****** Official Debate Thread 6?!? ******

[helderheid]

5 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2170308&mesg_id=2170308

[Bluebear]

1. 6!

[tekisui]

2. Okay, and thanks.

[spooky3]

3. Edwards did well with his 30 second "lightning round"

[Mass]

10. Him, Biden. and Dodd were impressive on education. The other ones not so much.

[Spiffarino]

44. Hillary made good points, then sabotaged them a little

The "(insert thing here) that I proposed..." she stuck into every point squelched her impressive ideas.

She's getting edgy and it's not one of her better debates. Even though I don't support, hell...I want all of them to look good!

[helderheid]

11. i REALLY oops caps lock I really like him!

[ellisonz]

4. Dodd: Single most important issue is education.

FUCKING RIGHT!

[Blackhatjack]

5. Edwards nailed it --there are 2 different school systems...

[me b zola]

12. jinx

:)

[Mass]

17. Actually, he nailed it because he had a program, not because he used his stump speech.

Good for him to show he knew what he was speaking about.

[Mass]

75. delete

[me b zola]

6. Edwards nails the problem with education...

There are two systems--one for the wealthy, and one that is underfunded.

[zabet]

7. Whew!!

Thanks!

[xiamiam]

8. biden good answers on education..16 yr minimum..nt

[goodgd_yall]

23. On that, I just thought *ugh*

Poor kids

[Catchawave]

9. tks hh....moving fast tonight :)

[helderheid]

13. no shit!

:hi: thanks!

[xiamiam]

15. thanks..we all appreciate..nt

[helderheid]

21. don't thank me - I LOVE watching the debates with DU!

[Renew Deal]

31. Me too

:pals: This is my first for this season.

[bdamomma]

38. me too.

[Neshanic]

14. A break for the WalMart executives to breath into a bag.

[ShortnFiery]

16. ...

:rofl:

[Renew Deal]

19. lol

:rofl:

[Catchawave]

30. LOL !

:rofl:

[helderheid]

57. !!! DUZY !!!

[Blackhatjack]

Edwards is so right ... you have to give all the children the same educational opportunity...

The idea of a national teaching university is a great idea. And Edwards is known for trying out ideas, like his 'college for everyone.'

He is right about the nutritional angle to education, as well as poverty.

[Renew Deal]

25. National University seems fishy

But if it could be tied to online programs with local curriculum's it could work.

[Colobo]

29. That National University will never happen.

[pinto]

18. Kick.

[Colobo]

20. Edwards having a great night. Obama is doing very well. Clinton started strong

however, that 2nd round shook her up a bit. Biden doing well. The rest, well...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

22. Oh, goody, the lightening round is coming up, according to Brian Williams..

What lovely prizes could our contestants win?

MKJ

[flvegan]

24. Is it just me, or are our "lesser runners" making our frontrunners look like sellout amateurs?

I give Edwards credit. He's done very well tonight. Otherwise...I'm not looking at Obama nor Hillary.

Just sayin'.

[bicentennial_baby]

28. Ayup....

Indeedy :rofl:

:hi:

[flvegan]

46. bi_baby

good response to this question, eh?

[Labors of Hercules]

33. yep, you right. nt

[xiamiam]

34. my thoughts as well..biden and kucinich..edwards third..nt

[Neshanic]

37. No, it's not you. I am thinking the same things.

[bdamomma]

79. they are all good, but Obama and Hillary are flat tonite

I like hearing from Edwards, Biden, Dennis and Dodd. Richardson is ok too.

[bdamomma]

26. thanks again helderheid, we are almost finished.

[Blackhatjack]

27. Edwards used to speak for hours before a jury without a single note...

... he has a quick mind, and does not forget anything. He would be a good match for any of the Repubs.

[TahitiNut]

32. *** Debate Talk Clock *** (Reload/refresh as needed.)

[goodgd_yall]

40. That's bad when the moderator has more time than the candidates (some of them)

[Renew Deal]

41. Biden is getting screwed

[bdamomma]

131. I only wish everyone would get equal time.

oh whew, Dodd and Hillary were at it!!!

[tekisui]

43. That's disgraceful.

[TahitiNut]

55. Yup. Clinton got more time than three others combined.

Nauseating.

[rucky]

35. How tough is it to give every candidate equal time?

without a "lightning round"

this isn't the freaking Family Feud.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

36. edwards> Biden> Dodd > Obama> Clinton> Richardson. (DK doing good, but kind of in his own game)

[cuke]

39. review

edwards doing the best. laying off attacks, pushing himself and doing well, the only one on education who didn't make me snore
hrc: doing well, not getting fazed by attacks. could be more sedate
obama: doing better, still not doing much for himself
biden and dodd are doing good job of putting themselves out there. aggressive without being negative
richardson doing better than usual but I get the impression he'd be just as happy taking a nap
dk: still dennis


they're back

[flvegan]

42. Quick question...Obama...has he addressed the bigotry issue

with his campaign?

I missed the first part. Wondering if he spoke to the anti-gay bigot angle of his tourmate.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

45. That wont come up (Not really a MSM type story)

[flvegan]

52. Am I wrong in thinking that this just isn't right?

[ellisonz]

68. Nope.

[Renew Deal]

54. I agree

The real world doesn't care. It's red meat for DU. Shrewd by Obama.

[flvegan]

65. "Red meat"?? BULLFUCKINGSHIT.

Valid fucking point, regardless. If the real world doesn't care, then fine, but to say it's fucking "shrewd" to dodge one's own bigotry? Fuck him for it.

[Bluebear]

70. "Shrewd by Obama."--- Marvelous, excuse bigotry as a strategy

[Renew Deal]

87. It's not an excuse. It's reality.

And I'm not a Obama supporter.

[flvegan]

130. I guess you'll leave it at that.

Fucking shameful.

[cuke]

50. no

[pinto]

47. Good question about health care. People choosing not to go for MD's.

[pinto]

78. Richardson had the only concrete answer on this one.

Adjust Medicare reimbursement, a break on student loans to doc's.

[silverweb]

48. I'm really proud of ALL our candidates.

Aside from some differences in emphasis and delivery, I think they're all pretty much on the same page.

I haven't changed my preferences, but I'll be very proud to enthusiastically support whoever wins the nomination.

[TahitiNut]

49. $40,000 bucks a year?

Biden's been pricing the Tony schools. Elitists.

[Renew Deal]

69. I'm not sure if you're kidding or not

But he's right. http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/financial-aid/costs.cfm

And even underestimating. http://uwnews.org/article.asp?articleid=25715

[rwheeler31]

51. No fences, abortion, or toture, whats up with that?

Good debate

[Colobo]

53. So far, Edwards > Obama > Biden > Dood > Clinton, the rest...

[MadBadger]

56. I agree with that interpretation the most.

[ShortnFiery]

59. Yes, Biden "coming to life" really surprised me tonight.

[MadBadger]

62. It shouldnt

Hes always been very passionate.

[goodgd_yall]

86. agreed

[Bluebear]

64. Me too! He must have chugged a couple Red Bulls.

I liked it.

[ChiciB1]

72. EDWARDS, Biden & Dodd.... Obama Close, But Can't Put My Finger

on what it is! I do like him, but he doesn't come across for me!

[Spiffarino]

176. I liked Obama until the first Iraq funding vote

He and Hillary waffled until the very end, played close to the vest, then voted with progressives when it seemed safe.

They're far too calculating. I wish they would look at tapes from the Kennedy-Nixon debates. Kennedy was humble, sharp, and stuck to the questions he was asked. Conversely, Nixon played it like a modern politician and came off looking like he was hiding something.

[ellisonz]

58. Obama: Get banks and middlemen out of college loans.

[cuke]

77. Clinton policy in the 90's

[ellisonz]

172. And now she's trying to *destroy America*

[jfkjunior2004]

60. After Tonight

For me personally its an Edwards Biden race in iowa.....dont care what anyone else says!!!!!!

[Catchawave]

71. Those are my two picks :)

[jfkjunior2004]

94. I think

those two on the same ticket may be unbeatable....

[SayitAintSo]

84. Hope you are right ....

That would be interesting

[rodeodance]

i am for edwards for the primary -may lean to Richardson

[Blackhatjack]

61. Edwards is right on the nursing shortage... we have large bonuses paid to lure nurses here

[Spiffarino]

97. I work in a hospital (not a nurse, tho)

On top of paying our nurses well, my hospital pays nice bonuses to nurses who stay for a year or more. What's more, it also pays a bonus to any employee who recruits a nurse. This is rapidly rising to crisis level all over the nation.

[bdamomma]

187. nursing is getting to be a crisis everywhere in the world.

[Spiffarino]

63. Good points about insurance, Hillary and Barack, but...

...they're the damned problem!

Disappointing that more of them don't support universal single-payer healthcare. Dennis is the only one who comes out forcefully on that point, bless him.

[rodeodance]

66. Hil will go after health insurance companies for pre-existing conditions

[cuke]

67. These short answers bore me

they encourage canned responses

DK just became the highlight of the debate. He's interesting from second 1

[tekisui]

Why isn't DK electable, again?

[helderheid]

76. TV

:mad:

[xiamiam]

82. people say he doesnt look the part...he sure has a mind , guts & passion..nt

[bdamomma]

190. I would love to see him as President he would kick corporations ass!!!

the guy is for the people, but when do we ever vote for our best interests. Plus if he had Hillary's money!!!!

[flvegan]

138. Because the msm and big corpa-lection has told us so.

[Neshanic]

83. It's absurd, these "the world in 30 seconds".

[ShortnFiery]

102. America - Dumbed down M$M "Sound Byte Nation"

[pinto]

91. I think Richardson had the only specific proposal on the issue.

[tech3149]

73. Edwards is right about nursing

The best hospitals I ever worked in had the best nursing staff. All the other points are important, but to me it shows that he sees deeper into the system than the rest.

[goodgd_yall]

74. Air travel? what a non-issue

[cuke]

85. He's probably gonna get an upgrade for asking that

[goodgd_yall]

90. lol

[Colobo]

The fact that Obama is able to respond to such a bizarre question

has surprised me.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

80. presidential-JoeB, likeable/trustworthy-BO, progressive-JE, smart-(teachers pet) HRC

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

That's the way I see it too. nt

[Mass]

81. What did Biden do to MSNBC? He is barely asked questions?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

88. And he's by far the most entertaining

[babylonsister]

92. Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich-it's almost like they're not there.

Very unbalanced debate imo. It's all about Clinton.

[Mass]

105. Yes, but Biden has had the least time according to the clock.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2170594&mesg_id=2170691

[SayitAintSo]

107. It's a shame too - He is so experienced and wise

And easy on the ears ( and the eyes...) Gee I made a rhyme!

:bounce:

[bdamomma]

177. I like listening to Biden.

I wish they had a different set up for debates. Not enough time to let them finish an answer.

[Bluebear]

89. 30 second lightning round. The world's future reduced to a game show.

[rucky]

96. Wait until they spin the big wheel. n/t

[cuke]

136. It's filled with insects and snakes

the candidates have to see how long they can stay in there as it spins

[rucky]

191. Which, by the way, is NOT torture.

when it's done right.

[Bluebear]

.

[Catchawave]

98. New Rule: the question shalt not be longer than the answer !

[cuke]

186. They all were. Even the UFO question

I hate those fuckers. No wonder I don't watch them

[MadBadger]

100. Its the only way to deal with a variety of issues in one debate with many candidates

[Labors of Hercules]

103. nod. Annoying. nt

[Neshanic]

93. Russert runs to Hillary again for question.

[oldgrowth]

95. Talk Clock time! link

http://chrisdodd.com/talkclock/philly

[cuke]

99. HRC; Drivers license for undocumented aliens

NY has to deal with *'s failure to deal with comprehensive immigration reform

asking all dems now - Dodd no - it's privilige (no it's not) for citizens

dodd and clinton getting into it

clinton - not the best thing to have to do, but we want these people to come out of the shadows

[DURHAM D]

181. That Dodd "privilege" thing is stupid.

I guess they don't have that many illegals in his state - cost of living is too high.

[cuke]

192. I like that she refers to "undocumented workers"

[tekisui]

101. Does Russert know this isn't MTP with Hillary as this guest for the hour?

[Stinky The Clown]

113. Gotcha Cha Cha ...... Wutta fuckwad.

[ShortnFiery]

114. This is Bullshit, HRC is THE WHOLE STORY! Talking all the time. :(

[Bluebear]

104. Clinton: There needs to be federal action on immigration! - yeah, big emergency, Senator.

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

106. Hillary equivocating again. She's so full of shit. Flip Flopped in 2 minutes

lol

[rucky]

126. Edwards just called it. n/t

[rucky]

108. Um...WTF?!

[RebelSansCause]

109. hillary is stupid... and Dodd just stuck his foot in his mouth, hillary was right and got scared

so she reversed herself

[ShortnFiery]

127. Dodd made a hell-of-a lotta sense! Now Edwards is Clarifying for Dodd.

[RebelSansCause]

167. UFOs? people believe in GOD, why not life besides us, and now they just asked halloween lol BO

[Duppers]

188. UFO spotting by Giuliani, Reagan, Carter. Others believe.....

October 30, 2007
Top Eight Presidential Encounters of the Third Kind

1. Dennis Kucinich has felt a connection:
Writes Shirley Maclaine of her old friend: "He had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there. Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for ten minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind."

2. Rudy Giuliani has a strategy in case of an alien invasion:
"Of all the things that can happen in this world, we'll be prepared for that, yes we will. We'll be prepared for anything that happens."

3. Bill Richardson is determined to uncover the Roswell mystery:
Answering questions at a townhall meeting Friday, a Dell employee asked Richardson about the 1947 incident in which many people still believe a flying saucer landed near the eastern New Mexico town.
I've been in government a long time, I've been in the cabinet, I've been in the Congress and I've always felt that the government doesn't tell the truth as much as it should on a lot of issues," said Richardson, who is governor of New Mexico.

4. Ronald Reagan spotted a UFO from his plane window
I was in a plane last week when I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, 'Have you ever seen anything like that?' He was shocked and he said, 'Nope.' And I said to him: 'Let's follow it!' We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it. But we didn't file a report on the object because for a long time they considered you a nut if you saw a UFO.

5. Jimmy Carter's UFO sighting prompted him to run for President
"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs, Carter said at a Southern Governors Conference a few years ago. "I've seen one myself. It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon.. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. I think it was a light beckoning me to run in the California primary. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information that this country has about UFO sightings available to the public."

6. John F. Kennedy incorporated alien threat into his defence plan
The US Airforce assures me that UFO's pose no threat to National Security.

7. Harry S. Truman put great thought into the mechanics behind UFOs
I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth.

8. Gerald Ford opened up the floor for extra-terrestrial debate
No doubt, you have noted the recent flurry of newspaper stories about unidentified flying objects. I have taken special interest in these accounts because many of the latest reported sightings have been in my home state of Michigan... Because I think there may be substance to some of these reports and because I believe the American people are entitled to a more thorough explanation than has been given them by the Air Force to date, I am proposing that either the Science and Astronautics Committee or the Armed Services Committee of the House schedule hearings on the subject of UFOs and invite testimony from both the executive branch of the Government and some of the persons who claim to have seen UFOs.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/10/presidential-en.html

[helderheid]

110. 7 here 7 HERE BRIGHT SHINY 7 HERE!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2170594&mesg_id=2170594

It's HUGH!!!

[tekisui]

125. That links to number 6.

[Catchawave]

Links back to 6......LOL !

[Gregorian]

135. I'm stuck in a time warp.

That's thread six. Helpppppp.

[Blackhatjack]

111. the rules do not apply to Hillary...

[Bluebear]

112. So 30 seconds doesn't apply to Senator Clinton?

[babylonsister]

122. Nope. Nothing applies to her. The word 'teflon' is scaring me and

sounds all too familiar.

[ShortnFiery]

139. She stepped all over herself just now. HRC ain't no Big Dawg.

[billyoc]

115. Hillary rambles on during the lightning round.

:eyes:

[rucky]

119. They reset the clock twice for her. n/t

[Spiffarino]

128. That was bad, but Barack was embarrassing

These are the front-runners? Cripes.

[AlCzervik]

116. Lou Dobbs is crapping i his depends right about now.

[spooky3]

117. hahah!

[Renew Deal]

123. Lou Dobbs or Chris Dodd?

[AlCzervik]

137. Dobbs, drivers licenses for his favorite group.

[ecstatic]

124. lmao nt

[Gregorian]

118. What the hell are they talking about? The world is melting, and they talk about illegal immigrants.

What garbage.

[ecstatic]

120. uh oh. nail meet coffin. Noooo Clinton noooo

the driver license idea is not something she should cling on to.

[Renew Deal]

134. And she just flip flopped within 2 minutes. It's amazing.

[Spiffarino]

121. Wait...a real DEBATE??

This whole driver's license thing has turned into a real back and forth! :applause:

[Neshanic]

129. "Send roses to Hillary now, put love Elliot on the card!"

[SayitAintSo]

132. Edwards just nailed Hill .. Obama pilling on !!!!!

[goodgd_yall]

141. For changing her view within 2 minutes right there on stage n/t

[Renew Deal]

159. It's the most spectacular flip flop in the history of flip flops

:wtf:

[SayitAintSo]

146. WTF ? UFO's and Shirley McClain ....

[tridim]

133. Dodd really likes to use the word "here"

My 6th grade social studies teacher did the same thing. :)

[Renew Deal]

140. Obama supports Spitzers idea. He's done.

:hi:

[sjdnb]

142. Only one on the debate I kind of trust ...

is Joe Biden.

The rest of them are playing political chess with our future to achieve their own ambitions.

It really sucks when Americans are reduced to voting for the least of two evils.

[lutefisk]

156. Biden really impressed me. Everyone else is a bit frantic..n/t

[calmblueocean]

162. I like Biden, too. I think he'd be hard for the Republicans to beat!

I wish he was more popular.

[bdamomma]

189. Biden has been around for awhile, I like his demeanor cool,

and knows his stuff, if not the Presidency, I can see him as Sec. of State. He is very diplomatic.

[cuke]

143. DK gets a serious question about UFO's

EAT ME TIMMY!!!!!

[rucky]

144. Sweet Jesus. Russert's asking the UFO question.

[ShortnFiery]

151. Russert - Peter Principle in action.

What a worthless lump of flesh that has ever drawn in air. :eyes:

[BootinUp]

145. Why is Russert wasting our time? UFOS ???????

[Gregorian]

147. Now they've asked Kucinich about UFO's. Simply disgusting.

They couldn't be more obvious. But Dennis turns it around to jab Bush. Bravo!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

148. Kucinich saw a UFO? Sweeeet!

[Renew Deal]

155. Kucinich just brought up anal probes.

:evilgrin:

j/k

[goodgd_yall]

149. Here's the dumbass question period

[rucky]

150. Obama has a nice, dry sense of humor. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

152. Very good close for obama

[sjdnb]

193. If by 'close' you mean

slammed the door shut on his chance to be nominated by the party.

Nothing new, nothing bold, just the same old, same old. But, without the 'same old' type of experience, knowledge, or intelligence that would indicate he is in the least bit competent to assume the office of President of the United States.

But, of course, we all know that is what matters the least in this farce of a democratic election that has become little more than a beauty/money contest.

[jenmito]

153. Obama-I DO know there's life here on earth...

and that's who I want to take care of first. Round of applause.

[Catchawave]

154. Obama: Will take of life on earth first .....great response!!

[ShortnFiery]

158. Yes, Obama wasn't on fire, but that was a good "one liner." Maybe the best?

[mondo joe]

163. He did very well there, and knew it. I'd smile too if I were him.

[Neshanic]

157. Obama can't say if he thinks there is life on another planet? WTF?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

160. Edwards is a nark!

[ShortnFiery]

168. He also wants to play NARC. LOL Sorry

:blush: I don't think Edwards has thought this issue through. My guess. :-)

[goodgd_yall]

161. Dodd is right on marijuana

[ShortnFiery]

174. Yes, he's the candidate I'd most like "to party" with.

:hippie: :party:

[SayitAintSo]

164. Dodd just got my vote ... wrong answer John !!!!

:hippie:

[Spiffarino]

182. Yeah, he pissed me off on that issue.

And I say this as an Edwards fan. Dodd had it right, and I'm going to send him another check (that'll make three).

[mrreowwr_kittty]

165. Yay for Dodd! Decriminalizing pot.

What's up with the others who raised their hands halfway?

[Steepler0t]

169. Bah, Obama did too

Edwards, Obama just lost quit a few points there

[mrreowwr_kittty]

184. I know! It's a lot more popular a position than they think. nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

166. Biden goes NUTS. (vote winning style)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

170. Edwards-Obama tie > Biden > Dodd > Clinton > DK > Richardson

[bdamomma]

171. on a scale of 1 to 10 how was the debate

I give it a 8

[Graybeard]

180. Candidates:10 Moderators: minus zero

Russert and Williams were the big losers. Candidates had to deal with a very poor format.

[Neshanic]

173. Edwards by a mile! If Gore does not run, I am seriously thinkng Edwards.

[ShortnFiery]

178. I'm seriously agreeing with you Neshanic ... and hope that Obama throws his support behind

Edwards before the onset of the primaries. Then an Edwards/Obama ticket could take US (The Democratic Party) all the way! :hi:

[jfkjunior2004]

175. I dont have cable

Who has msnbc declared the winner?????

[ShortnFiery]

185. It's tacitly Edwards (all the talking heads are complementing).

[pinto]

179. Wrap up thread is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2171094

[oldgrowth]

183. Time clock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!