots to hang a black man, to break his neck to kill him."

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19. The picture on the front page of the CNN story only shows 5 loops.

The picture on Noose incidents: Foolish pranks or pure hate shows 6 loops.

I'd venture a guess that a noose doesn't need only, and precisely, 12 loops to be considered a racial slam.

[Blue_Roses]

9. No comparison

one is voluntarily tied around the neck and the other isn't.

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14. In a job that is needed to pay the bills and that "requires" wearing

a business tie, that tie is worn "voluntarily"? :rofl:

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12. I just took a piece of rope that I have,

and tied it like I would for a &imgrefurl=http://www.execstyle.com/TieKnots.asp&h=153&w=493&sz=6&tbnid=QDtFSMbpBj_GpM:&tbnh=40&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtying%2Bnecktie%26um%3D1&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2
">business tie, but instead of one twist around, I used 4. In the linked image, it would be extra wraps around that correlate to steps 1-3. The knot was finished, or tied off, just as in steps 4-6.

It looks much like a classic hangman's noose, even though there are some differences upon close examination. I wouldn't want to put it anywhere where people might take offense.

Further, the action of the knots are similar. While the classic hangman's noose and my modified tie knot are slightly different, both are just slip knots.

edit: added link

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2. First, MSNBC with its proclivity with pedophiles.

Now it's CNN with lurid nooses.
What's next - Fox dragging democrats through the gutter? Oh wait.

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3. Noose a "benign" symbol?

who the heck is saying that? :shrug: I just can't imagine any but "disruptors" saying that...

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11. DU Post

Is it a noose or necktie?

"I think its symbology is more complicated than that and depends very much on context."

[EFerrari]

13. I think that argument was put to rest when the poster was directed

to google "necktie party".

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15. Yes, it was. n/t

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6. Does anybody watch Criminal Minds

The young guy came out dressed for Halloween. He had on a rubber mask and a noose around his neck..A big rope one. I have heard absolutely nothing on the news about it. I guess the republicans don't watch TV they too buy visiting bathrooms I guess. Craig visited one again, lost his watch. One of the other republicans got caught in a sting in a Sears building bathroom. Oh well I think bathrooms are scarier than a noose. I tell my son when I go in the bathroom at WalMart if I don't come out in ten minutes break the door down.

And while I am talking about bathrooms, this is real...A long time ago when I was young and sexy (and I am just under five feet) our group went out to a place where you could dance and they had a bar. Well our group were sitting at a table in view of the bathroom. Some of the people were dancing and my husband had gone to get himself a beer. Well this mature woman came up to me sitting at the table and asked where was the bathroom. I had seen her there before so I said annoyed like, it's right over there you can see it from here, and forgot about it. Well about 20 minutes the 7'up's I drank caught up to me and I went to the bathroom. I was washing my hands and adjusting my skirt when the door burst open and in came this woman. She started smiling and simpering and said oh I watched and saw you come in here. She started toward me from the door, and I panicked and ducked under her arm and headed for the door. when I got outside there stood my husband and one of the other males. They said they saw her head across the floor when I went in and if I hadn't come out they would come in after me. They told me every body at the place knew she was a lesbian, BUT ME. So maybe both sexes use the bathroom as an encounter place.

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7. ..

CNN examines noose displays

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate crimes, said that the apparent increase in noose incidents is, in part, reaction to the news coverage of the "Jena 6".

Since September, the SPLC has recorded between 40 and 50 suspected hate crimes involving nooses, one involving two people traveling the road to Jena during the protests in a pickup truck with nooses affixed to the bumper.

"Tens of thousands of white people, if not more, feel that the events in Jena were grossly misportrayed by a politically correct media that twisted what was , really, a six-on-one, black-on-white hate crime into an instance of the oppression of black people," Potok said. "That accounts, in part, for a backlash."

And then there's the well-documented effect in the "corporate" environment:


While the Department of Justice doesn't keep track of noose-specific offenses, the government published a report in 2000 showing an increase of nooses in professional environments.
And The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission says the race-baiting technique still creeps up in professional environments. There have been at least 20 lawsuits involving nooses in the workplace since 2001.

Of the 5,500 racial harassment charge filings in 2006, anecdotal information from EEOC field offices suggests that some involved nooses, but the agency is unable to quantify that data, according to EEOC spokesman David Grinberg.


On Wednesday, seven black workers employed by an Oklahoma-based drilling company won a $290,000 settlement in a discrimination lawsuit which claimed they felt threatened by the display of a noose on a Gulf of Mexico oil rig.

"It's time for corporate America to be more proactive in preventing and eliminating racist behavior," said EEOC Chairwoman Naomi C. Earp. "The EEOC intends to make clear that race and color discrimination in the workplace, whether verbal or behavioral, is unacceptable and will not be tolerated."

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10. I watched it the other night...

Kyra Phillips did a good job. I'm finding a new respect for her.

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16. you are way f'n off base think'n anyone except the resident trolls believe it's benign

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18. FYI, flashl, I alerted on your question.

This might be a valuable technique, to ask if another DUer is a troll, instead of saying they are, as a method of usurping DU's rules.

Hope the flash ends up in the trash.

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20. And, what useful dialog was you adding to the topic? n/t