Dennis Kucinich with his UFO response proved he's the real deal! He

[babylonsister]

just told everyone "I saw it and I believe it". And everything he says about my/our country, this war, impeachment, it's all from his democratic heart and mind. I really like that!

[msongs]

1. russert should be banned from these events for that crappy stunt nt

[tech3149]

7. Timmeh "clintons cock" russert proved what a tool he is with that one

The good thing is the audience was laughing at the question. They knew it was to make DK look like a goofball and he hanlded it quite well.

[ShortnFiery]

11. Timmeh, in general, is "a tool" for the power elite, giving us peasants "bread and circuses"

What a meatball! ... second only to Tweety, the pompous ass, most extra-ordinaire. :crazy:

[mark414]

22. don't forget the other debate when he asked for their favorite bible verse

what a load of crap!

[Cha]

25. russerthead is way past due

to be banned from anymore Dem Debates..either, the Dems like the abuse or that's the only way they can get themselves heard is with the attachment of the meanasshole.

If russert is the only game in town then they should have a crash course in dealing with abusive GEAssholes.

[VenusRising]

2. Excellent point.

He just proved that he will tell us the truth no matter what people may think about reality as he sees it.

I love Dennis! :loveya:

[flvegan]

3. Is America ready for honesty?

Seriously, are we ready for it to NOT be about politics and special interests? Are we ready for it to be about what we see/thing/feel? Are we ready to be laughed at for what we believe, regardless?

Maybe we just need to be ready to kick the shit outta the next A-rab nation that gets on our shitlist (or that we need/want oil from).

Take money and greed out of the equation and what's left? Purity.

[parasim]

12. Frankly, no.

Well, actually, yeah, I think America is ready for honesty, but ain't gonna get it because somebody else picks our leaders <cough. corporations.. cough>, not the people of America.

If it's not be hook (stolen elections), it's by crook (media cramming one candidate down our throats)... either way, the American people are not being served.

Dennis is, as far as I can see, the only truly honest politician out there. (well, except maybe Gravel, but NBC has decided he is not eligible).

Although, I have to say, I thought Obama's response to the followup was brilliant.

[flvegan]

18. It's sad when "honest politician" is an oxymoron, isn't it?

Seriously...isn't it?

[parasim]

26. Yes, it is very sad.

I've always been saddened by the fact that everyone jokes about politicians being liars.

I mean, it's always been, "oh everyone knows that politicians lie. Heh. Whatever..."

It's very refreshing to see someone like Dennis Kucinich stand there and be honest. I do appreciate a clever politician now and then (like Obama's remark "what I do know is there is life on Earth"), but nothing beats sheer honesty and the willingness to give the people a voice like Dennis does.

[AikidoSoul]

115. Uh...some are and some aren't.... Gravel showed up at the Florida Dem Convention

last weekend and was allowed to speak for about 20 mins in one of the small county workshops. Two of the delegates from my county were appalled that he spoke about how the Bush administration had Iran in its sights from the time they came into office. He sounded too much like a conspiracy theorist to them -- and they said that "he should be removed from the Democratic Party."

One of these guys was the managing editor / owner of our small town newspaper for over thirty years! Talk about uninformed!

I told them they need to go to Democratic Underground to get educated about things that are not normally covered by the MSM.

Frankly, I was appalled at how few people at the convention are really savvy about what is really going on in national and international politics.

At the end of the convention I made an announcement to the group attending the Florida Dem Executive Committee to go to DU to get educated.

Upon returning I made copies of Project for a New American Century and dropped them off to our local delegates. Will followup with conversations on the topic when I take them to lunch next week.

If each one of us would give a copy of PNAC to ten influential people in our communities, I think they would see a much fuller picture of how the MIC is controlling everything and needs to be stopped. The only human being that has a shot at doing this is Gore... IMHO

edit: changed "this" to "us"

[devilgrrl]

4. BFD, Kucinich can only see UFO's, well * talks to GOD!!!!!!!

:wow::wow::wow:

Let's hear the public discuss that!

[babylonsister]

6. Damn! Great point!

:rofl: :toast:

[ozone_man]

56. It's OK to believe in the universal neurosis.

Called God.

UFO's on the other hand are not quite as far fetched. I doubt there have been aliens that have made it to Earth, but I also doubt we're alone in the galaxy. How many galaxies are there in the universe?

He was setup, but he answered it well. On the substantive issues, he answered as only real progressive up there.

[emlev]

93. And *listens* to Cheney! And believes him?!

I'll take a UFO any day.

[VP505]

5. How much more

of a straight up answer can be given. Say what they want about Kucinich but that was IMO a great response.

[graywarrior]

8. He sees aliens in the WH, just like we all do.

[babylonsister]

10. Damn, you make me laugh. And that duck! You've been here longer than

I have, and you've had that sucker for awhile. It's so funny, so 'you'! :D

[graywarrior]

19. *snort*

Ask Mr Gray how funny I am.

[parasim]

35. Hey, I have to say, I've also always appreciated that duck of yours.

I'm not a huge fan of animated avatars or sig lines or whatever (he says as he remembers that his very own sigline graphic is animated), but for some reason I've always dug that duck.

[babylonsister]

38. Is he here? Gosh, are you, like, a taping, stalker kinda sex fiend or sumthin'?

Is he amazed at your comedic skills, or are you in a rut? I 'might' be asking because I have a sister about our age who just escaped from her rut but she's really sad. Or, nevermind! :D

[graywarrior]

62. He's pissed off at me lately.

Told me I act like a guy from West Lynn. (I do)

[babylonsister]

70. Mass? Oye!

I wouldn't be surprised, but I am laughing! I have a friend from MA, and I'll just bet you are like her. Tough!

[graywarrior]

80. If she's from the North Shore, she is.

We're demented on that part of the state.

[Jackpine Radical]

140. Remember this?

[graywarrior]

144. Bwahahahahaha! Yes I do remember!

:rofl:

[book_worm]

9. DK should also point out that Ford, Reagan and Carter all claimed to have seen a UFO too

[superkia]

13. He also said that it was an unidentified flying object, it could...

have been a U.S. military project or anything, he didn't say it had aliens on it. He was still the only one presidential enough to stand for impeachment and he did it on a national stage. We need someone to speak up for us instead of just keeping the ones up top out of trouble no matter what they do.

[babylonsister]

15. Great point. Lots of people think he's an idiot for going there, but

I don't at all.

[parasim]

40. He started to mention Carter on that but was cut off...

Timmy got what he wanted and moved on.

[Subdivisions]

124. Here's a partial list of other UFO nutcases:

Muhammed Ali, Former Boxing Heavy Weight Champion
Ali witnessed UFOs on at least two (and according to one of my sources on the web, as many as sixteen) occasions.

Idi Amin, Former President of Uganda
In 1973, Amin witnessed a strange object surrounded by a smoke-like cloud descend onto the surface of Lake Victoria where it hovered for about seven minutes before gracefully lifting off and ascending into the sky again.

Astronauts
Too many to list (I think the count is at something like 21 now and I don't know all the stories). See Astronaut Quotes and Unverified Quotes.

David Bowie, Musician/Singer
Bowie allegedly saw UFOs many times while he was growing up.
See quote below.

Jimmy Carter, Former U.S. President
Carter reported seeing a UFO along with his wife and other witnesses.
He was Governor of Georgia at the time (January 6, 1969). See quote.

Jamie Farr, Actor (Corporal Klinger from MASH)
Mr. Farr reported a strange moving light in the skies over Yuma Arizona which stopped and hovered over his car for a few moments.

Jackie Gleason, Actor
Gleason claimed to have seen UFOs over Florida and London.

Dick Gregory, Actor/Comedian/Civil Rights Activist
Gregory claimed that on one occasion he watched a strange display of red and green lights dancing around in the sky for about an hour.

John Lennon, Musician
Lennon allegedly saw a UFO from his apartment balcony in New York along with his assistant, May Pang.

Ronald Reagan, Former U.S. President
It is rumored that Reagan and several other people, including his pilot watched a UFO for several moments from his plane.

William Shatner, Actor/Author
Shatner claimed to have seen some sort of shining, shimmering object in the sky while he was pushing his broken-down motorcycle down a road in the Mojave Desert.

Will Smith, Actor/Musician
Smith claims to have seen a UFO while driving with a friend.

Clyde Tombaugh, Discoverer of Pluto
Tombaugh and his wife claimed to have witnessed a UFO from their back yard.

Source: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1745.htm

[gauguin57]

129. And me.

I saw weird lights in the sky that didn't act like any airborne craft I know of. Not saying there were aliens up there, but those lights sure were interesting!

[LSK]

130. he did mention that Carter saw one

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

146. No.

Comparing yourself to Ford or Carter is not the way to get ahead in politics.

[gulfcoastliberal]

14. K&R - That's awesome. DK rocks! nt

[Tom Joad]

16. Only Clinton was endorsed by a space alien, though.

[mvd]

17. That's what I've been saying

Recommending your post!

[kster]

20. Ronald Reagan sees UFO

"I was in a plane last week when I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around." "I went up to the pilot and said, "Have you ever seen anything like that?" He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" "We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light." "We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens." "When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it. But we didn't file a report on the object because for a long time they considered you a nut if you saw a UFO..." -Ronald Reagan, 1974

[Odin2005]

21. DK is a New Age woo woo.

:puke:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

24. Love your labeling...

it is quite enlightening.

[Ghost in the Machine]

33. Once again, the very small, yet very vocal, minority of DU weighs in..

Here's a clue: 73% of DUers believe in ghosts, UFOs and ESP. Take the old adage that 1 in 4 people are nuts, then look at yourself because the other 3 around you think *you're* the one who is nuts for *your* non beliefs. In other words, you're closed minded and incapable of thinking in a 3 dimensional sense or digging deeper into your own psyche.

just sayin'.....

[WindRavenX]

44. Or, most people are just flat out wrong.

After all, most people don't accept evolution. Doesn't mean that evolution, because the masses reject it, is any less real.

[Ghost in the Machine]

63. We're all wrong about what we've experienced? LMAO!

Great argument!

NOT!

You're just afraid to embrace the unknown.... open your mind and your soul, there's a whole universe out there waiting for you to discover it...

[WindRavenX]

69. Experiences can be fake

I'm not trying to be a dick, but there are a lot of experiences experienced by a lot of people that turned out to be counter to what they thought to be.

I and about 200 people who were skygazing experienced a *huuuuuge* flash of light across the sky--people were freaking out and thinking it was a rocket, a missle, or some soft of UFO.

It was a burning satellite that entered the atmosphere. Didn't look like it at first, but when the wreckage was found and the satellite's owner released a statement, there you go.

Just because you've experienced something doesn't mean you're actually experiencing reality.

Your eyes deceive you all the time.

[Ghost in the Machine]

77. Ok, I can accept your argument on this point and example, however

not *everyone* is wrong, nor are they "imagining things". I know very clearly what I saw and experienced. It wasn't my imagination or my mind playing tricks on me. It was very clear and VERY real...

[WindRavenX]

85. but there's no proof

And like I said, I'm not trying to be a dick, but science doesn't work by saying "aha! I and 20 other people saw it as a non-earth origin UFO so it must be true!"

There needs to be concrete evidence that eliminates *all* other possibles. And so far, not a single shred of evidence to support non earth origin UFOs has been presented. There has been tons and tons of evidence to support other explanations, including abnormal weather (which can cause some freaky wind/cloud patterns/lights), satellite re-entry, etc.

That's my critique and I stick to it. It's nothing personal against you or your experience.

[Ghost in the Machine]

105. That's fine, and very true as far as UFOs are concerned. I've seen

some weird lights in the sky at night that I couldn't explain, so they qualify as a UFO. I don't know *what* I saw, just lights moving very fast and changing course like someone was playing with a laser pointer. But that's beside the point. I experienced an up close & personal encounter with a "ghost", or some kind of entity. I wasn't frightened at all, and it remains one of the coolest experiences of my life and NO ONE in this world can tell me I *didn't* see what I saw, or that it was "all just in my imagination". No one....

I'm not taking your opinion on this personally. We all have different views and opinions about these things. Some of us have actually experienced one or more of these things. I don't automatically believe every story I hear about sightings and experiences, but I certainly don't dismiss them without further thought either.

[mondo joe]

81. There's a great piece on This American Life from last year about a haunting -

it impacted multiple people in the house and included classic haunting elements.

It turned out, as I recall, to have been a gas lea causing the people in the home to experience the "haunting".

[Odin2005]

119. Sorry, I tried that New Age woo woo shit when I was a teenager, didn't work.

Of course the woo woos will just claim that my natural skepticism disturbed the balance of my spiritual energies or what not BS arguments that make their assertions unfalsifiable. Which brings me to my next point, the New Age woo woos have a habit in wording their assertions in such a way so as to be unfalsifiable by using purely existential statements (Example: "There exists a Latin phrase that, if said, cures all diseases") or by using ad hoc defensive arguments ("your skepticism disturbed your spiritual energies", or "scientific testing disturbs the spiritual field my dowsing rod picks up").

[John Q. Citizen]

135. I know what you mean. Hill and Obama actually believe some dead guy rose from the grave

and now he wire taps them their whole lives and is constantly watching them through some remote viewing gobbledy gook.

Talk about whack jobs...

Can you believe those people actually believe that crap and then get up in public and say it?

I find it embarrassing, don't you?

[Ghost in the Machine]

137. Heh!

:thumbsup:

[Ghost in the Machine]

138. Apparently learning critical thinking skills didn't work either.

Maybe it's just you?

:shrug:

[Odin2005]

143. My critical thinking skills are just fine, thank you very much. n/t.

[TZ]

114. How reflective of real life do you think DU is actually?

DK polls about 5-7% (on a good day) although he almost always wins polls here. I don't know anybody IRL that 1) likes DK , 2)Thinks UFO's are real 3) Has seen a ghost despite claims here that "many" people has.
Maybe it has to do with I work and hang out with scientists who actually examine evidence and don't take things on faith?
and BTW- I live in the DC area so its not like I live in a small town.
And I don't believe that adage about 1 in 4 people being nuts (well perhaps in red states). There are also plenty of DU beliefs that I never even HEARD of IRL till I started posted here. So saying that DU believes this or that, isn't particularly reflective of the real world.
What this country lacks is not "closed minded" skeptics as I see others who ask for proof BEFORE swallowing any story labelled but criticial thinking skills...and that lack is very evident in the current administration. Maybe if more people asked for *proof* (like proof of WMD's) this country would be in a better position
So to sum it up: wanting proof of UFO's/Ghosts ect....bad and narrow minded
wanting proof of WMD's: a good thing

[Ghost in the Machine]

116. Since you hang out with all the 'smart people', what part was so hard for you to understand

in this sentence??

"Once again, the very small, yet very vocal, minority of DU weighs in..

About this:

"I don't know anybody IRL that 1) likes DK , 2)Thinks UFO's are real 3) Has seen a ghost despite claims here that "many" people has."

I know plenty of people who like Dennis Kucinich, I know plenty of people who believe in UFOs, and I know several people, including myself, who have seen a ghost. However, I don't personally *know* anyone who has ever been attacked by a bear, a lion or a tiger, so by your logic, since I don't know any people like this, none exist, right? I mean, I *know* someone who was bitten by a shark, I *know* someone who was bitten by a snake, I *know* someone who was bitten by a pitbull, and I even *know* someone who was bitten by an alligator... so I *know* they exist, but now I have doubts about victims of bears, tigers and lions because of your logic....

Care to try to come up with something better and more coherent? Weak arguments in the morning just don't wake me up too good... zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Odin2005]

118. So? over half of Americans don't believe in evolution.

Truth is not dependent of what people believe, it just is, regardless of what people believe.

[John Q. Citizen]

134. As my friend says, "Everybody is somebody's weirdo."

[goodgd_yall]

47. Oh, you're so clever

[parasim]

50. And I bet that your candidate disagrees with you.

I can't imagine Barack Obama is that narrow-minded.

[KaptBunnyPants]

66. Obama is a Christian.

edit: On second thought, I shouldn't insult a wide group of people because someone acts like an ass.

[Odin2005]

123. I'm an Atheist, and I find liberal mainline Christians more reasonable then New Agers.

Most mainline Christians I know are pretty much Deists on a day to day basis.

[Shallah Kali]

109. DK is the only one to go for impeachment. If his 'woo woo'ness made him that way GOOD!

!

[alcibiades_mystery]

121. ROFL

Ayup.

[backscatter712]

139. Whatever...

:eyes:

I don't care if he worships Great Cthulhu and prays to the Elder Gods to be eaten first. Just so long as he's decently honest and actually works to protect and defend the Constitution and our system of laws.

[krabigirl]

145. Rather have that than a Christian woo-woo.

[Solly Mack]

23. DK calls for impeachment - so he gets marginalized

He sees space aliens! He wants impeachment! He must be crazy! How can anyone take his calls for impeachment seriously? He's obviously out-there.

That was the point of the question tonight.

[OzarkDem]

27. and the truth gets marginalized

again.

[Solly Mack]

29. exactly and people can continue to pretend it's not that bad

[mondo joe]

83. I guess he could have used his time to say that.

That's part of campaigning - using opportunities to get out your message.

[eridani]

111. He didn't say he saw aliens. He said he saw a UFO

So did Carter and Reagan.

[Solly Mack]

112. Yes, I know. I watched. But that won't stop people from saying the other

when they attack him over saying what he actually said.

[eridani]

113. True--but they do this shit to all the candidates (Dems anyway)

Hillary's cleavage, Gore's "sighs", Edwards' haircut, Swift Boat bullshit. If anybody sends you rightwing garbage emails about it, just forward them the following link--

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/10/presidential-en.html

Top Eight Presidential Encounters of the Third Kind

[OnionPatch]

126. This is what got me.

A UFO is, by definition, an unidentified flying object. Hell, I've seen one of those! Who hasn't? Did Kucinich actually claim he saw an "alien spacecraft"? If not, then WTF?

[Carni]

132. Yeah-- what timing!

I knew as soon as I heard Russert opening his fat piehole with that question last night, that it was rather well timed to make DK look like a nut.

If he's *nuts* than we need more *nuts* like him, as opposed to these spineless buffoons who have refused to start impeachment proceedings against these two crooks in the WH.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

147. You can't marginalize Kucinich.

He was marginal all along. His running for President is the only reason anybody even knows his name outside of Cleveland and DU.

[tridim]

28. Do those who have never seen a UFO really think those who have are crazy?

Because that's what I'm hearing from Tweety and Biden.

I saw one in 1989, the police and thousands of others saw it too. It wasn't a mass hallucination, we all saw it with our own eyes. It wasn't a plane, it wasn't ball lightning or swamp gas, it was an Unidentified Flying Object. If you don't believe me and my fellow citizens then you can kindly fuck off.

[parasim]

59. Yes, they do.

I've seen two myself and many people I've talked to about it do see me as crazy. and your sentiment is pretty much what I always convey to these people.

[Individualist]

73. Not me!

I've never seen Hawaii, but know people who have, so I don't deny that it exists. I've never seen a UFO, but know people who have, so I don't deny they exist.

[alcibiades_mystery]

122. Yes

[Carni]

133. I saw one many years ago

I have no idea what the hell it was and I was in the company of several other people who also witnessed a flying craft that appeared to be like nothing we had seen before.

Do I think it was from outer space?

No, but I know what I saw was not a typical aircraft and I would like to know how anything could fly like that back in the 70's -- why it was made and who paid for it.

If that makes ME a nut...then so be it, because I know what saw and I don't think it it unreasonable or crazy to want to know what the origins of these types of sightings are.

[WindRavenX]

30. If he said that, he's lost a lot of respect from me.

NT

[babylonsister]

31. Well, I've seen one, too. I know I'm not running, but what's wrong with that? nt

[WindRavenX]

41. UFOs are real.

There's just no evidence of them being extraterrestrials. That's my beef.

UFOs are well documented.

I've seen all kinds of *crazy* shit in the sky--one that even looked like a fireball streaking across the sky that freaked the entire city out.

[Individualist]

34. You must have lost respect for Jimmy Carter too.

:eyes:

[WindRavenX]

37. If Jimmy Carter said he thinks UFOs, complete w/ little green men are real, then yes

I reject this nonsense. Any rational person should.

[Individualist]

42. Your embellilshment is nonsense - "complete w/little green men are real..."

[WindRavenX]

46. How is it nonsense?

There is no debate whether UFOs are *real*--Unidentified Flying Objects are common pretty much everywhere--but where I draw the line is where people claim they are are not of this earth.

There's absolutely no evidence of the later, but tons and tons of evidence that points to everything but that possibility.

[mvd]

51. I'm not ready to say what they are

I leave open all the possibilities.

[WindRavenX]

55. Which is great, just as long as you realize...

...you have to have *extraordinary* evidence of the less probable explanations.

That's perhaps why I'm so grumpy about this whole UFO/paranormal debate; most skeptics--myself included--never reject the possibility of the less probable explanations, but that the standards for those possibilities require absolutely extraordinary evidence.

Personal experience does not count, it just doesn't. No matter how badly you want to believe, or how convinced you are by your experience, it still isn't actual physical evidence. That's always been my issue.

[mvd]

61. We're working to uncover more all the time

I agree that we are not there yet, but it's fascinating. BTW, most reports CAN be easily explained if there's a photo or video.

[WindRavenX]

65. but again, photo or video isn't *actual* physical evidence

You need much, much more than that.

[mvd]

68. What I said is that photos can sometimes help things..

be explained with current knowledge. With some remaining unexplained.

[parasim]

87. You know, as a skeptic, I also get grumpy about this topic.

Although I am skeptical of the skeptics.

What pisses me off on this whole debate is that, too many people such as yourself, believe that unless there is scientific evidence of something, it doesn't exist. Just like when everybody thought the world was flat many years ago. I'm sure there where a ton of people going, "I reject the notion that the earth is anything but flat because there is no evidence that is spherical. Of course, later, scientist's discovered that oh, look at that, I guess the earth is a sphere after all. Now, if you think it is flat, you are considered a loony.

I, for one, can imagine a time where people will scoff at the notion that there are no other intelligent beings beyond our planet or that paranormal activity exists. and that saying so will cast you as a loony.

Do you seriously think that mankind has learned all that is possible to learn?

[WindRavenX]

91. But that's how science works.

It works on empirical evidence, not on faith or personal belief.

I'm confused by your earth is flat example because there was absolutely no evidence that the earth was flat except by faith alone--and not in empirical evidence.

I have NEVER rejected the idea that there is no intelligent life out in the world, because that is foolish. What I do reject is that people should expect to have their opinion or experience respected as factual evidence when in fact, it simply isn't. It's just faith, a desire to believe.

I await physical evidence! I will relish the day when there is evidence of something out there. But until there isn't, I refuse to simple allow my desires and wishes to replace reality.

And do I need to say that of course we haven't learned all there is to learn? Duh.

[parasim]

96. I wasn't talking about faith.

I guess I just assumed that scientists of the day, using the knowledge/technology available to them, felt they had evidence that the earth was flat. Apparently, my assumption was wrong.

Well, I guess one man's "desire to believe" is another man's "gee, I wonder if..." Whatever...

I am fine imagining things without waiting for physical evidence. So sue me.

Reality. What a concept.

[WindRavenX]

101. I'm fine with imagining the possibilities too

I just don't claim it as being *real*. Objective reality is harsh...and for a reason. If we accept what we imagine as real--well, isn't that how most people were suckered into Iraq? All the evidence pointed that Iraq wasn't a threat, wasn't trying to acquire weapons...yet Bush suckered a lot of people in by making people disregard reality and the evidence in front of them. That's why these matters, no matter how innocent they may seem, are quite scary to me because if some people are willing to suspend the demand for evidence, what else can they be made to believe?

But, on a lighter note, imagining things is awesome. You have to dream. It's the imagination, the creativity, that leads me to seek out the mysteries of the world. Otherwise, what's the point?

The best book that explains how I reconcile my scientific spirit with my more...spiritual side is Carl Sagan's "Contact".

[Individualist]

53. I specified how your post was nonsense - "complete with little green men..."

He said nothing of the kind. Nor did Kucinich claim the UFO was not of this earth as you're attempting to imply in your most recent post.

[mvd]

54. And it could have been from another world

Science just found out about dark energy. Even that has some people questioning basic scientific theory.

[WindRavenX]

58. not really

It doesn't blow everything out of the water. It fits a lot of theories that have been suggested. To say that it's causing people to "questions" basic scientific theory is a stretch.

[mvd]

64. It does question gravity

It's the learning that I find neat. New perceptions can be fun if they come.

[WindRavenX]

71. it doesn't question gravity

Gravity still isn't well understood to begin with--it's still unknown as to what exactly gravity is, after all.

It might explain what gravity fundamentally is, thought, which is a neat thought.

[mvd]

74. That's what I meant

Gravity might not be what it seems.

[WindRavenX]

76. But it doesn't mean it's "challanged"

It'll take more than something than this latest find to say that.

[mvd]

86. It could definitely lead to new perceptions

Will see what comes from that. We're basically in agreement, but I think it could be the start of something big. I'[m not a physicist, so I'll leave the details to others.

[mondo joe]

60. It could have been a vampire too. Or the tooth fairy.

[GreenArrow]

75. it could even be a giant asshole

.

[mondo joe]

79. Could be. Or maybe a DU support star falling from the heavens.

.

[WindRavenX]

57. I appoligized for my assumption upthread, I think

Because I did make that incorrect assumptions.

Cheers!

[silverlib]

36. This, like everything else from MSM is being blown out of proportion...

He says yes, but he went on to explain that UFO stands for unidentified flying object. That doesn't correspond with believing in aliens. Ford, Regan, and Carter have stated the same. The MSM likes to portray DK as over the top and that is what they will do well and with consistency. He was also quite "good humored" about the questions and talked mentioned aliens in the WH. Chris Matthews is running with this as the most dynamic thing to come out a very good debate that helped sort out the difference between the candidates. Please don't let him get a away with it.

Peace - E

[WindRavenX]

48. Thanks for clarifying this

I retract my earlier criticism from upthread.

Thanks for pointing out my error.

[lonestarnot]

67. What? That he has seen an unidentified flying object? WTF.

Could have been a large bird, a person female/dude that created little flyers that he saw, could have been something someone planted for him to see, could have been any fucking thing. So you think then that should cause depletion of respect because he will not lie about what he saw? Nope bullshit.

[WindRavenX]

82. see upthread

I had an incorrect assumption that he was referring to extraterrestrial UFOs--not the actual UFOs that are routinely seen on earth and almost always proven to be either abnormal weather patterns, military planes, etc.

My bad.

[lonestarnot]

89. Peace WindRavenX

:toast: :patriot: carry on

[Duppers]

32. in his defense he should have brought up these 8 men...

October 30, 2007

Top Eight Presidential Encounters of the Third Kind

1. Dennis Kucinich has felt a connection:
Writes Shirley Maclaine of her old friend: "He had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there. Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for ten minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind."

2. Rudy Giuliani has a strategy in case of an alien invasion:
"Of all the things that can happen in this world, we'll be prepared for that, yes we will. We'll be prepared for anything that happens."

3. Bill Richardson is determined to uncover the Roswell mystery:
Answering questions at a townhall meeting Friday, a Dell employee asked Richardson about the 1947 incident in which many people still believe a flying saucer landed near the eastern New Mexico town.
I've been in government a long time, I've been in the cabinet, I've been in the Congress and I've always felt that the government doesn't tell the truth as much as it should on a lot of issues," said Richardson, who is governor of New Mexico.

4. Ronald Reagan spotted a UFO from his plane window
I was in a plane last week when I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, 'Have you ever seen anything like that?' He was shocked and he said, 'Nope.' And I said to him: 'Let's follow it!' We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it. But we didn't file a report on the object because for a long time they considered you a nut if you saw a UFO.

5. Jimmy Carter's UFO sighting prompted him to run for President
"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs, Carter said at a Southern Governors Conference a few years ago. "I've seen one myself. It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon.. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. I think it was a light beckoning me to run in the California primary. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information that this country has about UFO sightings available to the public."

6. John F. Kennedy incorporated alien threat into his defence plan
The US Airforce assures me that UFO's pose no threat to National Security.

7. Harry S. Truman put great thought into the mechanics behind UFOs
I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth.

8. Gerald Ford opened up the floor for extra-terrestrial debate
No doubt, you have noted the recent flurry of newspaper stories about unidentified flying objects. I have taken special interest in these accounts because many of the latest reported sightings have been in my home state of Michigan... Because I think there may be substance to some of these reports and because I believe the American people are entitled to a more thorough explanation than has been given them by the Air Force to date, I am proposing that either the Science and Astronautics Committee or the Armed Services Committee of the House schedule hearings on the subject of UFOs and invite testimony from both the executive branch of the Government and some of the persons who claim to have seen UFOs.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/10/presiden...



Yes, I've seen one too. So?

However, I do think it was a totally inappropriate question in a presidential debate. Fuck Russert.

[rucky]

52. that explains Biden's joke about "Where's Rudy when you need him"

I wish I had caught that reference when he said it.

[Duppers]

97. yes and I know Russert's people had seen that too

He knew it'd bring truth-telling Dennis down in the polls. Russert is a rat's asshole.

[crickets]

90. Thanks for that info

Excellent stuff! Unfortunately, the link doesn't work.

Yes, I've seen one too.

Same here. I have no idea what it was, but I know what it wasn't. <insert Blue Book list here>

[Duppers]

95. here's the correct link to info

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/10/presidential-en.html

Sorry about that.

[crickets]

103. NP. Thanks! Bookmarked. -nt

[Quixote1818]

39. This is already up on Drudge. This will certanly NOT help him. nt

[mvd]

45. Won't hurt him either IMO

especially if it's on a RW site.

[Quixote1818]

104. Well, then I guess he will stay at 2% then. nt

[Canuckistanian]

43. He saw an object. That was flying. And he couldn't identify it.

Isn't that the definition of a UFO?

[mvd]

49. That's what I think

The idea that he saw something he can't explain is true and rational.

[TheDoorbellRang]

72. Surprised he didn't mention St. Ronny saw a UFO, too

Reagan also made decisions based on astrology. I would imagine Dennis would make decisions based on fact-finding reports -- just a guess.

[lovuian]

78. Love him

:woohoo: Dennis
There is quite a UFO following out there and he got some votes

[New Earth]

84. his response was hilarious

I think it will help him more than hurt him. We will see I guess...

[fenriswolf]

94. i think the only way the ufo thing could have hurt kucinich was

if he tried to deny it. the fact that he did say it, and he embraced it even though some people might think him even more odd because of it speaks loads about his charecter.

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. Richardson told Tweety the Government is COVERING UP UFO INFORMATION! He KNOWS they exist

and the Gov. should just tell the truth about it...release all the info they have about them. Tweety's mouth dropped to the floor and was astounded that Richardson also believed in UFOs. Dennis is not alone in this anymore.

This was the interview after the debate tonight.

[Duppers]

98. yep

the TimesOnline article I quoted above mentioned him too.

[emlev]

106. got video? I'd like to see that

[Mojorabbit]

110. I want to see that too! eom

[gateley]

92. I've always liked and stood up for Russert, but after tonight, he's on my list.

Not only did they give my candidate ANY time (he had less time than any of the others), he asked that question of Kucinich. That had no place in the debate and it just seemed mean spirited.

You go, Dennis!

[Duppers]

99. sorry. gateley.

but Russert has been a RW tool for a long time now.

[gateley]

107. So I've heard and now I'm inclined to agree. :-)

[Disturbed]

102. Russert is a RWing Shill paid by General Electric Defense

Contractor.

“You know, Tim, you used to be such a rabid Democrat when you worked for Pat Moynihan,” said the executive. “But now that you’ve gotten a glimpse of who’s handing out the money in this business, you’ve become quite the Jaycee. Were you wrong about everything you used to believe so strongly?”
“I still believe,” Russert said, leaning across the table. “I believe in everything I ever did. But I also know that I never would have become moderator on Meet The Press if my employers were uncomfortable with me. And, given the amount of money at stake, millions of dollars, I don’t blame them. This is business.”
The executive agreed. “But are you concerned about losing yourself? You know, selling out?”
Russert pounded the table. “Integrity is for paupers!”

Dennis Kucinich is a man of integrity, although he may not be a pauper.

[gateley]

108. I totally agree - Dennis IS a man of great integrity. I think very highly of him. nt

[RiverStone]

100. the M$M will pitch him shit, tho I think he did great!

He simply stays true to his word - thats Dennis!

And I belive in UFO's anyway!

[LWolf]

117. Anyone out there still think

he might be strong-armed into apologizing for his recent "bush may be mentally ill" remark?

I don't think so.

John Edwards did a good job last night of hammering the "tell the truth" message.

Dennis Kucinich modeled that for us, being the honesty we want to see.

[spanone]

120. he won imho

[Phoonzang]

125. Dennis is nuts because

he COULDN'T have seen what he saw. I mean any rational mind would tell you that what you SEE isn't actually there if it's something that doesn't fit into the dominant worldview. His mind should have filtered it out because such things just CAN'T exist. It was just a hallucination caused by power lines. Or maybe it was a high-flying seed pod or swamp gas. He should have just lied about he saw. He's just a woo woo and a *insert derogatory skeptic term here*

[bdamomma]

127. can we all put this UFO stuff aside.

Dennis focused on Impeachment, restoring the Constitution and also hammered on the rhetoric of the media regarding Iran, which I consider was needed. He was the only one who mentioned the media needs to stop drumbeating Iran for *'s agenda.

[MuseRider]

128. Saint Ronnie of the Reagan

saw one so why can't Dennis Kucinich without being laughed off the planet? St. Ronnie! No better response than that to some who will now chuckle about it.

People believe and worship God. It is faith, personal experience. There is no difference. Both have never been proven to exist yet DK only saw a UFO he never claimed he worshiped it.

[Carni]

131. And everyone on stage but Richardson smirked like he was a nut

First of all what a bullshit question from bug eyed lizard Tim Russert--I would just ONCE like to see him lob those types of snarky interrogations at the Republicans instead of kissing their asses.

With that said...what is so God damned tongue in cheek about UFOs?

I guess I don't get the joke?

There have been UFO sightings for many MANY years--does that mean they are flying saucers full of little green men? Of course not, but there clearly are OBJECTS which fly or people wouldn't report such sightings. SOMEONE is paying to have these crafts in the air (whether it be our government, or someone else's--or the dreaded ETs, which I doubt)

I guess my question is; if we as taxpayers are paying for secret crafts to fly around invading air space, scaring pilots and passengers, residents of rural areas etc--then why the hell aren't we allowed to know about these projects, even if it's in a vague sense? (we're paying for them!)

If these sightings ARE crafts from other countries -- then what the hell are they doing in our airspace? Again we have the right to know what's up!

Our lovely government has no problem trying to scare us with tales of suitcase nukes etc etc so why can't a reasonable adult discussion take place on the topic of UFO sightings?

Why all the secrecy?

Quite frankly I admire both Kucinich and Richardson for having enough curiousity to want to get to the bottom of what all the hype is and now I will put my soap box away... but it really pisses me off to see the whole attitude today of *Kucinich must be a nut* both on cable and in many cases right here on DU because of his curiousity as to what the deal is with UFO sightings.

I admire the man for having the guts to at least express an opinion!

[Nimrod2005]

136. You must be crazy too..............nt

[Fox Mulder]

141. I just don't understand how people can just come out and say UFOs aren't real.

[lovuian]

142. There was a Cleveland OH UFO taped during Peace Protest

http://youtube.com/watch?v=us0WHJe8vss

This happened in Dennis's district