Kucinich rides wave of improving poll results into Presidential

[slipslidingaway]

debate

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/newsroom/kucinich-rides-wave-of-improving-poll-results-into-presidential-debate/

PHILADELPHIA – "Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich goes into tonight’s Democratic Presidential debate riding a wave of positive polling results that put him in fourth place nationally, second in a major California straw poll, and leading among declared Democrats in an online survey sponsored by Democracy for America.

His strongest showing to date is in the ongoing DFA Pulse Poll, which has drawn more than 100,000 respondents in the past week. Among declared Democratic candidates, Kucinich is leading with more than 24% of the vote as of noon today. Senator Barack Obama is second with about 18%, and former Senator John Edwards is currently in third place with about 15%.

In New Hampshire, site of the nation’s first Presidential primary, Kucinich is tied for fourth place with New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson with 7%, only seven points behind Edwards, according to last week’s Rasmussen Report. Also, the Survey Center at the University of New Hampshire just released polling data showing Kucinich and Sen. Hillary Clinton gaining momentum, while support for the other Democratic candidates appears to have peaked and may be in decline in New Hampshire

Last week, in the largest Democratic straw poll in California, Kucinich finished a strong second to Edwards. Official results from the San Mateo County Democratic Party showed that Edwards received 29% of the total votes cast, Kucinich received just under 24%, and Obama and Clinton came in third and fourth, with 22.5% and 16.8% respectively. The other Democratic candidates were all in low single digits.

In a Zogby America poll earlier this month, Kucinich was fourth, six points behind Edwards, and ahead of Richardson and Sen. Joe Biden. The Cook Political Report/RT Strategies poll last month also had Kucinich tied with Richardson, and ahead of Biden and Sen. Chris Dodd.

Kucinich’s success is even more striking when viewed on the context of campaign war chests. He has raised about $2.1million this year. Edwards has raised more than $30 million, Richardson $18.7 million, Dodd $13.6 million, and Biden $8.2 million."

[book_worm]

1. Go Dennis!!

If Dennis were to come in third in NH it would shock the "pundits." It is possible if Edwards loses Iowa that he may drop out and I think a number of his supporters would go to DK.

[slipslidingaway]

7. Rasmussen-N.H.- Kucinich 7%....

Not sure Edwards would drop out after Iowa, hopefully Dennis can continue to increase his numbers in NH.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3652013

New Hampshire Dem Primary
Saturday, October 27, 2007

Hillary Clinton 38%

Barack Obama 22%

John Edwards 14%

Bill Richardson 7%

Dennis Kucinich 7%

Some other candidate 6%


New Hampshire Dem Primary
Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Hillary Clinton 40%

Barack Obama 17%

John Edwards 14%

Bill Richardson 11%

Joe Biden 5%

Some other candidate 14%

[Individualist]

2. Watch out party machine - here come the grassroots!

:woohoo:

[slipslidingaway]

8. I sure hope so :) n/t

[polichick]

3. So glad to know people are waking up...

<>

[slipslidingaway]

9. Yes and I really need to order a few shirts! n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

4. I think people are wising up to Barack and Johnny.

Grassroots upport for true 'other voices' will soon elevate Joe, Dennis, and Bill past these two media darlings.

[slipslidingaway]

10. There is always hope :) n/t

[MadBadger]

11. Did you just call John edwards a media darling?

Are we watching the same campaign?

[hootinholler]

5. Yes, but he could really use $50 or even $10

This is awesome news!

-Hoot

[slipslidingaway]

12. Most definitely, signed up for monthly contributions and then

supplement when we can :)

[mikelgb]

6. kick ass

[slipslidingaway]

14. Hoping for a more fair distribution of time at tonight's debate. n/t

[bigwillq]

13. Yay DK!

:bounce:

[Truth2Tell]

15. K & R

How high do you think his numbers would need to go to merit a mention by the New York Times?

[slipslidingaway]

20. Most of the MSCM do not want to mention him because he

challenges the administration and corporations on issues that the other candidates will not dare mention :(

I even turned Olbermann off one night when he sat there and agreed with a comment from a guest that Dennis was far left/way out there. If he has been on Olbermann then I missed the show.

Finally have my first ever bumper sticker on my car for Kucinich, maybe that's a bit embarrassing. I've always considered myself more in the middle when it comes to politics and never had as much time when my kids were younger, but somehow I feel the middle has shifted too far right and they gave us a new label :(

[Truth2Tell]

43. I'm about to put a Kucinch sticker on my car also. n/t

We are the new majority. The media just hasn't figured it out yet. :)

[mudesi]

16. Just support him. HE WILL WIN (nm)

[kimmerspixelated]

17. Occasionally I think I want Dennis even more than Gore!

The man gives me hope that things could REALLY change!

[slipslidingaway]

21. Yes, there is no other candidate who cares about every person

IMO, there are many examples of this that I've listed before.

How does one open up diplomatic talks when they wrote an article with the title 'Hit Iran Where It Hurts'

or when they did not see the destruction in Lebanon and only visited Israel after '06

or when they speak of the need to get tough and turn up the heat on Iraq when the civilians have hardly any electricity and the temperature is 120

or when the unions write a letter to Congress asking for help as the draft Iraq oil law is made a benchmark in our funding bill.

So I do believe that Dennis would be seen by the people of other nations as having at least cared and spoken out for all people instead of favoring some groups.

[Renew Deal]

18. Good for Dennis.

Imagine a Kucinich v. Paul matchup. It would be the most substantive election in 50 years.

[slipslidingaway]

22. What a debate that would be and BTW I have seen only one

other bumper sticker in my area and that was for Paul. There are many Republicans who are truly disgusted with what Bush and friends have done, hence Paul's fund raising and grass roots support.

[Basileus Basileon]

19. Attention all leading candidates: this is a message.

Hi, remember us? We're the party base. We're pretty irritated that the top tier of candidates is too craven to talk about ending the war in Iraq, ending the era of uneven health coverage, and ending our oil dependency. We're so irritated, in fact, we're starting to support the little socialist gnome who sees UFOs, simply because he is more reasonable than the Big Three. Let that sink in. Your base--the people who you are going to be going door-to-door, getting out the vote, putting up signs, setting up booths at fairs--these people are supporting Dennis Kucinich, not because they love him so much (or else they would have from the beginning) but because we wanted to support one of the Big Three, and you're turning us off.

Do with this information what you will.

[slipslidingaway]

24. What a nice message...

"We're so irritated, in fact, we're starting to support the little socialist gnome who sees UFOs..."

:sarcasm:

Did you forget the sarcasm tag?


Kucinich support is for our rights under the Constitution that were given away under the Patriot Act and the MCA and against wasteful military spending and aggressive wars and using the money to make our country safe by not making more enemies. And to provide health care, education, take care of the poor and elderly, rebuild our infrastructure...remember all that money spent on war! Reduce our dependency on other nations, increase our manufacturing base again esp. through new environmental technology etc.

[Basileus Basileon]

26. You have to understand that's how most people see him.

Well, maybe not in those words, but he's consistently the most-ruled-out Democratic candidate, and he has the highest negatives of any of them. He gets his ass brutally kicked in head-to-heads by any of the viable Republicans, and most people perceive him to be too left-wing for their tastes. His personal likeability ratings, if I recall correctly (I may be wrong here) are pretty atrocious as well. He's not well loved by most Democrats.

Plus, well, he is more or less a socialist (not necessarily a bad thing), there was that business about him seeing a UFO, and he does look like a gnome.

And even still, people are finding him more attractive than the rest of the field. I'm considering voting for him in the primaries, just because he's the only one willing to talk straight. While I think Kucinich has too many personal negatives, I would read his support as a clear message to the Democratic party that their base is beginning to get restless with centrism.

[slipslidingaway]

27. And repeating the kind of remarks you made accomplishes

what? I confess that I let that language influence me in 2004, I'll not make the same mistake again.

All candidates have negatives, an error in judgement before rushing our nation to war with resulting casualties both here and abroad and also increased enemies ranks near the top for me.


This is just an example of one issue, you'll have to go the original post for the links as some of them will be broke in this copy and paste. This is about Edwards, it was not just his vote on 10/11/02.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3660383&mesg_id=3661709


The 9/5/02 Intelligence Committee Meeting with George Tenet...

He was wrong on more than just his vote, I posted some of the following information to several of Edwards' supporters, each time the answer is the same, silence.

Edwards knew the intelligence information was not up to date in early September, still he gave powerful speeches on why we needed to remove Saddam and why we had to hurry with the resolution. He never read the full NIE that was hastily produced, he proudly cosponsored the IWR, voted against any amendment that attempted to limit the authority in the IWR and then voted for the final bill. A bill which not only gave Bush broad authority to go to war, but also delegated his duty as a member of Congress to declare war. I still do not think he is telling the whole story

So which error does his apology cover, it appears that Edwards would like it to cover several errors in judgement. The new motto seems to be 'trust me, I apologized'


At the 9/5/02 meeting the members found out that there was no current intelligence report on Iraq WMD's, Edwards should have been aware of that fact since he was on the Committee. Several members... Durbin, Graham, Feinstein and Levin all wrote letters pressing for an NIE.


Knowing the lack of current information what did Edwards do...


Edwards gave a speech on 9/12/02 on the Senate floor saying we know Saddam has WMD's and we should not wait to remove him.

IRAQI DICTATOR MUST GO
(Senate - September 12, 2002)
http://web.archive.org/web/20021214041757/edwards.senat...



Edwards wrote an op ed on 9/19/02 for the Washington Post saying we must act quickly on any resolution.

http://www.usembassy.it/file2002_09/alia/a2091910.htm
"Congress Must Be Clear John Edwards
Quick Action Will Ensure that Politics Plays no Part in the Debate About Iraq."


On 10/7/02 Edwards gave a speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies...

America's Role in the World
http://www.cfr.org/publication/5441 /

"...This week, the U.S. Senate will have an historic debate on the most difficult decision a country ever makes: whether to send American soldiers into harm's way to defend our nation. The President will address these issues in his speech tonight.

My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I am a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution we're currently considering.

Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies -- including our vital ally, Israel..."


http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2...

"In September 2002, in the midst of a debate about taking military action against Iraq, Congress, specifically several Members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), requested that the Intelligence Community (IC) produce an National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs. The IC had not produced an in-depth, comprehensive, coordinated IC assessment of Iraq's WMD programs since the production of the December 2000 Intelligence Community (IC)Assessment, Iraq: Steadily Pursuing WMD Capabilities and had never produced an NIE devoted to Iraq's WMD programs."


What I Knew Before the Invasion
By Bob Graham
Sunday, November 20, 2005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

"...At a meeting of the Senate intelligence committee on Sept. 5, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet was asked what the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) provided as the rationale for a preemptive war in Iraq. An NIE is the product of the entire intelligence community, and its most comprehensive assessment. I was stunned when Tenet said that no NIE had been requested by the White House and none had been prepared. Invoking our rarely used senatorial authority, I directed the completion of an NIE..."


Byrd Amdt. No. 4869, As Amended
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/r...

Byrd Amdt. No. 4868
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/r...

Durbin Amdt. No. 4865
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/r...

Levin Amdt. No. 4862
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/r...

[Basileus Basileon]

28. I don't think I should have to "watch my words"

for fear of harming DK's campaign. Nothing I said there was false, to the best of my knowledge. (By "negatives," I do not mean "things I disagree with," but rather "percentage of people who claim they dislike/would not vote for him.")

[Elidor]

29. I'm a Dennis fan and I understood you perfectly

For some people, there shall be no levity regarding their sacred cows. It was a good post, and worthy of its own rec.

[slipslidingaway]

30. We still have some free speech left, I think many people are

not even aware of him. Many times if he does get any press coverage he is marginalized for his being too short, not looking perfect etc. I believe you could have made the same point without perpetuating some less than ideal characteristics.

"the little socialist gnome who sees UFOs,"

[Basileus Basileon]

34. Well, that's why I used those words.

That's how most people see him. It's not fair to him, but it's how they see him, and that's sort of my point--despite his personal unlikeability among many Democrats, he's gaining support, simply on the strength of his ideas (and the mealy-mouthed centrism of the Big Three).

[BornagainDUer]

42. What a stupid thing to say. Shit "most people" haven't even heard of

him. The people running the polls never heard of him. People I talk to never heard of him. They are seeing him for the first time and they are responding positively.

[Jackpine Radical]

38. "Little socialist gnome who sees UFOs"

I for one, find great amusement in that line. I'll probly steal it. But then, the humorless PC crowd are always jumping in my shit around here too, just like is gonna happen to you. It's kinda like life on the Aspergers ward around here half the time. People seem incapable of evaluating things in their larger context. Sorta like the time I posted the announcement that Gore had been awarded a second Nobel--in Science--for inventing the Internet. Wow, for a while there I thought I was gonna be taken out & stoned. My only grasp on salvation was when JeffR gave me a DUzy for it.

Oh, yeah, I wonder if Dennis' wife picks up radio transmissions on her tongue stud.

There. Now I'm in the manure pile with you.

[marmar]

23. My ultimate fulfilled dream would be to have Kucinich vs. Ron Paul in the general....

.... just as a huge "F..k you, kiss our asses" to the political establishment.

(Of course Kooch crushes Paul in this scenario).

[slipslidingaway]

25. .....

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Kurovski]

31. K&R for The DK campaign.

:thumbsup:

[LWolf]

32. I love coming home to great news! n/t

[wildbilln864]

33. He cannot be bought!

He cannot be intimidated!
Kucinich/Edwards '08!
Go Dennis! :patriot:

[eridani]

35. Can I have an "Amen"? n/t

[soulcore]

36. AMEN!

Go Dennis!

And don't knock his UFO experience, LOTS of people (myself included) have seen strange things we can't explain.

[BornagainDUer]

40. It is so basic and yet so powerful. This country needs a guy like Dennis

badly.

[Pacifist Patriot]

37. A great place for my trip down memory lane this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3666927&mesg_id=3666927

[BornagainDUer]

39. YAAAAAAAAHOOOOOO! Just look at those stats. Dennis has

only raised less than one-tenth of the front-runner in this poll Edwards and he places second!!!!

Go baby Go!!!:bounce:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Swamp Rat]

41. Geaux Dennis!

:kick:

[BornagainDUer]

44. kick