Hillary is a fake

[Generator]

That's it. I just grabbed into what it is. Why she riles me so. She is not what she claims to be. A feminist. For women. For children. For health care. You can't be for those things AND be a war monger. (oh harsh-I know-how about ~it's not time to leave Iraq just yet and I won't admit it's wrong because it's time to move forward and not look back~-war monger is a wee bit shorter, yes?)

Let's imagine not one of our precious young soldiers have died. Or the how many thousands-70 thousand now? that have been seriously wounded. Let's just make that have never happened.

Okay still...all those Iraqi deaths-many of them women and children. How many-oh I know it's debatable. A hundred thousand? Fifty thousand? Anyway let's say NONE of those happened either. (How can you be pro-woman, pro child and be pro war, especially pro-preventive unnecessary war?)

Still let's talk Republican. MONEY. Well, money isn't just for Republicans unless you are a defense contractor.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0518,lombardi,63597,5.html

It's a sentiment echoed over and over by local defense experts, most of whom have nothing but praise for the senator. "I haven't heard anyone say anything negative," says U.S. Congressman Peter King, a Long Island Republican. "They are pleased with her, and they tell me that every chance they get."

Adds George Hockbrueckner, a D.C. lobbyist for New York defense companies: "She gets the job done, and people love her for it."

And why wouldn't they? Defense and military folks give Clinton high marks for listening to their concerns, promoting their products, leveraging her ties to the Pentagon —in effect, for classic constituent services. At the same time, no one thinks her position on Armed Services can offer more than a marginal benefit to New York.
~

Oh and yeah that money thing? How about the billions and billions that could have (a least a half billion here or there) have gone towards-women, women's health, children, children's health, education, jobs, infrastructure. How many children have died or will lead lesser lives because of the money they don't have to tend to them that is feeding the Iraq war?

Instead her priority is money for defense contractors. Her priority is getting the right people to line up to support her bid for president. I don't trust her. She's not who we want her to be. The woman that can finally be president and be a feminist and represent us. She may talk that way at times and she may even believe that's what she wants, but her support of war make it impossible. You cannot be pro-war and be pro-woman and pro-child.

War is the worst thing in the world for all women and children. It's really that simple.

[illinoisprogressive]

1. thought provoking. War and corporate support.

[bigluckyfeet]

2. I Could Not Agree

More!

[durrrty libby]

3. She didn't start the god damn war. get over yourself

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Hillary supported the war when it was politically favorable...

and only started making noise when the public clearly turned against it.

Get over that.

[durrrty libby]

20. The dems were in the minority and had no say as to whether

or not boosh got his war

Go ahead..don't support Clinton, but don't do it for

FAKE reasons. Then again that is how the simple-minded cope.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Supporting the war's a very real reason for me.

Especially considering there are plenty of dems who never did.

And is she really against the war now? Or is she just playing to the polls? I don't think she gives a shit either way. Which is why I agreed with the word "fake."

[motocicleta]

43. Let me ask a simple-minded question

Are you sure she is against the war now? Me, aw shucks, I can't tell, since she voted for it in the past, and I frankly don't see her working very hard to end it.

If you really like Hillary, perhaps you should ignore these threads, rather than come in and insult your fellow DUers.

Cheers!

[tabasco]

44. It was terrible judgment and/or moral cowardice to vote for the IWR.

The fact that the measure was passed by a majority hardly excuses anyone who voted for it.

FAKE REASONS?? Tell these guys and girls:



It really amazes me the lengths to which supporters of war candidates will deny the importance of the IWR. I think your post effectively demonstrates who is "simple-minded" in this discussion. Hint: Look in a mirror.

[Captain Hilts]

64. People thought it would force the UN's hand to do something. nt

[JackRiddler]

91. The Social Democrats were in the minority...

in Germany in 1933, but they found it in themselves to vote against Hitler's enabling act. And they paid a real price.

What price would HRC or Kerry or Edwards or any of these frauds have paid, had they voted against the Bush proposal of a war of aggression on a country that presented no threat to the US? Where would they be now? Each exactly in the same place, except having done the right thing instead of the wrong thing.

Cowards and frauds.

[AtomicKitten]

29. no different than

Kerry and Edwards reversing their position on the war. Is there a reason only HRC gets tagged with this? Just wondering.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. Oh, I think they're fakes too.

It's especially disappointing in Kerry's case, considering.

[AtomicKitten]

39. it is very upsetting to me

because it's a matter literally of life and death. I can take flip-flopping on just about anything else. But a cosmic revelation AFTER THE FACT when hundreds of thousands of people have died in the interim is unforgivable at least in my book.

[JNelson6563]

107. In a way it is though, IMO at least

Some of the others who voted for the IWR were no surprises to me. I expect most politicians, especially the more ambitious ones to do things like vote for the IWR because it would seem just short of political suicide to do anything else.

As I mentioned in another post today, what made it so different for Hillary, at least in my mind, was that she had come out with that whole Vast Right Wing Conspiracy charge. So right she was! I thought it so bold of her to do so, not to mention accurate! I was so delighted that she knew about this long-term, off-the-radar massive manipulation that had been going on and was dragging it out into the light!

Then, to see her also get sucked into the trap of voting for the IWR told me one of two things, neither of them favorable to her: 1. She didn't fully grasp the VRWC was not about destroying Bill (and for good measure, her) but something much, much bigger and more ominous that she and Bill were not a part of (and therefore must be destroyed--with us or agin' us and all that PNAC crap). Or...2. She was not better than the other sell-outs who were too scared to vote against it.

Like I said neither makes her look good. I can't even bring myself to consider the third possible option that crosses my mind....

So yes AK, I'd say that I personally had a bit more in the way of higher expectations for Hillary that I did some of the others. I won't make that mistake again.

Julie

[moodforaday]

112. Maybe

Maybe in 2004 there wasn't really much choice. Now there could be.

[Captain Hilts]

57. She voted for presidential authority to enforce UN sanctions. After all the crap...

that Bubba went through to tie his hands, she wasn't going to vote 'no'.

[MannyGoldstein]

13. You're Thinking That She Did Her Job On The IWR?

What about the Dems that voted against it? Were they asleep at the wheel?

War making is the very most important thing that a legislator votes on. Other policies can be stopped if the go awry. War is not so simple to stop. Amd a lot of people get killed, wounded, and have lives destroyed. And they cost a lot of money.

Shame on those legislators that voted to authorize a half-baked President to go to war against a regime that was clearly well contained.

[durrrty libby]

22. See # 20. I'm done with simpletons today

[fafafafa12]

30. Don't forget the regime was acknowledged to clearly contain...

Murder, WMD and violations of UN resolutions.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. WMDs...

yeah, whatever happened to those?

:rofl:

[SaveElmer]

37. In October 2002...

Virtually every IWR opponent acknowledged WMD's in Iraq...go take a look at their statements if you doubt it...

That intelligence had been forged did not come to light until 2003 and after!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. I was an IWR opponent. I didn't acknowledge it.

In fact it was pretty clear to me then that Bush was making that shit up. Even if Saddam had WMDs, which he obviously hadn't, there was still no justification for this dumb war.

[SaveElmer]

42. So you had some inside knowledge...

That Russ Feingold, Ted Kennedy, and Paul Wellstone didn't have?

[JackRiddler]

93. Yes.

I had it from Scott Ritter, chief field inspector of the UN mission to Iraq, who testified first hand how he oversaw the destruction not just of the Iraqi WMDs, but of the Iraqi industrial capacity to make WMDs. I had it from Hans Blix, who didn't find any on his mission before he was interrupted by the invasion. I had it from simple logic and publicly available information that allowed me and millions of others to know that every statement made by Powell at his presentation to the UN on Feb. 6, 2003 was a lie. Too bad Feingold and other opponents of IWR were too lazy to do that, or just fearful enough not to make such "radical statements" (viz. tell the whole truth regardless of perceived ideological necessity).

Nevertheless, they did the right thing and voted against the proposed war of aggression. They are not responsible for it. Those legislators who voted for the war of aggression are responsible for it. That's the point here.

[ProfessorGAC]

97. Didn't Need Inside Informaton

It was appallingly obvious that with inspectors crawling into every hole and cabniet, there weren't any serious programs. In addition, the cat & mouse, given the technology of now, was a silly little thing for Saddam to pretend to have bad weapons to hold the region at bay. It had nothing to do with a threat to us, and was all a ruse by Saddam to fool his neighbors. We HAD to know there were no weapons. Anyone who did is a fool.
The Professor

[ProfessorGAC]

98. Dupe

.

[moodforaday]

114. You know what makes me really sick?

Statemtns like those. Oh we didn't know, we were misled, everybody thought Saddam had WMD. Bull. They could have asked ME. I read, I listened to Hans Blix, I listened to Scott Ritter, I knew the story of Camel Hussein, who had told the US *years before* Saddam had all but dismantled his WMDs... The information WAS THERE. Almost everyone - the administration, the Congress, the press, and most of the people - preferred to look the other way.

You guys could hase asked **me**. Or hundreds of other people on DU alone. A lot of people would still be alive today. Don't tell anyone you were misled and don't believe anyone who tells you so. If you believe a high-ranking politician was "misled", you averted your eyes to the reality THEN, and you're averting them NOW.

[fafafafa12]

38. Saddam used them on the kurds and Iranians.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. So where are they?

[fafafafa12]

45. Ask the Kurds and Iranians!

[JackRiddler]

95. Your ignorance is stunning...

Iraqi regime used gas on Kurds and Iranians before 1991. From 1991 to 1998, the UN inspections program destroyed all Iraqi WMDs and capacity to make WMDs, under the supervision of a US marine officer (Scott Ritter) who explained this to the public in detail, and to ample confirmation from other sources.

But welcome to DU.

[amandabeech]

113. Rotting away having lost their effectiveness through time.

The gas concoction isn't stable. It loses potency relatively easily. Anything left over from the Iraq-Iran war not found by the U.N. was virutally useless in 2003, according to what I read at the time.

[sniffa]

104. hi fafafafafafafafaafa... weLcome to

the boneyard

[AtomicKitten]

31. word

Shame on those legislators that voted to authorize a half-baked President to go to war against a regime that was clearly well contained.

[JackRiddler]

90. Yes she did.

She and everyone who voted for the Iraq war resolution authorized the start of the war. Declarations of war under the constitution of the US are solely to be made by the Congress. In this case, the Congress chose to abdicate its constitutional duty to make that decision by authorizing an unconstitutional carte-blanche resolution. The specifics of this measure were clear, and it was explained by the administration as authorizing it to go ahead with its publicly announced plans of an invasion. All who voted for this resolution started the war, along with Bush. Had Congress voted the resolution down, the war would not have happened. Saying that the resolution would have passed anyway is no excuse.

It's like saying, well when the gang members all stuck a knife into their victim he was already good as dead. Therefore the knife I stuck into him was just for show, so that I could get along better with the gang. To hell with such thinking.

[newsdude]

110. No. She was just an enabler and cheerleader ...

She turned her back on peace because War In Iraq was politically expedient ...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Agreed

[Robson]

16. Hillary......The Consumate Politician

Question: What does Hillary stand for and what does she truly believe?

Answer: Depends on the wind direction and what most benefits Hillary.

She's a consumate and obvious politician of the highest magnitude. Yeah she's far better than Bush too. But she's still a phoney with only one agenda....and that is to get elected. Personally I don't want another dynasty in the Whitehouse.

There are other candidates that are far better and more sincere, and I would vote for Gore and Obama as one possibility. Obama would get exposure and experience and add charisma to the ticket.

[Nedsdag]

89. Exactly!

What's her vision for this country?

Oh, I know! She wants to be President just to be President.

Sorry Hillary! You lost me when you decided on the IWR.

[MethuenProgressive]

5. you say "her priority is money for defense contractors."?

Interesting spin on the facts.

[SaveElmer]

7. Ridiculous warmed over tripe...

Of course reading the whole article shows that Hillary is being praised for her work not only saving these contracts for New York, which EVERY OTHER Senator would do for their states, but her overriding concern for the welfare of the soldiers and their families...

[Generator]

14. You honestly believe

her overriding concern is for the welfare of the soldiers and their familes? Simply amazing. I know she wishes them no harm. Which is meaningless since she has some power to actually stop them from dying.

But since that has only recently polled well, she has only just come out for keeping troop levels the same.

[SaveElmer]

18. Bull...

If she was bending with the wind she would have tucked tail and apologized months ago...she has no reason to aplogize...she was doing her job and made a call based on the evidence..she has said, along with others, and accurately, that she would not have voted for the IWR had the full facts been known in October 2002...

And she has been holding Bush accountable for his actions since then...that you choose to ignore this is your problem...

Obviously 63% of New Yorkers feel she is doing a good job...

[motocicleta]

47. Some of us like to have our leaders held

accountable for their errors in judgment. Why did she not see enough to know the IWR was wrong in October 2002? I could see it. 23 Democratic Senators saw it. Millions of people around the world saw it. When you miss something that obvious, you're gonna pay a price.

She may be doing a good job for NY in other ways, but the IWR is a litmus test for being President, imho.

[SaveElmer]

66. Let me ask you this...

Would you have voted for JFK in 1964 after Bay of Pigs...

Would you have voted for Abraham Lincoln in 1864 after the suspension of Habeus Corpus...?

Would you have voted for FDR in 1944 after the internment of 120,000 American citizens based on their ethnicity...?

WOuld you have voted for George McGovern in 1972 after he voted yes on Gulf of Tonkin?

If every issue was so clear that every legislator would always see things the same way, there would be no need for a legislature. These issues are not always black and white, and they are very complex. It is possible, in fact inevitable, that two Senators can look at a situation, and the attendant evidence, and both in good faith, come to different conclusions about what to do...

[motocicleta]

71. One vote just happens to be right, and one to be wrong

I cannot say how I would have voted in your cases, because the context of this vote is crucial: I cannot vote for a person who missed something I saw so clearly. I was there, I knew the whole thing was a goddamn sham, and she allegedly didn't. Sorry, but I can no longer trust her. Like I said before, one must be held accountable for one's mistakes. Unless they aren't mistakes - do we really know she regrets voting for it? Kerry and Edwards have both come out much stronger regarding their mistakes with that vote.

Of course, if she ends up the Democratic nominee, in which case I'll bite my friggin tongue and do what America needs me to do.

[SaveElmer]

74. I admire your clairvoyance...

Your ability to see falshoods that were not yet exposed, and to see facts even such stalwart opponents as Russ Feingold, Paul Wellstone and Ted Kennedy could not see...

Perhaps you should run for office!

[motocicleta]

85. I will say-

the habit of the Hillary supporters to turn snarky and/or insulting in these threads with such incredible regularity does not do much to win me over.

Speaking of my clairvoyance, though: care to lay a wager on her electability? I'm willing to say that there is no chance that she could be elected president, and then we can revisit when the time comes. Why am I so sure? She has been smeared for too long and too well. It's not fair, but it is what it is. I hear this "55% approval ratings" talk from you HRCers, but I don't buy it. Polling Report tells me she has a tough row to hoe.


PS what are you talking about bringing up Russ, Wellstone, and Ted? They all voted against the IWR. Did I miss something?

[Cha]

8. And what "job"

would that be?

[Captain Hilts]

68. She's done an excellent job as senator. She's won over a lot of detractors. nt

[BuyingThyme]

9. Yes, why should we choose from among the worst failures.

Let us select from among the people who, at some point,
stood up and made the correct choice. Is that so crazy?

http://alternet.org/images/managed/Blog+Image_thumb_woolsey+lee.jpg

[MadMaddie]

10. A fake compared to what? The leader in chief now...

At this point as another DUer put it our worst ( whovever that is) is still better than their best.

She is no more coniving than a man who touts his power, walking around like he has a (big d%$@k). Because she is a woman she is more fair game then men....

I don't care who wins the nomination as long as it's the Dem canditate that can take the Presidency.

You mentioned the money....because our system is so fucked up, the candidates either raise the money to become a viable candidate or just need to sit down on the sidelines. Until we change the system money will always be a factor..

Are there any New Yorkers here? What has she done for you in New York. She won by what 70-80%? Let's ask those who know if she can effect change.

[Generator]

27. I wonder if because of the military issues

she would be any damn bit different than a Republican, even Bush. And I don't want to hyberbole because obviously she's pro-choice and not going to turn the country over to the religious right. But if she is going to in the end support endless war and bleed our country out of billions of dollars-what is the damn difference??????? Just like with IRAN. She says exactly what Bush said. No options off the table. It's so ironic that the Right is so afraid of her when she is more to their side than ours.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3203638,00.html

We cannot and should not - must not - permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons," Clinton added. "In order to prevent that from occurring, we must have more support vigorously and publicly expressed by China and Russia, and we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations."

During her speech, Clinton also made it clear military action against Iran to curb the nuclear threat was an option.

"We cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons," Clinton said.

~
Also I'm tired of the New Yorker thing. She's running for president of all the states. Even west coasters (liberals!) get to have a opinions. Though it's always great to hear how she won over the Republicans in up state New York. Which again, I think might be a problem- not a blessing for you know, liberals. Which is what I thought this board was for.

[JackRiddler]

96. Fake is not relative to how fake others are

Fake is determined by a comparison to your own putative standards. Hillary claims to be things she is not, therefore she is a fake, independent of what Bush is.

I voted for her in 2000 and never will do so again, because she voted for

the USA PATRIOT Act
the Homeland Security Bill
the Iraq war resolution

and that is enough for me, above all the latter. She is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed in the Bush-led war of aggression. She bears the special responsibility of the Congress, the only body authorized to declare war under the US Constitution. If they abdicate that responsibility, they are guilty.

[seabeyond]

11. i guess i could have stayed home and baked cookies, had teas

more than a decade ago when she said this i wa single and a workin gal, didnt think much of it and thought what is the uproar about. on cnn they had the video of that on today. you know...... now that i bake the cookies and fill in at the schools for the parents that are working, doing the volunterr work.... what a bitch. her tone, was so snide. and i am now in the position it really made my skin crawl. i had to have a giggle on that one.

[terisan]

48. I've done both, and her statement didn't bother me at all.

She pointed out that she made a choice to be a breadwinner and a particular type of political spouse. She is politically ambitious. So is every presidential candidate. I would suggest that you contact her and tell her your reaction. Let her campaign know.

I haven't studied her record on issues about family, home, and spouses who are not employed outside the home. I only know about her early attempt at healthcare, which failed. I think she has learned a lot about national politics since.

I don't know that I would vote for her in a primary but I see her as a person who has had almost every piece of crap thrown at her that the Republican party could throw, including sexist bs and accusations of murdering her colleague......and she is still standing. That makes her a formidable candidate.

I think Gore and Kerry underestimated the depths to which the Republicans would stoop and they were defeated.

Which male presidential candidate would you call a bitch ?

[seabeyond]

52. it takes a village

thank you for your post. it is true, that it was as much her tone in what she said, than the actual words when i heard it today. but reading your post, it takes a village came to mind too. a phrase i often use as i am taking htose cookies into those schools and working with kids that need attention ect....

you are right on every point you make. thanks.

again, not my choice, but still good to remember

[MadMaddie]

75. Very well said...

Welcome to DU!!:hi:

[aquart]

12. It really isn't.

But I can appreciate how simplistic minds might miss a few fine points.

[cynatnite]

15. You're bitching about the military industrial complex...

It's the same damn thing EVERY senator does.

Check her voting record. It's a damn good one that reflects many liberal values. As with any politician it's not completely agreeable with me, but I don't set my expectations that high.

Research before ranting.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[wakeme2008]

17. Hillary was a Republican before she met Bill and now is one again

:shrug: The Democratic Party can do better than a warmed over Repug.

[havocmom]

19. She was a self admitted Goldwater Girl

But, we will grant that people are allowed to wise up and change. ;) Some actually do. In Hillary's case, I see more a windsock than anything else.

[durrrty libby]

24. You should read about her college graduation speech

You may CHANGE your mind.

[cynatnite]

36. How long ago was this college graduation speech?

Did she lay out her plan for world domination by turning dem, marrying bill, becoming a senator and all that?

Geez, I feel like I'm on a Hannity or Rush forum.

[durrrty libby]

46. The point of listening to the speech, would be to help one

understand a great deal about the person.

Hannity? Rush? What the hell are you talking about?

If you had paid some attention, you would see that I support Clinton.

If you knew anything about the speech I referred to, you would understand

[cynatnite]

49. She graduated 30 years ago or so?

I honestly don't see how a speech that old would have any bearing on today. Webb wrote a paper about women in the military ages ago that got play by the RW machine even though he's a completely different person now.

When I read all this unsubstantiated trash and innuendo about someone it does feel like I walked into one of those talk shows. Big ICK :puke:

[durrrty libby]

51. It was a wonderful and amazing speech

I'll accept your apology after you learn more


:toast: :hi:

[cynatnite]

54. You know what, durrrty?

I misinterpreted that entire subthread and totally got it wrong. :blush: I feel like such a dork! :blush:

'Scuse me while I go crawl under my desk for a little while. :blush: Gonna read the speech.

on edit: so sorry. :blush:

[durrrty libby]

60. No problem. I figured it out

[havocmom]

50. Just pointing out what she called herself in those days

My mind had nada to do with it.

[durrrty libby]

53. "My mind had nada to do with it."

Sadly, I already understood that

[havocmom]

76. You're cute

[SaveElmer]

28. All facts to the contrary...

But don't that let them bother you...it'll make your life more complicated...

[cynatnite]

34. Oh, damn...she flip flopped...changed her mind

Well, we can't have that, can we. :eyes:

[Captain Hilts]

59. If only President Bush would change his mind, just once. nt

[peacetalksforall]

21. Good post. You're right about the feminism, women, children

on the one hand and support of corporations of war on the other. She doesn't talk like the rest of us. We're probably thought of as the crazies, the radicals. But, I was taught differently.

Let me add imperialism.

In some ways I believe I'm taking revenge that I never thought I would do. But, I was so bitterly angry with all the Senators and Representatives who voted for the war. I feel they contributed to the treason against the world in the form of imperialism - a state of invasion that we were taught was wrong. So, now that we were proved right about the intentions of the administration and and their weak case for it, I get to take out my revenge by not supporting her. I defended her and Pres Clinton for all the years they were attacked by the batallions of impeaching and warring political marauders and I would pick up and do it again in a heartbeat. I can't rationalize her support of war. No way. And what is more important than that issue while we still have death and maiming and destruction of treasures and infrastructure. How feminine is that?

[fafafafa12]

25. Hillary is a wolf in Sheep's' clothing

It is simply amazing that anyone cannot see through this.

[cynatnite]

73. I must be blind...please show me how she is? n/t

[Jcrowley]

26. You nailed it

If those who would support her would actually leave aside the cult of personality thing and do some deep research into what she has been involved in throughout her career they would find it to be very insidious. Hillary does not have folks interests even remotely in her calculus. Wake up folks if you think this person has your interests in her mind as she makes her daily decisions.

K&R

[cynatnite]

32. What are you talking about?

Please enlighten those of us who check into a candidate's voting records and didn't do this 'deep research'.

[Captain Hilts]

62. She's Nixon in a dress! nt

[Generator]

65. Now you've made my night!

Run run fast from the Hillary brigade! They carry heavy purses.

[Captain Hilts]

67. The whole Hillary parnoia is just really weird. nt

[Twist_U_Up]

55. The electorate got bored of drinking Coke so now the establishment is going to provide Pepsi.

[Generator]

63. Your cynicism duly noted and succinctly provided sans ad hominem

Whew.

[Captain Hilts]

56. She says the same thing about you! nt

[k_jerome]

58. as are you, unless Generator is your given name. nt.

[Generator]

69. Wow that debates the issue!

Did you read how much she sounds JUST LIKE BUSH on Iran? (upthread I posted) That's a little more important-you know endless war and our real children being drafted more than if my real name is Generator.Her real name is Hillary Rodham Clinton, she's running for president and she doesn't sound like the things that she's supposed to be. Like for women and children. You know real living breathing things.

[k_jerome]

72. it debates as well as your incendiary OP. nt.

[Lord Byron]

61. Investment banks love her

She's a queen on Wall Street. All the yuppies are going to vote for her.

[951-Riverside]

70. A mature fake blonde....

IM SOLD! :D

[GreenArrow]

77. how is she any faker than, say, John Edwards

talk about fake! I don't like her either, but I don't see why so many are trashing her while creaming the 'ol jeans over some snake oil salesman.

She's taken a lot of crap over the years, some of it fair, quite a bit of it not, usually with a great deal of grace, and I'm not inclined to pile on while others just as fake, or more so, get a free ride.

[Bobbie Jo]

78. You beat me to it...

Edwards strikes me the same way. I'll give him a chance just the same. As far as I'm concerned, each of the candidates still have to work to win my vote.

[mnhtnbb]

108. Oh, did Hillary organize and accompany hundreds of college students

on their spring breaks March 06 to go to New Orleans and help Katrina victims?
Damn good snake-oil salesman, to talk students out of beach time for sweaty, unpaid, hard work time for the benefit of others.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11713087/

[DianaForRussFeingold]

79. I Don't Like This Picture I'm Getting! Another lieberman?

We need a woman who puts Lady Liberty and the our Constitution first!
We need someone who voted 'NO' to Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 ; Here is one woman who took a stand to protect lady liberty.
To win we need Nancy Pelosi! I WILL SURVIVE SAYS LADY LIBERTY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKDHjKizKaA Politics aside great music video!

[WesClark08]

80. She IS for women and children

just not the dead ones in Iraq.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

81. How about The Dead Ones In New Orleans? Did She Charter Planes to rescue them?

"One man who did care enough to “be about” leading people to safety was former Vice President Al Gore. Together with Greg Simon, head of the nonprofit FasterCures, Gore defied government bureaucracy, military regulations, and perhaps political interference to charter and accompany two airplane flights into New Orleans to rescue patients and bring them to safety at Tennessee hospitals. While other politicians appeared to be debating whether or not to leave their Labor Day vacations early or to be dithering with their consultants over the political ramifications of various actions and statements, Gore did what many of us watching television from our homes only wished we could do: He flew into New Orleans and rescued people.

Desperate for effective leadership, factions of the Democratic Party have been wrestling with one another about whether we should go left or right in order to win elections. Gore's actions have punctured a hole in this debate by simply going forward. The tragedy of Katrina was not political so much as humanitarian. American citizens were dying, homeless, and injured, and those who truly cared about them could not sit by and watch from the height of their private planes or the comfort of their ranches and beach houses. Gore not only cares about America; he proved he cares about Americans enough to land a plane in the midst of the misery and “be about” rescuing more than 200 desperate people." http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10376 Al Gore in election 2008 Led Zeplin House of the rising sun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgFPIeQRX-o There is one more inconvenient truth, we need Al Gore to Save our Constitution and rescue Habeas Corpus.

[BeHereNow]

82. THANK YOU and AMEN.

The truth is in what we DO not what ever PC convenient rhetoric
spews from our lips in response to public opinion.

ONE WORD-
WALMART.

Clinton sat on the board for six years
while her husband set in motion the trade agreements
that allowed China to decimate the American economy,
among others.
That's all I need to know about Ms. Clinton.
Her social non-activism to help the people in New Orleans
fades in comparison to her active participation in
the destruction of family owned businesses in America.

BHN

[DianaForRussFeingold]

83. ThankYou,I didn't know. I really am sorry for DUers who love her! !

Bio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

[obnoxiousdrunk]

99. Please don't be

too sorry. We can manage.

[terisan]

84. Thanks for the Reminder!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[cynatnite]

101. I guess that's reason enough to hate all the other dems...

who didn't charter planes. :eyes:

[John Q. Citizen]

88. Well, to be fair, she thought those women and children had WMD's.

[Chalco]

86. I'd rather have a fake Hillary than a real repug. nt

[michaz]

87. Hate to disappoint you but..

my brother-in-law is a President of a college in the city and he works with her on some things. He says she is one of the nicest and caring people he has met. Also very intelligent. He would vote for her in a heart beat.

[earth mom]

92. Hillary serves her corporate masters and rich elite buddies well...

the rest of us peons can go to hell! :grr:

[cynatnite]

94. Who would that be and how does she do that?

I read this a lot on DU.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

100. In Corporate America

everyone serves their Corporate masters directly or indirectly ..

[Virginia Dare]

102. Very true...and will always be thus...n/t

[TZ]

103. a very typical politician

I think she does what she thinks will get her farther politically. It was very popular to support the war in Iraq even amoung Dems at the time. Now its not. She probably never really thought it was a good idea to begin with but wanted to seem "not soft" at the time. This has been my issue with her for a while now.

[Greyhound]

105. Good points and accurate. You left off coward, though.

She claims to want to be a leader, yet she takes the lead on nothing, and seems to operate on the assumption that her constituents are too simple to understand what she is.

[TZ]

106. thought about it

but it seemed an unnecessary addition. She also has a VERY bad temper from my understanding and I do not think thats good in a president (thats what we have now to some extent).

[obnoxiousdrunk]

109. Some people

say she gets turned on by hurting babies. No way can she be President.

[Morgana LaFey]

111. Very, very well said.

Here's something I wrote yesterday about her which you may appreciate --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=766&mesg_id=816

[Imagevision]

115. Bill Clinton is playing it smart by staying out of the picture -- until he gets the cue...