Each time credence is given a speaker cause they aren't Dems or Liberals, an Angel loses its wings!

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

I keep hearing it over and over, whether it is from pundits either left or right wing, as well as from politicians across the spectrum.

John Warner supports the non-binding resolution and he is no wild liberal. Pat Robertson acknowledges global warming and he isn't some wild eyed liberal. (no he's a wild eyed fundamentie).

Am I the only one who finds it alarming, because it is discounting the liberal or Democratic perspective as not valid or objective.

The enormous irony is that we all know which party has made more statements without credibility, and it isn't the liberals and Democrats.

At the very least, could we ask our own party members to cut it out?

I mean bipartisan efforts are one thing, but this is kind of self-destructive or so I fear for our side.

What happens when we really want to pass a bill and there are almost no GOP'ers supporting it? I don't want to find we've painted ourselves into a corner that we can only escape with the assistance of those unassailable paragons of virtue - the right wing GOP. :sarcasm:

People have voted for change, they are the source of our mandate, our power. Not the few stray GOP'ers, who are as welcome as can be IMO, who at this time are supporting some of the same issues we do. Whether they do it from true conviction or political expediency and fear after the last election, fact is they had a LOT of years to start making the same changes.

They did NOT do so.

The people are smart enough to have wanted to dump them from power. The people are smart enough to know we don't have rely on the agreement of members of the discredited now minority party for validity and credence for our beliefs, IMO.

[ThomCat]

1. That has been standard in the media since at least Reagan.

We are only given credit if we support concervative ideas, or if they support ours. By ourselves we're ridiculed, minimized or ignored by the talking heads.
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[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

2. Time to start changing that perception. First by asking our

side to stop acting like their pov isn't valid without GOP backup.

Second by drawing it to the attention of the media, and challenging them as to which ideological group in our society has been wild-eyed and should have to present triple evidence of any assertion they make after all the lies they have told.

Just a thought, but one that seems important to me.

:)

[MADem]

3. Remember that old, offensive remark--"You're a credit to your RACE?"

Well, this stuff smells a little bit like the same thing. There's an implied insult wrapped up in the package.

But, there could be a valid reason for it--here's my thought:

BIPARTISAN is a fine way of explaining an issue everyone can get behind. Of course, you have to understand the meaning of the word. Unfortunately, rightwing dunces, and many of them ARE stupid (you've seen the polls about their level of education and so forth) see "BI" and they automatically think "SEXUAL." And they can't have THAT, can they? It's just one notch over from that "Q" word!!!

So, the only way they can sell an idea to these ninnies is not to use any dangerous "BI" words, but instead to hold up an icon of the right to assuage their feelings of angst, to assure them that it's OK to support something that in the past they may have denigrated: "See, even Jeeeesus H. Christ supports this measure!!!"

They're dragging the dunces towards the middle with this language. It's tiresome, but I guess there's no other way to move them over.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

4. Yea, or that "compliment:" you don't SEEM Jewish

So in other words I don't SEEM like all those OTHER people with whom I share a heritage if not a religious practice and you think saying that to me is a compliment?

That means you don't like something about the people I share that heritage with, and I guess I am one of "good ones," since I don't SEEM like them.

:puke:

[Nite Owl]

5. I'm so with you on tthis

It is something that the dems need to learn, how to frame everything that they say. It's like they were brainwashed into saying that such and such is reallya 'conservative' thing to do. This ranges from 'fiscally conservative' to foreign policy and 'family values'. They need to stop using the word, stop holding up the right wing ideals and use different language. Fiscally responsible should be used for example. The conservative movement has done nothing to help America and they certainly aren't fiscally responsible and they have messed up our foreign policies over and over. The dems need to really claim the victory and stop using their terms and their heroes.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

6. I like my elected representatives who are liberals best when they think on their feet.

This particular thing would be like if women were trying to pass some bill in Congress, and in order to validate their bill they kept saying and the media kept saying that there is male support for the bill. It isn't JUST supported by women, like having only female support would be meaningless.

If used extremely rarely, just to get a foot in the door with some bill or position on an issue, it wouldn't be so bad.

It is the constant repetition by the media, and even by Democrats with powerful positions in the Senate and House that concerns me.

I do believe we've made huge inroads into "liberal" becoming, as it used to be in the USA and is still in most other societies, a very normal and acceptable political perspective.

I'm very proud of us all for that.

I also want it to continue.

We might win a skirmish with drawing validation from the non Liberals, non Democrats. But I think we're contributing to losing the long term campaign.

In this short sound byte oriented world in which we live, I'm not sure if it would be possible to fill in what I'm sure most Democrats actually mean when they say it (and expect people to actually hear them).

Which might be that:

We know that liberals and Democrats have been the long time target of a campaign to label us Un-American, whacky, wild eyed.

For anyone who has bought into that propaganda. For anyone who is concerned that the resolutions against escalating the war are coming from a group that actually is Un-American, whacky, wild eyed: Take note that there are a lot of GOP reps and Senators supporting the bill too.

Oh and by the way, it wasn't liberals talking about being greeted with candy and flowers in Iraq, and all the other wildly wrong predictions on Iraq. It was a whole different group, aka the powers that be at the moment in the GOP.